Xbox One will be Number One in Sales

Dead Man said:
All I see in this post is someone with no friends to lend games to.
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Or someone with a disposable income to buy games with when he wants to and has adult friends that do the same. Semantics though. The doom and gloomers should wait till E3 or maybe until more facts are out on both, shit is getting tired.
 
With the disastrous press that Microsoft is getting for XBone, I wouldn't put it past Nintendo to announce another Nintendo Direct soon to dispel doubts about their game lineup and take advantage of the negativity surrounding XBone.

Iwata must be dancing through the halls of Nintendo and popping champagne after yesterday.

Suddenly, they might actually have a chance to claim some marketshare.
 
Dead Man said:
OP, if you had left out the part telling people what they were going to do, you might have made a post I would agree with. As it is, you sound like a prat. Yeah, it will probably sell very well. No, I won't be buying one.
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"You" doesn't mean you personally but, rather, the general gaming community that neogaf represents (majority of that community I meant, not everyone who reads this per se)
 
get him.

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Delusibeta said:
ITT: spot the Microsoft fanboy getting upset at people pointing out that Microsoft is making similar errors Sony did in launching the PS3, and expecting the same outcome.

Remind me, what is the definition of insanity?
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I remembered thinking how the PS3 would dominate just because of the sheer volume of PS2s, especially with the lopsided ratio in favor for them over the competition. And at least initially I was dead wrong, the fact they were at that height and fell badly, yet STILL got ahead just barely internationally is impressive. And likely doubly damning for Microsoft, because I suspect if they really did screw up badly enough here it's going to be more like when Sega plummeted, not Sony or Nintendo.
open_mouth_ said:
"You" doesn't mean you personally but, rather, the general gaming community that neogaf represents (majority of that community I meant, not everyone who reads this per se)
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Intentionally or not when you say "you" like that it gives the impression you are telling people what they are going to do. And most people don't really appreciate that, especially when it's something very much unnecessary for life like this!
 
harSon said:
None of that stuff is going to matter with the demographic we're talking about. The only reason Sony lost is they released at an absurd price point, were difficult to develop for and had their release date undercut by a year. Those are the reasons they lost. Unless Microsoft makes those same blunders, Microsoft's current North American/UK momentum is going to carry into the next generation. The fact that the Xbox One are going to be pushed as the go to systems for Madden and Call of Duty, alongside the fact that this same demographic of gamer is infatuated with Halo and Gears of War, is going to solidify that fact.

Price of entry for Xbox Live is not going to matter, peoples friends will be on Xbox Live and so will they as a result. Graphical superiority doesn't matter, especially if the initial visual fidelity of both platforms are comparable at launch. The fact that PSN may finally be comparable to Xbox Live, and at a lesser price point (free), is a non-issue. Xbox Live is currently synonymous with online gaming, and perception within this demographic is infinitely more valuable than facts.

At the end of the day, it's going to be about perception and name recognition, and as long as Microsoft's advertisement is on point, they're pretty much guaranteed to dominate this demographic.
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What's the perception between the PS4 and Xbox One in the media and online right now? What about the perception of Gears and Halo?

You're talking absolutes as if things don't change; Sony knows that better than anyone. They've righted the wrongs so far, and have all the positive buzz amongst gamers and developers alike, while MS has had negative rumors become reality with their unveiling. It's their race to lose right now; they could easily make a stupid move and undo all the goodwill. MS needs to blow the doors off at E3, or you will see all that perception and name recognition go right in the shitter. 77 million PS3s is nothing to sniff at; that's name recognition too.
 
yodathesoda said:
Or someone with a disposable income to buy games with when he wants to and has adult friends that do the same. Semantics though. The doom and gloomers should wait till E3 or maybe until more facts are out on both, shit is getting tired.
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It's been 30 hours. Grow a thicker skin.

Also, Kinect Fitness. Have fun with that at E3.

Now, I'm going to go back to playing with G.I Joe because I'm eight and I loan video games to friends.
 
yodathesoda said:
Or someone with a disposable income to buy games with when he wants to and has adult friends that do the same. Semantics though. The doom and gloomers should wait till E3 or maybe until more facts are out on both, shit is getting tired.
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I lend games to my 11 year old neighbor since he can't afford that many games. I guess I'm an 8 year old for loaning my games out. Get over yourself.
 
PS3 sold the same as the 360 but came out a year later, was much more expensive and with similar performance. Sony fixed two of those already and people think adding some media functionality to the One will put it on top?
 
I mean, we know for an absolute fact that the Xbox One requires an internet connection to activate games before playing.

Already that will eliminate customers who, even if they want to buy the system, cannot do so due to that requirement. How many of those customers is that, exactly? I really wonder. (The last measure was taken back in 2010, with 27% of 360 users surveyed not connected to the internet.)
 
mr2xxx said:
PS3 sold the same as the 360 but came out a year later, was much more expensive and with similar performance. Sony fixed two of those already and people think adding some media functionality to the One will put it on top?
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Not only that, it had an abysmal start. All of that and you would never imagine that the PS3 outsold the 360.
 
dude819 said:
Give this man a gold star. He is the only one talking sense in this place for the last 35 hours.
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yup, just you and him, riding the wave of isolated awareness.

oh and yodathesoda, I let people borrow games that I work with because I'm not a douche. Shoutouts to the shittyneogafpost twitter for pointing you out.
 
Ezalc said:
I already barely use the 360 I have, why in the flying fuck would I bother to buy a XJuan when it has absolutely nothing I enjoy and a lot of systems I hate.
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because you have a few days to wait until E3 to see if you have any fucks to give until that show is up and over - that really is there chance to show the games the main thing we all care about.
 
For me a console should address gaming first and foremost; this obviously isn't the approach MS is taking as the first feature they showed off was its DVR capabilities. They're aiming for a "one" solution entertainment approach for the living room: TV, streaming, chatting, gaming, etc. but it ends up being a "jack of all trades, master of none" kind of deal.

That's not to say the Xbox One won't be successful. Gaming has a much broader audience beyond the core gamer so I think it's hard to say which one will top out. But as one who is a core gamer, I prefer the PS4. For the other audience, I can see how the Xbox One could be popular (but primarily only in the United States).
 
We don't know when either console is coming out, how much they will cost or the launch lineup for either...so to even speculate at this point would just be completely baseless.
 
perineumlick said:
What's the perception between the PS4 and Xbox One in the media and online right now? What about the perception of Gears and Halo?

You're talking absolutes as if things don't change; Sony knows that better than anyone. They've righted the wrongs so far, and have all the positive buzz amongst gamers and developers alike, while MS has had negative rumors become reality with their unveiling. It's their race to lose right now; they could easily make a stupid move and undo all the goodwill. MS needs to blow the doors off at E3, or you will see all that perception and name recognition go right in the shitter. 77 million PS3s is nothing to sniff at; that's name recognition too.
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I'm talking about perception within the mainstream. Places like Neogaf represent the most hardcore of the hardcore, who have little to no bearing on the eventual outcome of a platform. It's very much a niche representation of the gaming consumer in general. If the perception of message boards were directly related to success of a console, then A) The Wii would have been a failure B) Microsoft coming off of its last few press conferences would have nose dived C) The Kinect would have been dead on arrival and D) The Vita would be selling gangbusters at the moment. As much as people would hate to admit, people outside of hardcore camps ultimately decide generations.
 
i dont care what i have to do i will get a PS4 at launch just to oppose the Xbox One. i dont care if i have to go hungry.. i dont care if i have to go on Craigslist.. i need to right the wrong i helped make with supporting the original Xbox and bury this shit once and for all.
 
chubigans said:
I mean, we know for an absolute fact that the Xbox One requires an internet connection to activate games before playing.

Already that will eliminate customers who, even if they want to buy the system, cannot do so due to that requirement. How many of those customers is that, exactly? I really wonder. (The last measure was taken back in 2010, with 27% of 360 users surveyed not connected to the internet.)
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It certainly is hard to measure, even harder to measure how many people out there that don't feel confident in the idea of needing an internet connection to use the console.

I live in a major US city and an hour out of the city, maybe less, are people that either don't have broadband internet or reliable internet. Then again as my friend put it, I don't know if Microsoft even cares to lose those customers because they obviously won't be paying for Live and downloading and thus paying for additional Content.
 
You can add the Xbox One to their 2013 greatest hits list because it'll be joining them soon.

Windows Phone
Windows 8
Surface RT
Surface Pro
 
open_mouth_ said:
As much as you hate the One right now, chances are you're going to buy one sometime during its lifespan because you are a gamer and it will be tough to resist when all is said and done. Here's five reasons why the One will top the charts:
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I already have a PC and a smartphone, what do I need this for?
 
manueldelalas said:
I don't know about you, but in my case I can buy Windows 8 cheaper than Windows 7; there is no denying that it has been a huge failure, and MSFT has been forced to slash the price. That's a flop.

They still are trying to force the SO down our throats (most new computers come with it preinstalled). The response to it has been bad, people want their Start menu back and you'll see sooner rather than later that it will come back.

Also there is a difference, Win 7 came after a very unsuccessful Windows Vista and people were more cautious, and it won it's space; Win 8 should have been a success, but it needed a price slash to take off, and I don't know anybody excited about it. Not in the PC space nor in the tablet space; failure and failure.
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On the flip side. People were eager to get rid of Windows Vista, so they might have been quick to upgrade once they heard that 7 was good. Whereas now, most people are content with 7.
 
open_mouth_ said:
As much as you hate the One right now, chances are you're going to buy one sometime during its lifespan because you are a gamer and it will be tough to resist when all is said and done. Here's five reasons why the One will top the charts:.
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Wont ever happen. ill do you one better and i wont ever buy a MS product ever again. 360.. Windows 8.. whatever. Its not happening.
 
yodathesoda said:
I'd fit into a some what of a "dudebro" gamer considering I play a lot of NHL, Madden and Battlefield 3. I don't lend or borrow games because I'm not fucking 8 years old. I'll wait and see for e3.
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No friends? We trade games on a regular basis. Keeps the costs down... the equivalent of renting for free.
 
Truespeed said:
You can add the Xbox One to their 2013 greatest hits list because it'll be joining them soon.

Windows Phone
Windows 8
Surface RT
Surface Pro
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You mean products that have perception issues with the hardcore, but are selling decently to spectacular due to the fact that the hardcore's perception ultimately doesn't dictate the market? Despite the hate brigade behind it, Windows 8's sales are on par with that of Windows 7. Windows Phone's sales have picked up significantly after a slow start, and it experienced a 133% increase (From 3 to 7 million) year over year in its first quarter this year.
 
chubigans said:
I mean, we know for an absolute fact that the Xbox One requires an internet connection to activate games before playing.

Already that will eliminate customers who, even if they want to buy the system, cannot do so due to that requirement. How many of those customers is that, exactly? I really wonder. (The last measure was taken back in 2010, with 27% of 360 users surveyed not connected to the internet.)
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According to this only 27.6% of Americans have access to broadband.
 
water_wendi said:
Wont ever happen. ill do you one better and i wont ever buy a MS product ever again. 360.. Windows 8.. whatever. Its not happening.
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I am getting to this point as well. Only sticking point is that Macs are so dang expensive, and I have never built my own PC. I do use Ubuntu primarily already, so the jump would be easy.
 
Mauricio_Magus said:
because TV
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Useless to anybody outside the US, which is my case.

To answer the OP more directly, will the XJuan sell? Most likely in the US it will. It'll do shit in Japan, I honestly don't know how it'll do in Europe, but it'd sell well in South America if people manage to hack it and play pirated games because lord know that nobody in these countries would be willing to pay local prices for this shit.

As to my position on it, I don't care about anything the OP said. Don't care for Kinect, don't care about Dead Rising or Respawn or any of the Call of Duty and Madden games, don't live in the US so I can't even take advantage of all the TV/Movie/Music stuff they have. Even if I did I still don't care about the top three sports in the US nor enough about UFC to actually go out and buy whatever packaged they're offering. Considering that I've owned my 360 for years and have always refused to pay for online, that shit isn't changing anytime soon. Don't care for any of the Xbox exclusives at all.

So tell me OP. Why would I care about the XJuan? E3 will be their last saving grace, but even if they show some game which I have some interest in. One game is not sufficient for me to purchase a most likely 500 dollar machine that I would need to import, so the cost gets even more expensive, half its features wouldn't work in my region and the other half I probably just wouldn't even bother to use because I simply don't care about video sharing, live streaming, or any other "innovation" you mentioned. I just want to play fun video games, and Microsoft seems to have shown everything but that.
 
yodathesoda said:
Or someone with a disposable income to buy games with when he wants to and has adult friends that do the same. Semantics though. The doom and gloomers should wait till E3 or maybe until more facts are out on both, shit is getting tired.
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Nope. You labelling people that lend items as 8 year olds makes you a certain kind of individual, one post will not fix that. Plenty of facts are out, by the way, maybe you missed them?

open_mouth_ said:
"You" doesn't mean you personally but, rather, the general gaming community that neogaf represents (majority of that community I meant, not everyone who reads this per se)
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You may want to word it in a different manner then, at the moment it comes across as pretty patronising.

d0c_zaius said:
yup, just you and him, riding the wave of isolated awareness.

oh and yodathesoda, I let people borrow games that I work with because I'm not a douche. Shoutouts to the shittyneogafpost twitter for pointing you out.
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Holy shit, that twitter exists, awesome.
 
open_mouth_ said:
This isn't so much about fanboyism as it is about realism.

Compare market share figures for software and hardware and total $$$ spent during the last two generations and you will realize my point with Microsoft. Whether you're talking NA or worldwide, the piece of those pies that Microsoft has garnered should impress even the most stubborn sales-age GAF'er.

Let's talk about "consensus" NeoGAF for a moment while we stroll down memory lane. Consensus GAF said 360 would be lucky to break 40 mil before it launched. Now we're talking about 80 million and possibly much more if the Mini is real. C-GAF believed Sony when they said they would release shortly after the 360. Whoops, they were only off by a year. C-GAF also believed the PS3 would be an order of magnitude more powerful than the 360. Whoops again. See where I'm going here?

Now C-GAF is saying X1 will go the way of the Wii-U and PS4 will be the white knight of this generation with their free online play and lack of used game blocking. Let's see if C-GAF can keep up its impeccable record ;)
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This whole quote is fantasy.

You are literally saying that your prediction will be right because others predictions were wrong in the past. Like there's some mathematical formula to it!!
 
GDGF said:
I'll totally trade you my Rock 'n Roll for your SnakeEyes :)
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Sounds good to me.

Coxy said:
lube costs money, they'd go in dry at this point.
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A tiny tube should do the trick. Just enough to get the rim ready. Cost effective.

eddfromtheriver said:
Can i borrow some of your toy figurines as well buddy?... i won't break any pieces off i swear!
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Remember Small Soldiers? I still have all of the toys from that movie boxed up at home. I would not trust anyone not to break them.

Truespeed said:
It's pre-packaged with Dance Central 4 as some of the moves can only be performed with a rich application of lube.
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The ones where you bend over right? Ho, ho, ho.
 
Maybe. Doesn't mean I'm buying one. I would bet the majority of this forum does, though. Wii got a huge backlash post announcement, but most of the forum ended up with one.
 
harSon said:
You mean products that have perception issues with the hardcore, but are selling decently to spectacular due to the fact that the hardcore's perception ultimately doesn't dictate the market? Despite the hate brigade behind it, Windows 8's sales are on par with that of Windows 7. Windows Phone's sales have picked up significantly after a slow start, and it experienced a 133% increase (From 3 to 7 million) year over year in its first quarter this year.
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No, I was referring to the 92% of the smartphone market that weren't hardcore and about 98% of the tablet market that also weren't hardcore. As for Windows 8, counting OEM installs while your OEM's complain about the functionality of your OS certainly isn't what I would call spectacular nor is the about face and reintroduction of the Start Button and Boot to Desktop mode when you finally realized that the public has rejected your new UI across the board.
 
I think it's a definite possibility but i'm pretty sure i won't be one of those sales. I still think at this point Sony is in a great position to go back to dominance if they play their cards right.

They have a huge advantage in Europe and it looks like they will be back on top in Japan (how much that means i don't know). NA might be a struggle but WW i think they are in a much better position.
 
chubigans said:
I mean, we know for an absolute fact that the Xbox One requires an internet connection to activate games before playing.

Already that will eliminate customers who, even if they want to buy the system, cannot do so due to that requirement. How many of those customers is that, exactly? I really wonder. (The last measure was taken back in 2010, with 27% of 360 users surveyed not connected to the internet.)
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Microsoft reported 46 million XBL accounts when their last earnings report came out. Out of 77 million consoles sold.
 
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