Xbox One will be Number One in Sales
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Mr.Wreckless
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Which again will release DLC on the MS console first. A lot of people like to downplay timed DLC but it actually does make a difference.
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Another thing that's interesting is how insulted some people are getting by this prediction, as if I said something terrible about a family member of theirs or said something blasphemous about their religion of choice.
Come on, fellas... why so serious?
Come on, fellas... why so serious?
plagiarize
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will they continue to when the PS4 version is the one that looks better?
Mass Effect
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As long as there is third-party parity for the systems I'll probably own (PC, PS4... maybe not the Wii U), then I don't care if the Xbox sells more from some kind of console fanboy perspective (i.e. Oh no, the console I have isn't beating the console I don't have!). Really though, what would bother me the most is that if the Nextbox becomes sucessful despite the anti-consumer practices is that they will become a commonplace. That's what I'm worried about.
The stereotypical College fratboy type, if you've ever seen that in movies. The term is thrown around here a bit much though.
The stereotypical College fratboy type, if you've ever seen that in movies. The term is thrown around here a bit much though.
Hot Coldman
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Hahahaha. Yes please.
TheDarkKnight774
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WW? There's no way. Every move by MS is focused on one market: USA or to push their products and restrict features
Small differences in graphics won't matter to dudebro gamers, so yes it'll still sell better on XO because they get all the DLC first.
Syphon Filter
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Not sure if that really matters. they come out quick and people are still trying to get the hang of the maps in the game by default.
Jake Tower
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Even if Xbone were the only console available, I still would not buy it.
Another thing that's interesting is how insulted some people are getting by this prediction, as if I said something terrible about a family member of theirs or said something blasphemous about their religion of choice.
Come on, fellas... why so serious?
It would be pretty sad if the company that seems to have become so anti-consumer and gimmick focused ended up on top, if 'gaming' became what was at that conference, I would sooner quit it all together.
Bending_Unit_22
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World definitely not, and my own guess would be in the US it'll be close though MS might lead by an insignificant amount. As for buying one myself I've pretty much given up on MS as far as gaming is concerned so no for me. MS could be the only place to play new video games but thanks to the forward concept of backwards compatibility I'll have the huge library of amazing games I never played/finished to fall back on.
What do you know, Kim Jong Un is a Sony fanboy. I was going to say it is surprising since Sony is Japanese but then looking at his options to play video games (the greatest racing game ever made aside) they are Japanese, Japanese, American, American, American, and South Korean so I guess Sony is the lesser of 6 or so evils.
Oddly I saw a lot more interest in the PS4 with people I know in real life. So far I know of 1 person stoked for the Xbox One and he is the biggest MS fanboy ever, doesn't even play CoD or Madden just Halo, Gears, Forza and so on. Anecdotal and all that either way.
What do you know, Kim Jong Un is a Sony fanboy. I was going to say it is surprising since Sony is Japanese but then looking at his options to play video games (the greatest racing game ever made aside) they are Japanese, Japanese, American, American, American, and South Korean so I guess Sony is the lesser of 6 or so evils.
Oddly I saw a lot more interest in the PS4 with people I know in real life. So far I know of 1 person stoked for the Xbox One and he is the biggest MS fanboy ever, doesn't even play CoD or Madden just Halo, Gears, Forza and so on. Anecdotal and all that either way.
They're multiplayer experiences and people ultimately want to play with their friends. If this demographic experiences a mass exodus to the Playstation 4, then Microsoft is screwed, if not then its business as usual. But people are so invested into Xbox Live, and held hostage by the fact that they're at the mercy of their friend's purchasing decisions, that I don't think this is going to change. There's a reason Microsoft sets large chunks of keynote time for publishers like EA and Activision to parade their games, and that's for the advertisement perception that Madden and Call of Duty are Microsoft titles despite being on other hardware.
Tylahedras
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If I see one at someone's house I'm leaving. I will not have my conversations recorded by this POS.
Haha, TOP THAT
Every single one of these points except "Kinnect" woudl have been true of Sony two generations ago and Nintendo two generations before that.
Sony once had the bigger exclusives. Going into last generation they were the known console for GTA and Final Fantasy and they had the "exclusive" on Final Fantasy (which ended up caving). They had the brand recognition and the momentum. And they were known above all other companies to be the most cutting edge in terms of tech.
Your argument is basically the the leader, most popular, and most innovative console from one generation will remain the leader, most popular, and most innovative console the next generation. That is a verifiable false assumption.
quickwhips
Member
MS has so much to prove but the Xbone Comments just show you were you stand. E3 is going to be awesome.
No one cares about Kinect anymore, MS would have to capture the attention of the mass market all over again, and they might, but its not guarenteed, see Wii U.
Dudebro exists across both X360 and PS3. CoD, Battlefield, pretty much most third-party games sell proportionately to western install base. CoD is not some juggernaut on X360 and not on PS3, its huge and largely equivalent on both. In a similar way Fifa is bigger in the UK on but otherwise much bigger on PS3 in the rest of Europe where...theres a bigger install base. Theres no Halo or Gears, and thats big, but Gears 3 didn't really sell that much more than Uncharted 3, obviously both MS and Sony have to focus on attracting the same group they did last generation and hope their new IP hits home.
Marketing is something both companies need to do, and do well. Don't presume MS can just throw infinite money at the problem, thats exactly the reasons I kept reading that MS would never have a weaker system than the PS4. They can afford more R&D, they can subsidise more, they wont let Sony one-up them. MS have shareholders, they need to make a profit.
There will be exclusives for both, thats obvious. They are big deals, but theres no reason to think bigger for one system than another since we know almost jack shit about the lineups.
Not seeing more innovation related to gaming, particularly online, with the Xbox One over the PS4 and the Steambox.
I personally will probably have a Xbox One, but I wind up with everything. Thats a small, predictable market. The larger market is not predictable, and its damned foolish to assume any of those people will be on board from the get go.
The price of the next systems is obviously going to be the largest factor in their success at the beginning, btw.
Dudebro exists across both X360 and PS3. CoD, Battlefield, pretty much most third-party games sell proportionately to western install base. CoD is not some juggernaut on X360 and not on PS3, its huge and largely equivalent on both. In a similar way Fifa is bigger in the UK on but otherwise much bigger on PS3 in the rest of Europe where...theres a bigger install base. Theres no Halo or Gears, and thats big, but Gears 3 didn't really sell that much more than Uncharted 3, obviously both MS and Sony have to focus on attracting the same group they did last generation and hope their new IP hits home.
Marketing is something both companies need to do, and do well. Don't presume MS can just throw infinite money at the problem, thats exactly the reasons I kept reading that MS would never have a weaker system than the PS4. They can afford more R&D, they can subsidise more, they wont let Sony one-up them. MS have shareholders, they need to make a profit.
There will be exclusives for both, thats obvious. They are big deals, but theres no reason to think bigger for one system than another since we know almost jack shit about the lineups.
Not seeing more innovation related to gaming, particularly online, with the Xbox One over the PS4 and the Steambox.
I personally will probably have a Xbox One, but I wind up with everything. Thats a small, predictable market. The larger market is not predictable, and its damned foolish to assume any of those people will be on board from the get go.
The price of the next systems is obviously going to be the largest factor in their success at the beginning, btw.
Green Wiggly
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Another thing that's interesting is how insulted some people are getting by this prediction, as if I said something terrible about a family member of theirs or said something blasphemous about their religion of choice.
Come on, fellas... why so serious?
It's not an odd argument at all. Also GoW isn't really dudebro, at least not in the sense that it's mass appeal. It sells a small fraction of what Halo sells.
The thought process goes likes this:
Dudebro gamer: "What system should I buy, PS4 or XO? Well I can play CoD and Madden on both, but I can play Halo and Gears on XO and Killzone and Uncharted (Last of Us 2?) and PS4. Guess XO it is!
No sadder than it is now. I mean it's not like MS was giving consumers BJs this gen with the X360. They didn't "become" anti-consumer, they always were. Yet look, gaming is fine.
Madden almost always was advertised for 360 mainly, and during NFL broadcasts you almost always only saw 360 based game ads already in the past few years.
I really do not think it will make the difference that you and they are thinking that it will.
Another thing that's interesting is how insulted some people are getting by this prediction, as if I said something terrible about a family member of theirs or said something blasphemous about their religion of choice.
Come on, fellas... why so serious?
Why aren't you trying to argue any of the points people brought up? Instead, you're making blanket statements and acting really silly.
There's no question that the 360 was innovative, but what about the Xbox One is innovative? It looks like they're chasing an already established market (second screen/Smart TVs).
And they ultimately fumbled it away by releasing at an absurd price point, being technologically difficult to develop for and having their release date undercut by a year. Unless Microsoft makes these mistakes, their dominance within the United States at least, is pretty much guaranteed.
Pretty much this. On top of that they've gone and targeted an even bigger market now with all the TV stuff, so dominance within the US is even more guaranteed. But I have no doubt the PS4 will be dominant within GAF. Sadly people who frequent GAF make up a negligible percentage of the US market.
Can you really say this with a straight face? It's not impossible, but to say its a given ignores common sense.
SenjutsuSage
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Is this an attempt at reverse psychology to antagonize people by telling them that they'll buy something that they are against right now in hopes that they actually harden their stances against the system?
Personally, I'm all aboard. I'm getting the Xbox One without a doubt. I don't have any significant objections to any of what I've seen and read. I'm also not crazy enough to believe that Microsoft is crazy enough to not know they need enough impressive games for their platform to entice gamers to want to go out there and pick up their system, so I'm not worried. E3 is around the corner.
Personally, I'm all aboard. I'm getting the Xbox One without a doubt. I don't have any significant objections to any of what I've seen and read. I'm also not crazy enough to believe that Microsoft is crazy enough to not know they need enough impressive games for their platform to entice gamers to want to go out there and pick up their system, so I'm not worried. E3 is around the corner.
StreetsAhead
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Well, GAF is made up from people all over the world and not just the US.
Oh, you edited.
I'm sorry we're not all American, then.
Agreed, most likely. Advertising and lots of casual appeal will have them doing well.
perineumlick
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MS better hope that Sony starts charging for online play, or else that COD and Madden combo they're banking on will crash and burn. PS4 won't be gimped in the online features department like the PS3 was, and if the multiplats look better, perform better, AND are free to play online, then it's over.
He didn't explain himself in that much detail but it's not a ridiculous comment at all.
With the PS2, gamers didn't have a persistent online gamer persona. With the 360, there now is. People will want to carry that on - achievements, friendlists, general familiarity with the console. This is the same with PS3 gamers, but there are many more 360 gamers than PS3 gamers in the US. Short of MS announcing a SIX HUNDRED NINETY NINE US DOLLARS, they've got the top spot in the US locked down.
All of my friends who play 360 don't even know what the PS3's online features were. They didn't pick 360 because they viewed the PS3 online features as gimped, they simply picked 360 because Halo, Gears, and CoD were all on one console. They price of the online play they simply viewed as something that was unavoidable, but so nominal that it really didn't matter.
People put way too much emphasis on the fact that MS charges for online when talking about appeal to the general public. Most people don't care about 4-5 bucks a month on their credit card bill. Sony may as well charge for online play as well because they are leaving money on the table. Free online didn't allow them to make a dent in the 360 userbase in the US.
perineumlick
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Like I said, if Sony stays with free online, the party's over.
Kinects are in closets worldwide. Nobody wants another one.
Dudebro exists elsewhere.
How's the marketing for windows phone doing?
Exclusives are only as good as the game itself is.
Their innovations are a mixed bag for sure.
I don't see how they make up the difference for people like me who will be skipping an Xbox for the first time this gen. I know I'm not alone.
Dudebro exists elsewhere.
How's the marketing for windows phone doing?
Exclusives are only as good as the game itself is.
Their innovations are a mixed bag for sure.
I don't see how they make up the difference for people like me who will be skipping an Xbox for the first time this gen. I know I'm not alone.
PSN being free and Xbox Live costing money isn't going to mean a damned thing if people's friends are on the latter. People want to play multiplayer games with their friends, and if their friends are on Xbox Live, they'll be there too.
Beermeister
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Another thing that's interesting is how insulted some people are getting by this prediction, as if I said something terrible about a family member of theirs or said something blasphemous about their religion of choice.
Come on, fellas... why so serious?
Because you're so arrogant as to assume that you know our future actions better than we do. How would someone not be insulted when they're belittled in such a way?
Yeah, no.
The amount of people who care about the difference between $0 a year and $60-70 a year is so miniscule that it isn't even enough to have a house party. People pay a month's worth of XB Gold for coffee every single day.
SapientWolf
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It might not be small, and I can't imagine that dudebros would be happy about paying for XBL Gold under those circumstances. So it washes.
MS's best chance at capturing an early lead is cross platform play on XBL. If that's not supported then they risk having a sizable part of their core defect to Sony (or the PC).
Chuck Norris
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Their friends aren't on Xbox One though, nobody is on Xbox One yet.