Xbox One will be Number One in Sales

Amir0x said:
1. Kinect 2.0 can never be the next wiimote because its utility for 99% of genres is essentially nothing but pain and shitty gimmicks. Because it lacks tactile feedback and buttons, it's basic functionality is somewhere between miles behind the wiimote and stabbing yourself in the penis with a steak knife and then trying to control a game with the entrenched, bloody blade still stuck inside you, acting as if it was an analog stick.
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I kinda want to know more about this....
 
WinoMcCougarstein said:
Yeah, it probably won't have ANY streaming on demand apps. Just like the 360, right? Oh wait, the conference yesterday even showed it had said apps. What a fucking retarded post.
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sure thing fanboy. My TV already has apps built into it so having them in the xbox one is unnecessary and cable is losing its relevance quickly. early adopters only care about games the garbage they showed at the "event" could've easily been shown in november when they're pandering to the soccer moms for their xmas money on black friday. this device is barely relevant in the US. MS is basically giving the rest of the next gen global market to Sony and Nintendo.

It'll also play VHS and 8 track tapes btw oohhh sign me up for three!!

cloud computing is the new cell processor
 
IrishNinja said:
i dont know which element tries harder lately, the hate pile-on or the MDF response. feels like the MDF from threads like this though.
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You make it sound like people who are hating on it are reaching to do so. The console literally got more bad news courtesy of Microsoft with each passing HOUR yesterday, to the point where had the bad news actually continued at the same rate, we would have woken up this morning to learn that each console manufactured required a virgin sacrifice.
 
apana said:
I've been predicting third console curse for a long time now. I was right
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I've pretty much been an Xbox detractor since the 360 days, but... I think it's too early to call this. I imagine there's going to be a lot more to all the things we're worried about, I mean they'll find ways to soften it (though that's me being optimistic). Some people will warm up to it, other won't, but again I just think it's too early to call.

I'll go ahead and say the same about the PS4 and Wii U in their own respective ways. People think the Wii U is already done and people think the PS4 is already the second coming. All of this could end up being very very wrong. As for me I'm of the mind that each console will end up doing fine.
 
y'know, I've always wondered:

How many sales did MS (and to a lesser extent, Sony) get from people buying second, third, etc. consoles. I've had to buy 3 360s and I swore that the last one was indeed the last. And now I don't even really turn it on. I've only really had 1 PS3, but I had to repair my PS3 twice, once when I had a 60gb and once with my Slim (I sold the 60gb when OtherOS was removed and bought a Slim with the money).

I wonder if the inflation from people buying units to replace out of warranty consoles is actually non-negligible...
 
I remember when a certain sect of xbox fans used to say the wii "didn't count" and that the 360 was the number one console. The reason it 'didn't count' was because they went after casual gamers and not us so why should we count it?


Now microsoft is going after TV viewers and sales matter but not their target audience?



I can understand being interested in following sales as it's fun to guess and whatnot. But if you really care more if a system will 'sell more' than it actually be designed with features you want... I don't even know what to say to that.


The XBone may very well sell the most. It will still be the worst console on the market if it keeps up the anti-consumer features its planning now.

Vanilla Ice sold 11 million copies of Two the Extreme. Tupac sold 2 million copies of Me Against The World. Vanilla Ice > Tupac?
 
brandonh83 said:
Ami, here to say the things I'm usually too nervous to say. I don't know how many anti-Kinect posts I've written out and deleted. I'm still waiting for Microsoft to show me just how this thing is going to be worth my time. And now the fact that they're forcing it on people to the point where the system won't work without it being connected... I mean, surely there's some justification for this beyond just them being obsessed with their own creation.

But until that happens, it's going to continue to be nothing but dead weight to me. It's not that I want to hate it, it's just a piece of tech that could either be good or bad, but they've yet to give me one single reason to care about it. I'm sure it will do some cool stuff, but like you were saying about the Wii controller and motion controls -- it still felt like a game controller, it was something material that I could play with. That's what makes the difference to me.

A friend of mine on Facebook tried to call me out when I said that the Kinect is useless to me and, as of right now, not an interesting way for me to play games. He countered with "well I didn't hear you bitching about the Wii." Shit's apples and oranges, god damn.
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It's like I always say... I believe virtual reality is the future, but we have ages to go until we get there, and until things like the tactile feedback/movement issue are solved in the context of technology like Kinect, it will always be dead end tech.

Kingbrave said:
I kinda want to know more about this....
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I didn't want to tell anyone, but an insider told me it's Sony's big surprise at E3. Shhh!
 
Bryan Newman said:
Dudebro is such a stupid term. It was invented by gamers that were bullied in school by popular kids who have now also taken up gaming.
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"Dudebro" used to be casual, until the term was co-opted for soccer moms and such. So the former casuals were termed dudebros.

I don't think the XBox One is going to flop as hard as the Wii U, but I don't see it beating out the PS4. I've never seen Sony this hungry. They're either going to win next gen or go bankrupt trying.
 
corrosivefrost said:
y'know, I've always wondered:

How many sales did MS (and to a lesser extent, Sony) get from people buying second, third, etc. consoles. I've had to buy 3 360s and I swore that the last one was indeed the last. And now I don't even really turn it on. I've only really had 1 PS3, but I had to repair my PS3 twice, once when I had a 60gb and once with my Slim (I sold the 60gb when OtherOS was removed and bought a Slim with the money).

I wonder if the inflation from people buying units to replace out of warranty consoles is actually non-negligible...
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It's been brought up many a times, but one thing always remained true of the 360. In the US it almost always sold more copies of multiplats, so the number of active users on 360 was deemed to be higher in the US.
 
brandonh83 said:
VR... I think, has it's place maybe. I don't think it should be all encompassing though.
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Consider that in a VR environment, a true one, you can simply project a virtual reality of you playing a traditional game with a traditional controller if you like

then let that settle and blow your mind and you'll understand why it is the future, if they can get such technology at a consumer-level price without weird installation issues that hinder the average consumer from setting it up.
 
heliosRAzi said:
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lol

man gaf is killing me right now
 
SapientWolf said:
"Dudebro" used to be casual, until the term was co-opted for soccer moms and such. So the former casuals were termed dudebros.

I don't think the XBox One is going to flop as hard as the Wii U, but I don't see it beating out the PS4. I've never seen Sony this hungry. They're either going to win next gen or go bankrupt trying.
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Well, I think "dudebro" has also been referred to as mainstream, which makes sense to me. For people seriously ENOUGH about gaming the majority will be fans of CoD, Halo, GTA, etc. Casuals are basically just treating it more like a board game that might be whipped out when board or like crossword puzzles.
 
Man-is-Obsolete said:
It's been brought up many a times, but one thing always remained true of the 360. In the US it almost always sold more copies of multiplats, so the number of active users on 360 was deemed to be higher in the US.
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Oh, I don't doubt it -- the adoption rate for the console was fantastic. It had lower cost to start and provided online multiplayer action people had wanted for a long time. Add in launching first, Sony coming in too late and too high and playing catchup, etc... and yeah, it's no wonder.

Also wonder, at times, what the switch rate is. That is people who actually decided to abandon their 360s after <X> failures.

I saw people in threads who had had 7 RRODs or so and they were STILL, faithfully but begrudgingly, supporting MS and sticking with the platform.

I did the math the other day -- it took 5 years for them to correct the RROD problem and put out the 360 S. And even then, I think it just turns itself off if it gets too warm. :lol

I'm not beta testing this generation. I can't wait to see if MS has learned from past experiences though. :)
 
They'll never get Halo or Gears on PS4, but they will get CoD and GTA still, and relative to CoD I'm not sure Halo or Gears are THAT relevant.
 
corrosivefrost said:
I did the math the other day -- it took 5 years for them to correct the RROD problem and put out the 360 S. And even then, I think it just turns itself off if it gets too warm. :lol

I'm not beta testing this generation. I can't wait to see if MS has learned from past experiences though. :)
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Say what you want about Sony, they build really nice machines. The Vita is one of the best pieces of hardware I have ever owned, reliability and all.
 
It might somehow sell with the soccer-moms and Kintect crowd, but if it realizes the current anti-consumer policies it's swept-up in, I just can't see gamers embracing it.
 
I don't know why people think dudebros are guaranteed to stick with Xbox.

Do you guys think dudebros didn't exist before this gen? No, they certainly did. And they were using the PS2 as a Madden/GTA box.

The PS4 will still be a CoD/Battlefield/GTA/Madden box and I don't think Halo is a deabreaker that will make them certainly stick with Xbox.
 
I feel that developers will want to make games for PS4 and throw shovel-ware onto XBone. The problem is even if that is true the XBone may still sell like hotcakes for all the gimmicks it has. I mean if you can win over Fox news and GamesPot...
 
Randolph Freelander said:
It might top the charts in America, I can't predict that it won't. But I can tell you plainly that it will not be because of me.
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Me either. I honestly cannot fathom how any self-respecting consumer can justify validating the existence of a product such as this with their dollars. This type of product/ company deserves to suffer the wrath of the consumer, but far too many gamers are spineless and will hurt the industry (and other gamers) because of their weakness.
 
ZombiePlatypus said:
It might somehow sell with the soccer-moms and Kintect crowd, but if it realizes the current anti-consumer policies it's swept-up in, I just can't see gamers embracing it.
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If the casuals that bought Wii Sports have moved on to smart phones, what makes you think the Kinect crowd is still hanging around?
 
-CM- said:
the "dudebros" are going to make the switch to PS4.
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Eusis said:
They'll never get Halo or Gears on PS4, but they will get CoD and GTA still, and relative to CoD I'm not sure Halo or Gears are THAT relevant.
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When I think "dudebros", I think of the guys who play Madden and Halo on Xbox/360. I don't think they're randomly going to switch and lose out on Halo, brah.

Besides... that "we get the CoD DLC a month ahead of time"? That matters.
Plus if all their friends are on 360... that's what will really drive some sales.

Hell, the only reason I ended up with a 360 was because I got one for Christmas one year after remarking that "I would've bought CoD4 for PS3 on sale, but none of my friends have PS3s".
That lead to a 360 and CoD4 being under the tree...
 
open_mouth_ said:
As much as you hate the One right now, chances are you're going to buy one sometime during its lifespan because you are a gamer and it will be tough to resist when all is said and done. Here's five reasons why the One will top the charts:

Kinect 2.0
Kinect 2.0 will be the next Wiimote. The new Dance Central and Kinect Sports will be just the tip of the iceberg. MS knows they need a few more killer apps to start the avalanche effect and that's exactly what they have been working on in the hopes of having the next "Wii Sports" phenomenon on their hands. No other system can provide this type of mass market offering for grandma and little tommy alike.

Power of Dudebro
The biggest franchises out there will be on One. Some of them will be on the PS4, sure, but there's nowhere else where you'll find Halo, COD, Gears, Madden, etc. all on one console. Don't underestimate the dudebros who continue to fuel the yearly installments of COD, etc. and play it on the 360/PS3 instead of playing superior graphical versions on PC. The hardcore may care about FPS and res and such, but dudebro's don't.

Marketing
Wii U already has a flat tire so only the PS4 is in the way from topping the charts. Wii U will rebound a bit, no doubt, and PS4 is formidable, but Microsoft already proved it can maneuver around Sony whenever it needs to to maintain sales momentum whether that comes in the form of advertisements, aggressive price cuts and promos, or marketing deals with publishers. Microsoft has the deeper pockets and it's looking like they may have a price advantage all gen long.

Exclusives
There will be a bunch of One exclusives, moneyhat variety or otherwise. A handful of those will be hard to resist for even the biggest Sony or Nintendo fan so gamers will give in whether they like it or not. There's already been talk of Microsoft opening the wallet for Respawn's game and possibly Dead Rising 3. We know Ryse is coming and sounds like Insomniac and others may have exclusive stuff in the works.

Innovation
Microsoft were big innovators with the 360, whether people want to admit it or not and it's looking like they will keep that trend going. Gamers who think that Sony won't follow suit with the used games restrictions are fooling themselves. The future is here. You will either support it or not (see Steam). Dedicated servers, dynamic achievements, in-game skype and internet feeds, video sharing, cloud enhancements, clean and snappy interface, real-time multitasking/switching, smart TV, etc., etc. Few companies will be able to match the One's online gaming experience, but it will come at a cost, of course.
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Sales minus one.
 
Another thing to consider when you look at how familiarity with the brand/service/platform will lead to existing customers upgrading instead of switching:

People have been using the 360 controller almost 7 years now, I think.
I've seen people who love their xbox get a ps3. And then they bitch about all the things they hate with the dual shock.

Combine this with people who care about their gamerscore and want to migrate it to the new platform.

There are tons of people who will bitch now but be in line for one at launch or shortly thereafter.
 
It will live or die by the games. Mainstream population is not gonna spend $400+ for those multimedia features. Core gamers are the ones willing to spend that kind of money on a console. And if the software lineup is not good, it will flop before the price gets low enough for the mainstream population to afford it.

If the games are there, I suspect both it and PS4 will be neck and neck again.
 
StreetsAhead said:
If the casuals that bought Wii Sports have moved on to smart phones, what makes you think the Kinect crowd is still hanging around?
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You bring up a good point. Maybe the sports/NFL fans will fill that gap? I have no clue. All I know is that I'm almost certainly not gonna buy one even if it ends up having a crazy wanted exclusive like FFVII-remake. What's the point of having an amazing game when its functionality is drastically compromised?
 
Personally, I feel all three next-gen systems will struggle for relevance, but I've yet to see pricing for two of them, so... I'll wait before tossing any predictions out there.

EDIT: In other news, people who think the Wii Sports audience moved on to smartphones continue to boggle my damn mind. There is no experience on a smartphone like Wii Sports. Not one. People weren't playing Wii Sports because they desperately wanted to play a video game and anything easy enough would do.
 
Ya know- I just wrote up like a huge response negating all this and deleted it. Because fuck it.

If you're buying an Xbox One, buy it and be happy and play your exclusive titles and whatever other games you get. I'll be happy for you, just as I'm going to be happy with my Wii U and my PC and maybe a PS4.

Let's just stop arguing who is number one and play games. And then complain when we can't play them because the Internet is down...
 
Vinci said:
Personally, I feel all three next-gen systems will struggle for relevance, but I've yet to see pricing for two of them, so... I'll wait before tossing any predictions out there.

EDIT: In other news, people who think the Wii Sports audience moved on to smartphones continue to boggle my damn mind. There is no experience on a smartphone like Wii Sports. Not one. People weren't playing Wii Sports because they desperately wanted to play a video game and anything easy enough would do.
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Agree with both paragraphs.

Someone recently asked me if any new wii sports games were coming for wii and they have an iPad .
 
Vinci said:
EDIT: In other news, people who think the Wii Sports audience moved on to smartphones continue to boggle my damn mind. There is no experience on a smartphone like Wii Sports. Not one. People weren't playing Wii Sports because they desperately wanted to play a video game and anything easy enough would do.
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Whether or not it is true (and personally, I am not convinced) one of the big reasons people cite for Wii U's current (and hypothesised on-going) failure at retail is that the casuals who bought it for Wii Sports have all moved on to those smart devices.
 
StreetsAhead said:
Whether or not it is true (and personally, I am not convinced) one of the big reasons people cite for Wii U's current (and hypothesised on-going) failure at retail is that the casuals who bought it for Wii Sports have all moved on to those smart devices.
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No, the problem is that the Wii U is a dramatically different device. It's not that the audience suddenly lost interest in a certain job being fulfilled - it was that the industry stopped making quality stuff to fulfill that job.
 
-CM- said:
the "dudebros" are going to make the switch to PS4.
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If they want the most powerful console (something Xbox platforms have always been since 2001) or a system with the potential to be #1 worldwide (which the Xbox One can't be with an always-online requirement) they're going to have to make the switch.
 
UberTag said:
If they want the most powerful console (something Xbox platforms have always been since 2001) or a system with the potential to be #1 worldwide (which the Xbox One can't be with an always-online requirement) they're going to have to make the switch.
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Wasn't the PS3 more powerful than the 360? I'm genuinely asking - I don't tend to give a shit personally, but following up on your premise
 
Vinci said:
No, the problem is that the Wii U is a dramatically different device. It's not that the audience suddenly lost interest in a certain job being fulfilled - it was that the industry stopped making quality stuff to fulfill that job.
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Well, again, it's an argument I've seen frequently.
 
UberTag said:
If they want the most powerful console (something Xbox platforms have always been since 2001) or a system with the potential to be #1 worldwide (which the Xbox One can't be with an always-online requirement) they're going to have to make the switch.
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I'm pretty sure they just buy the console that is either out first or in this case it will be the one with better exclusives and press. People who make the jump later will buy the console their friends are playing on so IMO it really comes down to this E3.
 
Vinci said:
Wasn't the PS3 more powerful than the 360? I'm genuinely asking - I don't tend to give a shit personally, but following up on your premise
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cell was more powerful but the rsx was slower than xenos. The 360 also had a unified memory pool and edram . The ps3 had 2 pools the cell had acess to the xdr ram and the gddr 3 ram but it was slow at accessing the gddr3 ram while the rsx had fast acess to the gddr ram while slow acess to the xdr.

The 360 also had a small os 32mbs while the ps3 started out at 96mbs and went down to 64 and then maybe smaller later on in its life.
 
StreetsAhead said:
Well, again, it's an argument I've seen frequently.
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And it's an idiotic argument made by people who think the Wii took off because grandma and grandpa had desperately been wanting to play video games all this time and couldn't figure out the deft movements necessary to play Tetris.
 
Oh Xbone is number one in sales already? I am impressed. Well it wasn't because of me because I am still not buying one.
 
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