Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Just realized that yes, there actually is a pipe that I can use to climb to the roof on the map I'm playing. That made flanking a helluva lot easier. Confined alleyway of death from above FTW.
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XCOM: Enemy Unknown |OT| Neo GAF is Under Alien Control
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I tried to do this on a council mission once.
It dropped two Thin Men on overwatch right next to my sniper...he made it out the next turn with 1 hp, at least. But come on, what the hell do you do about that short of keeping an Assault around to be a bodyguard? Stuff like that is why I tend to avoid crazy tactics. Another reason I wanna do a non-ironman run soon.
electricpirate
Member
Be smart with Hunker down, if you hunker down you can't be critted, so a moderately upgraded troop can survive a single thin man.
electricpirate
Member
I don't belive they are, the first time I met them was actually on the alien base mission.
weekend_warrior
Banned
OMG. I take 2 moves into a map- 2 thin man spawn. I move a unit 1 step to the corner of a small building to flank- 3 floaters spawn, I move another unit 1 step to get out of flank- 3 more more floaters appear, I proceed to miss 3 50% shots on 1 floater that has us flanked, all miss. I use my last unit with a 100% chance to hit it- it only does 2 damage. Aliens turn- dead. Everyone fucking dead. :\
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yeah, on small maps if I know there's a good chance a flanking attempt will aggro more spawns, I just retreat to a safer spot.
weekend_warrior
Banned
OMG, they just dropped 3 Mutons on me out of nowhere. :/
electricpirate
Member
I tend to be really, really agressive with explosives on small maps, Flanking is a big risk on those little maps. Smoke grenades, battle scanners, telekentic shields and ghost armor become pretty damn key here later on.
Then again, on some of those little maps, even if I don't flank, I'll immediately also get 3- patrols that stumble in on me.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Keep restarting my Ironman Run when I get to my first escort mission. Talk about a show stopper.
weekend_warrior
Banned
Whelp, that's that. My first attempt at Classic Ironman has come to laughably quick end.
After about 6-7 early restarts cause of bad starts, I'm finally doing well on Classic Ironman. I'm right before the Alien Base assault, all countries still in, panic levels under control, and I haven't lost many soldiers.
Only problem is I've got a shitty soldier selection. 2 snipers (one really good squadsight guy) and 2 assaults, the rest are rookies. I had 2 Heavies but lost 'em both on the same mission :-/ Only had 1 support and she died too.. gotta train some rookies but afraid to do so..
Only problem is I've got a shitty soldier selection. 2 snipers (one really good squadsight guy) and 2 assaults, the rest are rookies. I had 2 Heavies but lost 'em both on the same mission :-/ Only had 1 support and she died too.. gotta train some rookies but afraid to do so..
OmegaDragon
Member
My Classic Ironman run is going a lot better. Well the combat side at least. After a couple of messy missions and two wipes, no one has died so far. I got a nice selection of troops and everyone is ready for duty.
On the strategy side, it seems to be pretty bad atm. China, India and Australia have withdrawn, Germany and Egypt are at full panic. Europe, South America and Mexico are all in the danger zone.
But I have access to the enemy base. My carapace armour and OTS will be done 3 days before the next council report. I got a nice amount of cash due to some well timed UFO visits. So I can assault the base with armour, a bigger squad and better equipment. And if I win that, I'll be in a much better situation.
Also just got a Council mission that'll give me money and panic reduction. I'm thinking of taking it. But if I fail it and lose a lot of soldiers, I'm fucked.
What should I do?
Wow. Well if you are going to fail, you might as well fail spectacularly.
On the strategy side, it seems to be pretty bad atm. China, India and Australia have withdrawn, Germany and Egypt are at full panic. Europe, South America and Mexico are all in the danger zone.
But I have access to the enemy base. My carapace armour and OTS will be done 3 days before the next council report. I got a nice amount of cash due to some well timed UFO visits. So I can assault the base with armour, a bigger squad and better equipment. And if I win that, I'll be in a much better situation.
Also just got a Council mission that'll give me money and panic reduction. I'm thinking of taking it. But if I fail it and lose a lot of soldiers, I'm fucked.
What should I do?
Whelp, that's that. My first attempt at Classic Ironman has come to laughably quick end.
Wow. Well if you are going to fail, you might as well fail spectacularly.
Didn't want to scare the Canadians too much? I'm impressed, really. What happened that made it escalate that fast? I notice you don't have any satellites up. UFO shot them down?Whelp, that's that. My first attempt at Classic Ironman has come to laughably quick end.
EDIT: That sounded a bit harsh, but I am genuinely curious. The old game could escalate in a bad direction pretty fast, so I'm wondering how you made this one do it.
weekend_warrior
Banned
I had 2 satellites up, the original over US and one over Russia. I guess the Russian one disappeared when they left, and the USA one was shot down after I moved the interceptor there to aid Europe, after the interceptor there was badly damaged. I meant to have more up but by the time I got the workshop up, and the power generator, and the uplink up, I didn't have enough money to buy satellites. Didn't help that I was got absolutely thrashed in the last 4 or 5 missions I did, so I wasn't earning money or units.
Castor Krieg
Banned
Classic Ironman, finally decided to do the
in October. They throw everything at me except Elite Mutons, I kill everything. Only one guy got shot for measly 10HP.
Final room, let's do it!
He's there, quickly, rush and stun him!
Ok, he
one of ours, no biggie, everyone is at full health.
Heavy shots, 4HP left.
NOW!
He panics another Heavy, he shots back at him. Dead.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Alien Base
Final room, let's do it!
He's there, quickly, rush and stun him!
Ok, he
MC'ed
Heavy shots, 4HP left.
NOW!
He panics another Heavy, he shots back at him. Dead.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Haeleos
Member
Does anyone have an animated gif of the Thin Man intro cutscene... the one that looks like this: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/2012/09/xcom7.jpg
weekend_warrior
Banned
If you can find a video of it I can make you a GIF.
Impeccable
Member
What's the general consensus on how to start a game on Classic?
I know to build two sats right off the bat... but in terms of research, engineers, etc. what is the optimal way to get going or stay ahead of the curve?
I know to build two sats right off the bat... but in terms of research, engineers, etc. what is the optimal way to get going or stay ahead of the curve?
Impeccable
Member
I had that but began slipping slowly, I think I prioritize too many engineers.
Do you straight line it to laser weapons?
Hmm not really, much more for armor and the officer training school so I can bring a rookie with me to capture me some alien weapons.
have you played civ5?
Well, it certainly won't get your heart beating. It is rather slow paced compared to xcom.
I did it a LP once for a fanforum, have a look if you want to. Sadly no commentary, sorry - but should give you an idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OetvsuTJbE&list=PLF9ACC30C7ADF2A9B&feature=mh_lolz
If you have access to a PS3, check out Valkyria Chronicles. It's more linear in its mission structure but you do get to mess around with squad selection, weapon upgrades etc between missions.
I've never actually allowed one of those things to attack my squad. I still wonder what their attack is.
Don't spoil it - one of these days one of those suckers is going to be left standing long enough to show me ;-)
Lostconfused
Member
Unless I am interpreting it incorrectly that chart for flanking rules isn't entirely accurate.
This should absolutely be a flanking shot, the soldier steps out of cover to shoot the sectoid. But it seems like it still gets the half cover bonus.
This should absolutely be a flanking shot, the soldier steps out of cover to shoot the sectoid. But it seems like it still gets the half cover bonus.
The game still treats it as though you were firing from the location you're standing in when you choose Fire. You're one tile away
Lostconfused
Member
Yup, that's why I am saying the diagram is slightly inaccurate. Also I hate that map.
Fragamemnon
Member
Overwatch traps and getting lucky with maps and promotions in the first month or so+being very skilled with the game.
You can't roll up an Impossible Ironman game like you can a Civ 5 Deity game and expect to win or be competitive every time. You need luck to carry you on top of tight play.
Fuuuuuucking Thin Men on classic ironman, leaped up on a roof and one shot crit my sniper, then later jumped off a building to kill my VIP.
I need to Hunker Down more. I also need to stop putting snipers on roofs because it always ends terribly for me.
I need to Hunker Down more. I also need to stop putting snipers on roofs because it always ends terribly for me.
EDIT: never mind. Cars are usually half cover, unless they're the rear ends of SUVs or something. What percentage shot does that net?
Yeah that's still my major problem with Xcom on Impossible. Just like Classic, aim for alot Sats early and hope you get lucky playing missions. And with lucky I mean playing perfectly and hitting the important shots.
That's pretty much it ...
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Lostconfused
Member
It's probably the distance, or something. I am sure that if soldier was sitting on the edge of the car the alien is taking cover at then it would count as a flanking shot.
weekend_warrior
Banned
I think it's because you're behind the perpendicular line of cover. It doesn't matter it your guys pops out during the animation, the alien is still considered behind cover from that angle.
CambriaRising
Member
Still bullshit. It should be flanked.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I think it's because you're behind the perpendicular line of cover. It doesn't matter it your guys pops out during the animation, the alien is still considered behind cover from that angle.
Nah, if that was you peeking around the corner of a building, that sectoid would have been totally flanked.
Echoing that.
I'd do it if there were no animations whatsoever. Just super-snappy 2D. The eye-candy (if you can call it that) makes it laborious and I think hearing Dr. Vahlen be excited for the umpteenth time at discovering aliens or nag me about blowing aliens up is what drives me more insane than actually losing.Yeah that's still my major problem with Xcom on Impossible. Just like Classic, aim for alot Sats early and hope you get lucky playing missions. And with lucky I mean playing perfectly and hitting the important shots.
That's pretty much it ...
Perhaps I missed something in the tutorial, but as far as I could tell they never bother to explain what a red shield or yellow shield means.
I understand now that red means in direct line of fire. Yellow is still a mystery.
The core game is lots of fun, but it really feels unfinished to me.
I understand now that red means in direct line of fire. Yellow is still a mystery.
The core game is lots of fun, but it really feels unfinished to me.
Yeah that's still my major problem with Xcom on Impossible. Just like Classic, aim for alot Sats early and hope you get lucky playing missions. And with lucky I mean playing perfectly and hitting the important shots.
That's pretty much it ...
Just trying to get over the hump of the first month or two now. I've made it 4 missions in, but then a council mission wrecked my corporal sniper/corporal assault, and my heavy and other assault died in the next mission, game over after that.
Yellow means you are flanking or are being flanked.
Basileus777
Member
I hate how the game takes away control from you when dialogue is playing. It's a strategy game, I can do stuff while people are talking, let me keep control.
Thanks