Red Blaster
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Xenogears/Xenosaga games - worth it?
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SatelliteOfLove
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Sholmes said:
THAT was its name! UGH. That was after the part where
you had to bust into the downed spacecraft from the openning cinema; I was like "nice, I get to see this 10k year old city-sized ship with this outer space life-form entity deal-thingie as the boss!" and I got one tough as shit battle and then THAT.
TekunoRobby
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Let's ask the children of the world if XenoSaga is worth playing!demi said:
France: Non
Italy: No
Spain: No
Germany: Nein
Belgium: Nee
Greece: Oxi
Brazil: Nao
Russia: Nyet
Japan: I-ie
China: Bu
MISSION COMPLETE
Red Blaster
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Yeah Xenosaga is for dumbheads. Don't play that one. It has none of the awesome GOD KILLING ROBOTS AND NOW CLICHE ANGST WITH MARTIAL ARTS that Xenogears does.
Thanks. I forgot how bad the pacing was at points. Like you mentioned, a huge planetary battle is reduced to lines of text on a static background image, while something mundane like powering up a generator or walking out of an emergency hatch is given excruiating detail. Ugh.ronito said:
Prince of Space
Banned
Xenogears, like Final Fantasy VII, is a game I wouldn't fault you for thinking is cool. If you were 15.
Those of us with any sense see it as a story that had potential, but fell to pieces once God got involved. Xenosaga is the same -- wasted potential.
Those of us with any sense see it as a story that had potential, but fell to pieces once God got involved. Xenosaga is the same -- wasted potential.
Son of Godzilla
Banned
So umm, what the hell is coming out for DS?
Right, because FFVII had such redeemable qualities about such as a good cast, planned out story, good soundtrack, interesting battle system...
Oh wait, FFVII had none of those. Xenogears, on the other hand, did.
Plus, FFVII won't die. It's crappiness continues to live on. At least those who dislike Xenogears give it a rest.
UltraMarioMan
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Ignore the Gears haters, its not their fault they have ADD.
Red Scarlet
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:lol
Prince of Space
Banned
Fixed.
FFVII had a decent OST, and a story just as "deep" as Xenogears. Neither had an engaging battle system.
Bizarro Sun Yat-sen
Banned
Xenogears gets my seal of approval, but just barely. 6/10
I haven't played either Xenosaga as I don't have a PS2.
I haven't played either Xenosaga as I don't have a PS2.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Throughout the entire first disc of Xenogears, I felt the game was walking a very fine line. It was far too heavy on dialogue and too light on interaction, and the whole way through it was almost enough to make me stop playing. But the story, music, and combat were all good enough that I never quite put it down.
Then I got to disc 2. The second disc takes the "too much dialogue, not enough interaction" aspect and multiplies it by about a hundred.
Then I got to disc 2. The second disc takes the "too much dialogue, not enough interaction" aspect and multiplies it by about a hundred.
If it came out pre-SNES...
Agreed, but if given the choice, I'd pick Xenogears. Discovering combos was interesting rather than ANOTHER ATB + menu based system (again, pre-SNES here, hm.) plus you had the geas system, which was much better here than in Xenosaga.
And, are we talking Xenogears here, or Xenosaga Episode 2? At least that had a coherent ending...
Bizarro Sun Yat-sen
Banned
Dunno what you mean by "deep" but XG obviously had a lot more thought and detail put into its setting, backstory, etc. The battles aren't great but they at least have some semblance of balance, compared to FF7/8's horrible brokenness.
Prince of Space
Banned
I'm talking OST quality, not synth quality. FFVII had some decent music.
Yes, blindly punching in random buttons hoping to unlock a new combo sounds like loads of fun.
Just saying that, like FFVII, the Xeno series continues to live on.
BlueTsunami
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Every single RPG that has ever come out can be given the "The storyline was good if you were 15" monicker. The game was just memorable but its naive to think that every single person would like it. But to give it that monicker given above would be false because i'm sure there are people that are getting into this game (as adulst and RPG fan) that are well above the age of 15.
I'd rather have Xenogears that uses a plot device thats overused but pulls it off well than a RPG that tries to hard to break the mold and do everything possible to not use cliches.
I'd rather have Xenogears that uses a plot device thats overused but pulls it off well than a RPG that tries to hard to break the mold and do everything possible to not use cliches.
Yes, FFVII had some decent music. For Uematsu, however, decent is pretty mediocre aside from One-Winged Angel and Aerith's Theme.
Say what you will about Xenogears (and I'm surprised this thread has been this positive about the game, I thought GAF hated this series), but Mitsuda had some pretty incredible stuff for the game.
And I guess we'll agree to disagree over the battle systems of both...thank God FFXII isn't another ATB system!
Say what you will about Xenogears (and I'm surprised this thread has been this positive about the game, I thought GAF hated this series), but Mitsuda had some pretty incredible stuff for the game.
And I guess we'll agree to disagree over the battle systems of both...thank God FFXII isn't another ATB system!
Shouta
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Duderz said:
That's because the group of RPG players that have been on the forum the longest (who were also the most vocal closer to when the game was released) don't like it in general. Since those folks (myself, Drinky, Pellham, Dragona, Scarlet and a few others) are still around, that perception still remains.
Red Blaster
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Alphonse said:
You guys are such party poopers.
Red Blaster
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Hey hey. I'm not going XENOGEARS ROX MY FACE AND COCK COMBINED ELLY IZ HOT CITAN IS BADAAAAAAAAAAAS IT HAS A BETTER STORY THAN CITIZEN KANE OMG WTF.
BlueTsunami
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Alphonse said:
I agree, although I have this deep anger when I hear critism about Xenogears. I think thats the only series were such a reaction comes out of me when it gets criticized....
;_; oh noes ;_;
Haven't gotten around to starting Xenosaga yet, but Xenogears is a love it or hate it type of game. It is one of my all time favorite rpgs and probably my favorite rpg on the PSX but it definitely has some warts. Overall, Xenogears has the best story I have ever seen in a rpg, and honestly nothing else I have played has even come close, but the gameplay in the game is horrible. If you could like a game with an epic story and probably the best rpg soundtrack of all time than try it out, but if you want a rpg with fun and deep gameplay try elsewhere.
Tellaerin said:Those of us with any sense recognize that the story's a Gnostic (not Judeo-Christian) parable, and appreciate it for what it is.(And the entire point was that
)Deus isn't God.
Gnosticism draws from many sources, including the Judeo-Christian traditions.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/gnostic2.htm
Red Scarlet
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BlueTsunami said:
*keeps a mental note*
P90 said:
You're not telling me anything I don't know, but thank you.
My point was that people who don't know a damn thing about Gnosticism are the ones who are the most outspoken about things like
how the game is supposedly about 'killing God' or how 'God is evil' - which isn't the case per se, but people are misled by the use of the word 'Deus' in the same way the Gnostics suggest we in the real world have been misled
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Red Scarlet said:
Gah!!!
*waits for extreme Xenogears low blow at some random time
Red Scarlet
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I have also not received a single PM since yours. Did you think I get a lot? :lol
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Red Scarlet said:
:O
lol yeah, thats typically what happens with a forum full of dudes
Tellaerin said:You're not telling me anything I don't know, but thank you.
My post was for clarification, mostly for lurkers. I figured you did know , but most do not know much about Gnosticism and its history. Your point is well taken.
<On soap box>
I notice that many Japanese developers seem to have a distorted view of western religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. I don't think they "get" gnosticism either. Their use of symbolism and dialog belies their misunderstanding. I haven't seen a western developer handle Shintoism or Buddhism well. Both east and west developers use Hindu symbols quite disrespectfully.
<Off soap box>
Back on topic, I never finished Xenogears. The battle system just turned me off. I sold if for a profit!
Bizarro Sun Yat-sen
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I PM her every hour (it's a cron job) with an algorithmically generated love letter. She pretends she doesn't see them, but I know the truth.
Red Blaster
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Diablos said:
*cue O RLY*
Red Scarlet
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All these years? I came back in February of this year, after posting for like 5 months in 2001 (whenever DQ7 came out in Japan and Chrono Cross came out in the US, and when ohpa got to 10,000 posts).
Red Scarlet
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Still just being Zeo.
Despite the variety of different opinions for Gears, the Saga games seem a little more consistent in their reception..
Despite the variety of different opinions for Gears, the Saga games seem a little more consistent in their reception..
BlueTsunami
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ronito said:
It only works on the non fanatical males
Red Scarlet
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:lol you are so polar in your opinions. Lots of 'most' 'ever' and stuff.
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