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Yet another rant about shitty PSN speeds and Sony incompetence
- Thread starter Derpcrawler
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Stripper13
Member
My internet is terrible by comparison (thanks Australia)
That said, psn has been very fast for me on ps4... Much faster than when I was downloading games, patches etc on 360. I don't have an Xbone to compare, but I imagine it's much the same.
That said, psn has been very fast for me on ps4... Much faster than when I was downloading games, patches etc on 360. I don't have an Xbone to compare, but I imagine it's much the same.
SwiftDeath
Member
Yes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_switch
In laymens terms it's a router without all that wireless networking duehickery
It came way way before wireless networking though. Honestly it terrifies me a little when people don't know about network switches because it's fairly common to not know about them and is a fairly basic form of networking
With the exception of the VPN connection you have to admit that your setup is a fringe case, OP. Obviously that doesn't excuse the sucky speeds.
Still, can't say I can spot any obvious flaws in your setup. Maybe triple-check your port forwarding settings. You shouldn't be able to achieve Type 2 NAT if they were bungled, but better safe than sorry. Maybe there's an oddity with your router hard/software. Too aggressive IDS on underpowered hardware can slow down a fast connection to crawling speeds because every packet needs to be parsed, and that takes time.
Still, can't say I can spot any obvious flaws in your setup. Maybe triple-check your port forwarding settings. You shouldn't be able to achieve Type 2 NAT if they were bungled, but better safe than sorry. Maybe there's an oddity with your router hard/software. Too aggressive IDS on underpowered hardware can slow down a fast connection to crawling speeds because every packet needs to be parsed, and that takes time.
Just get a cheap switch and link that cable, your PC and consoles to that. Far less hassle than running two or more cables from the router to your room.
Derpcrawler
Member
I've already put PS4 into DMZ zone. And I am running Asus AC68U router, more than capable of 500Mbps fiber. I tried running VPN on router, but it's too weak to provide even 50Mbps over OpenVPN + it adds a lot of extra latency in online multilayer games.
They are super cheap, and exactly what you need. $10-20 on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000926631
staticneuron
Member
I have used PSN in both florida and california using same router and comparable speeds. The performance was different depending on location.
I think people are probably telling the truth but I am not sure if it has anything to do with PSN (service) per say. To me it seems as if there is an issue with ports and settings. The PS3 and the PS4 do not require the PSN to surf the web. Simply use the Internet browser and see if you can test your connection that way. If you are still having issues then it is most likely not the PSN.
pharmboy044
Member
I just checked and I'm getting 26 down/3 up (wired). Pretty happy with my PSN speeds. Hopefully OP you can find a solution to your problem.
I see that you are using DD-WRT. Let me share this trick I did to pretty much get rid of any issues when it comes to PSN. Tried this with a PS3 and Vita.
1. Use your local ISP's DNS.
2. Open DD-WRT's gui.
3. Choose services.
4. Make sure DNSMasq and local DNS are enabled.
5. Enter the following into the additional DNSMasq options:
address=/apollo.dl.playstation.net/xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
address=/ares.dl.playstation.net/xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
address=/zeus.dl.playstation.net/xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
address=/b0.ww.np.dl.playstation.net/xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
address=/qs.ww.np.dl.playstation.net/xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
server=/playstation.net/yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy
yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy must be your local ISP's DNS.
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx, now this one is trickier. I found out the closest and fastest data centre of PSN when it comes to my ISP by using PS3.ProxyServer made by CF35B. By using this, one should determine the IPs of the servers where downloads, patches, etc are being taken from. It works in random. Once you pause a download and resume it, the logs will show different IPs. Try to get as many server IPs you can get and do a ping or trace route to determine which is closer and faster to you. Once you figure it out, use it for the xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.
Good luck.
edit: I almost forgot. Make sure QoS is not preventing the PS4 from getting the maximum bandwidth available to it.
1. Use your local ISP's DNS.
2. Open DD-WRT's gui.
3. Choose services.
4. Make sure DNSMasq and local DNS are enabled.
5. Enter the following into the additional DNSMasq options:
address=/apollo.dl.playstation.net/xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
address=/ares.dl.playstation.net/xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
address=/zeus.dl.playstation.net/xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
address=/b0.ww.np.dl.playstation.net/xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
address=/qs.ww.np.dl.playstation.net/xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
server=/playstation.net/yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy
yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy must be your local ISP's DNS.
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx, now this one is trickier. I found out the closest and fastest data centre of PSN when it comes to my ISP by using PS3.ProxyServer made by CF35B. By using this, one should determine the IPs of the servers where downloads, patches, etc are being taken from. It works in random. Once you pause a download and resume it, the logs will show different IPs. Try to get as many server IPs you can get and do a ping or trace route to determine which is closer and faster to you. Once you figure it out, use it for the xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.
Good luck.
edit: I almost forgot. Make sure QoS is not preventing the PS4 from getting the maximum bandwidth available to it.
You may have a really good point here.....
The last playstation networking product I had any luck with was the broadband adapter for the ps2.
The rest of them PSP/PS3/Vita have all sucked ass. Barely any improvement when I wired the PS3. Handles in house traffic just fine with a DLNA server but downloading anything is a set it and forget it proposition. The wifi on the portables is spotty, doesn't get full bars even next to the router and is slow as dirt.
The rest of them PSP/PS3/Vita have all sucked ass. Barely any improvement when I wired the PS3. Handles in house traffic just fine with a DLNA server but downloading anything is a set it and forget it proposition. The wifi on the portables is spotty, doesn't get full bars even next to the router and is slow as dirt.
graywolf323
Member
wait, since when did the Xbox One have wireless AC? pretty sure it doesn't
there was even a thread here on GAF lamenting the fact none of the new consoles supported AC back around launch
there was even a thread here on GAF lamenting the fact none of the new consoles supported AC back around launch
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
You must be trolling.
PSN is amazing, people have been able to download whole games in just 4 GB's!
With that type of compression you don't need that fast speed.
PSN is amazing, people have been able to download whole games in just 4 GB's!
With that type of compression you don't need that fast speed.
Overall, threads like these are annoyance and strong emotion talking. We all get upset when it takes us longer than we would like to play a game, it happens to me too. But taken in the big picture, it's a drop in the bucket, try not to worry about it too much. Take a walk, down the stress levels, feel better. It's all good.
Guy said it takes three days to download a game compared to a couple of hours on xbox. Taking a walk just isn't going to cunt it lol.
FWIW Op, I live in Aus (and hardwire my consoles) and PSN has always been a bucket a shit (over three different ISP's) Nothing I have done has been able t fix the problem and I honestly believe that the PSN network just isn't as equipped as live. Ultimately, I'd do what you're already doing and vote with your digital feet. I'll still buy retail Playstation stuff, but don't touch their digital anymore.
I get good speeds so I really don't know what to say.
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KojiKnight
Member
Sony's servers are poo for me and have been with all of their systems. 60mbps connection and I get 200-500kb downloads on PS3 and Vita... as someone who likes pure digital, it's terrible and frustrating. I just leave my PS3 on overnight for downloads, something I haven't done since I had dial up. (combination of their shitty network speeds and how much larger games have gotten).
ChiliManiac
Banned
In IT you HAVE to take anecdotal evidence as a means for further investigation, or rather anything that isn't competently outlandish and his complaint is valid just as anybody elses. Ignoring complaints like these are actually detrimental to the experience of the Play Station its self if this is indeed true. Sony should investigate. Or would you have completely ignored what Microsoft did with the pre launch announcements and say everything was ok and dandy? You can't have these double standards if you want the playstation to be better as well.
YaLiShanDa
Neo Member
welcome to the "Online Playstation gaming sucks in China" man
I'm also in China (Shanghai) and have found XBL speeds to be much much better than the ones I get on the PSN for my PS3/PS4 (don't even start me on the PSV)
I can only assume that speeds are better on the Xbox because MSFT reroutes you to the closest servers (which might be in china or somewhere close by), whereas Sony routes you to the server closest to your PSN account. Let's say you have US PSN account (as I have), then Sony would put you on US servers. The latest exemple is a 4GB download which took 2 days to download 500Mo without VPN and 30 minutes on the LA server to DL the whole thing.
BTW, I'd be interested to know which VPN provider you're sing (Astrill?), and on which server you get the best speeds.
Also, given your speed test results, am I right to assume you're on a China Telco 100M connection? If so, is it worth the upgrade from 20M?
Derpcrawler
Member
Thanks man, I am gonna test this out.
breakfuss
Member
I have my PS4 wired for this very reason but then my save files stopped uploading automatically so then I switched to wifi and it worked again but now that doesn't work either so i just switched back to wired and now my connection is stable again but still no automatic save uploads which sucks because i hear watch_dog save files have been corrupting so hopefully i'm mindful enough to manually upload after each session because lord knows i cant slosh through that opening act again but yeah op just ethernet that bad boy up although i must say vita strangely has good speeds so idk really.
Derpcrawler
Member
Yeah, Assdrill, but I plan to change it when my sub expires. And if you want to upgrade just for the sake of PSN speeds - don't bother, they will remain shit. Xbox on the other hand pulls 100-200Mbps now for me, takes minutes to download games.
Also XBL server is redirecting me to either Seattle or San Jose it seems, at least looking at Geo location of IPs Xbox One establish connection with.
Let me know how it goes. I don't have a PS4 but I doubt those links will not work. From what I have gathered, the links are:
apollo = Vita download list icons and some others I think
ares/zeus = downloads (games/demos) for PS3 and Vita
b0.ww.np = PS3 game patches
qs.ww.np = Vita game patches
I use wireless by the way.
plasmawave
Banned
PS4 wired, in DMZ (did you try it?) I didn't do anything else. It's not great but also not that bad. The closest DL server is probably in the Netherlands so about 1000 km from me.
Sucks?
Derpcrawler
Member
The challenge now is to find the server which doesn't suck, or at least doesn't suck that bad.
No, sukces.
Lucky for me, I found one being hosted by my own ISP. Downloads are extremely fast. Hopefully they host PS Now so that latency is lower.
They've been really bad for me as well in the last few weeks. I have a 75Mbps down connection, but PSN hasn't been higher than 13Mbps. Took me overnight to download Watch Dogs, which sucked.
My Xbox One however, has no problem nearly maxing out my speeds.
Its been really irritating.
YaLiShanDa
Neo Member
maybe so but up until the last generation games were an average of 9GB whereas now they're upwards 50GB.
I never used to care much and would let the game download overnight. One night is no big deal right?
But nowadays when even indie games tend to be more than a few Gs it pisses me off to have to wait several days to download a game.
I wouldn't even mention this issue if all other platforms had identical issues. But as far as i'm concerned XBL and Steam speeds are amazingly high. So like the OP i'm now considering getting an XBO just to get better DL speeds...and that pretty much sucks big time....
And I think people posting rants or complaining about it are merely trying to get the attention of Sony so that they can finally fix this issue.
Anyway, just my 2 mao~~
YaLiShanDa
Neo Member
weird. The speeds you pull on XBL, is it with or without the VPN on?
Derpcrawler
Member
Without VPN.
LMAOlol... excellent, DAwgh
Also lol http://youtu.be/cmM5HUVX6j0
Though I have not Xbox for comparison, I personally have had no problems that weren't the fault of Bell {FFS among the worst ISPs, second to Rogers} . PS3 had a few slow updates in like 2009-2011? maybe?
I do think there is merit to these claims, by nature of all the infrastructure to your house, or the hardware in it, I'm sure some combinations will have poor performance. For me its been my laptop wireless adapter twice.. my laptop is gimped while every other device in house works fine..
Sony's PSN should keep striving to work through network problems like these, I think it would be good competency for developing and emerging markets, and for network security..?
YaLiShanDa
Neo Member
The issue must lie with Sony's servers then. I don't see any other explanation.
BTW, 2 friends reported that using the following DNS servers 168.126.63.1 (South Korea) / 168.95.1.1 (Taiwan) on the HK PSN works well. Give it a try and see if it helps.
100% agree with you, OP.
I have a 50 down/10 up (Comcast) in Salt Lake City, I use a wired connection on PS4 and get 25-30 down, 1-3 up.
Vita gets 5-10 down, 1-3 up.
Pretty shitty speeds. Don't know how much this is down to PSN, and how much is the horrid internet chips in the machines.
I have a 50 down/10 up (Comcast) in Salt Lake City, I use a wired connection on PS4 and get 25-30 down, 1-3 up.
Vita gets 5-10 down, 1-3 up.
Pretty shitty speeds. Don't know how much this is down to PSN, and how much is the horrid internet chips in the machines.
*Connection speeds are estimates only
The only problem is that diagnostic menu is a POS. I have 100Mbs down and that screen reports some random number around 15Mbs. I download games at or very close to 100Mbs. Games are stored on CDNs like Akamai or Level3 and their download rate have nothing to do with Sony.
Here's a shot a took when MGSV:GZ came out and the download just started.
I'm feeling lazy but I'll see if I can get a shot of that diag screen.
EDIT: I stand corrected, that screen is spot on now. It used to suck. Now for some reason you can't take a screenshot of the settings menus, WTF?
The only problem is that diagnostic menu is a POS. I have 100Mbs down and that screen reports some random number around 15Mbs. I download games at or very close to 100Mbs. Games are stored on CDNs like Akamai or Level3 and their download rate have nothing to do with Sony.
Here's a shot a took when MGSV:GZ came out and the download just started.
I'm feeling lazy but I'll see if I can get a shot of that diag screen.
EDIT: I stand corrected, that screen is spot on now. It used to suck. Now for some reason you can't take a screenshot of the settings menus, WTF?
Prototype Viktor
Member
My poor 50mbps connection only hits 85% of its max speed on WiFi. Dam you Sony
I doubt anyone could say it's not at least twice as fast/good as it use to be overal
boredandlazy
Member
I work in IT, and when someone has an issue the first thing you do is check to make sure it isn't user error or that person's individual equipment. You don't immediately paint the entire infrastructure as shit.
My comment wasn't aimed at the idea that some people are having issues, it was directed at the fanboyish generalization that was being made.
Anyway what should Sony investigate exactly? Why this person is having speed issues connecting to their network from a region that the console hasn't even been released in yet?
And somehow trying to relate this to the Microsoft DRM? What?
Chairmanchuck
Member
"Why would you want to live there?"
Your save files not uploading automaticaly problem is related to 1.70 firmware. Has nothing to do with network config. Wait for a new PS4 firmware.
YaLiShanDa
Neo Member
I also work in IT and I agree that when it comes to networking there are so many variables that it's hard to put blame on something specific.
I personally always use google to search for answers that might help resolve my issues before going on forums to complain/rant about it. However, in this specific case, and the reason why i'm even bothering responding here, is that the low speeds on the PSN are somewhat affecting a minority but still large number of PSN users. Just google it and you'll see just how widespread this thing is.
So yeah, we probably have no right to complain because we're in a country for which the PS3/PS4 hasn't been officially released yet (although technically they've both been released in HK and Macao which are regions of China) but maybe if enough people voice their issues Sony might investigate it?
Sword Of Doom
Member
I downloaded the 5gb Wolfenstein patch in like 10minutes the other day so I can't relate with any of this
The_R3medy
Banned
In my experience, PSN is better to download stuff through then Xbox One's Xbox Live. On 360 compared to PS3, the 360 was far better. It's just after downloading full games like Forza and them taking so long to download and install on Xbone that I hated it.