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[Mockingbird]

We're not hear to talk about the past.

history must be studied.

 

[bryehn]

Guess they really like footlongs in Greece.

Wow😕

 

[Dark_castle]

Felt bad for the girls.

 

[FZZ]

The part about them doing it just for food makes my heart hurt

Jesus christ man

 

[FUME5]

So incredibly depressing.

 

[SURGEdude]

Guess they really like footlongs in Greece.

When I read the price, all I could think of was this scene:

Who knew a $2 hoe really existed?

Yikes.

 

[Mad Season]

this is terrible

 

[themagicalkitsune]

Do you also have extensive experience with the prostitution industry post economic collapse?

What a silly post.

For what it's worth I also spoke with some greek friends today and they knew about the article but didn't see a surge of cheap prostitution or a significantly worsened state of affairs. I'm aware anecdotal evidence means nil when you have numbers, but I do think the article is blowing stuff out of proportion.

 

[philz]

Was he banned for that?

 

[MagnesD3]

I like all the upset people who are mad at the first post, give me a break lighten up PC crowd.

 

[Foffy]

I like all the upset people who are mad at the first post, give me a break lighten up PC crowd.

The exploitation of children is not a particularly funny thing, and that was stated as early as the OP.

 

[Risible]

I read the OP and my first thought was "That is horrible."

My second thought was "I bet first post will be the planesunset.jpg and that guy will have been banned.

I scrolled down and came to the realization I've been on GAF for far too many years.

Also, wow at so many people thinking this is news that should be joked about. Haha, women prostituting themselves to feed themselves. It's a laugh riot!

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

I like all the upset people who are mad at the first post, give me a break lighten up PC crowd.

"This doesn't upset me so it shouldn't upset anyone else."


Okay man.

 

[victreeb3l]

That is just depressing. I had no idea things were that bad in Greece.

Guess they really like footlongs in Greece.

Bruh

Really

 

[Yagharek]

Dear god, its like this thread is evidence of a major deficit in empathy in the western world.

This shit isn't funny, and people making jokes about poverty driven sex workers are fucking tasteless idiots.

 

[psynergylover]

"The study comes after a shocking report last month of an unemployed Greek mother pimping her 12-year-old daughter to a priest and a retired man for money"

wow...just wow....so sad

 

[Dark_castle]

You know, fuck all the people who accepted the girls' service, paying them measly 2 to 3 pounds for sexual service, especially those with well-paying jobs. Be a human, give them some money to have a meal so that they don't starve to death, not take advantage of their unfortunate condition and make their life miserable. For fuck sake.

 

[MagnesD3]

"This doesn't upset me so it shouldn't upset anyone else."


Okay man.

I think people should have thicker skin, wont get very far in life without it.

 

[ButtSLAM420]

How exactly could Greece fix itself?

Leave the EU and just start nationalizing pretty much everything? It'll tank it's economy (or what's left of it) but it's people will be at the very least fed.

 

[Apt101]

I knew before I clicked that the first post was going to be a blue joke that got someone banned.

This situation is terrible and I wonder if it's reflected in other countries suffering widespread unemployment.

 

[Red Hood]

So you're saying you're into 12 year old prostitutes, huh?

Terrible situation all around, but hyperbole much? It says most of them are between 17 and 20 years old and that's fine by me.

 

[perfectchaos007]

You know, fuck all the people who accepted the girls' service, paying them measly 2 to 3 pounds for sexual service, especially those with well-paying jobs. Be a human, give them some money to have a meal so that they don't starve to death, not take advantage of their unfortunate condition and make their life miserable. For fuck sake.

I agree they should be given more money than what they are asking but this is in Europe so whatever sleezeball customers they get won't tip.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Some of these "jokes" in here...yeesh. Some r/redpill shit.

 

[Nivash]

How exactly could Greece fix itself?

Leave the EU and just start nationalizing pretty much everything? It'll tank it's economy (or what's left of it) but it's people will be at the very least fed.

People aren't starving to death, it's not that bad. It's an economic crisis, not a humanitarian one. Greece can feed itself.

The options basically are:

1) Stay the course and hope that things stabilise later on once Greek wages are made competitive enough (as in low) and enough state expenses are cut to balance the budget. Spend most of the century paying off the debt. It's a depressing road to take with generations having to live in perpetual financial crisis.

2) Default and leave the Euro to reinstate a potentially near-worthless drachma. Imports are instantly made much more expensive so food riots and fuel shortages could happen unless the EU steps in with aid. Wages will likely take a huge hit very quickly. Greece will not be able to borrow money for decades. On the upside the toxic debt is gone and things will start improving, but it's a scary road to take because of the consequences early on.

It's pretty obvious that no matter what Greece does it won't be able to return to the pre-crisis standard of living for a long, long time. The situation will likely keep deteriorating to the point that Greece becomes more like the Balkan countries. Leaving the EU would be pure idiocy though, Greece would lose access the internal market. It would require even more drastic cuts in prices (passed on to the Greek working wages, of course) to stay competitive.

 

[Glasshole]

You know, fuck all the people who accepted the girls' service, paying them measly 2 to 3 pounds for sexual service, especially those with well-paying jobs. Be a human, give them some money to have a meal so that they don't starve to death, not take advantage of their unfortunate condition and make their life miserable. For fuck sake.

Well-paying jobs? Where? In greece?

 

[poppabk]

I knew before I clicked that the first post was going to be a blue joke that got someone banned.

This situation is terrible and I wonder if it's reflected in other countries suffering widespread unemployment.

Are people just learning the realities of prostitution? I'm pretty sure this happens the world over.

 

[Nightbird]

At first I laughed, then I finished reading the OP, and cringed

 

[James]

People aren't starving to death, it's not that bad. It's an economic crisis, not a humanitarian one. Greece can feed itself.

Not sure if this is a reliable source, but it suggests there could potentially be a malnutrition problem.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...fter-five-years-of-unrelenting-austerity.html

 

[sirap]

Huh. I did not know the situation in Greece had gotten that bad.

 

[Social]

let's be real here, none of this is probably true.

 

[ramparter]

let's be real here, none of this is probably true.

Probably not like that but there are more and more reports about college girls doing this and there are also a few cases of parents forcing their under age kids.

(Btw I live in Athens.)

Ironically this photo suits my country's situation in the opposite way. People are leaving.

 

[Nivash]

Not sure if this is a reliable source, but it suggests there could potentially be a malnutrition problem.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...fter-five-years-of-unrelenting-austerity.html

There probably are isolated cases and at-risk groups in the poorest of the poor but it's not a systemic issue related to food availability as far as I'm aware. It mostly seems to be a problem with poorer families no longer being able to afford a balanced diet rather than that they are outright starving. I could be wrong, but I can't find any reports from the last year indicating that the country isn't feeding itself and I assume it would be all over the news if that was the case.

Don't get me wrong: the situation in Greece is bad and there is actual need for aid even on the nutritional level. But it doesn't appear to be starvation levels of bad.

 

[SoCoRoBo]

The free market at work, right capitalist-gaf?

I hope these people get some support from their government or others.

This is dumb and reductive. Most EU countries have benefited hugely from trade liberalisation (which is in fact the free market at work). Among the biggest reasons for Greece's current predicament are decades of governmental corruption, incompetence and over-borrowing coupled with a poisonous bailout package imposed by EU leaders and made far worse by the utter incompetence of a far-left government.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

This is dumb and reductive. Most EU countries have benefited hugely from trade liberalisation (which is in fact the free market at work). Among the biggest reasons for Greece's current predicament are decades of governmental corruption, incompetence and over-borrowing coupled with a poisonous bailout package imposed by EU leaders and made far worse by the utter incompetence of a far-left government.

Speaking of corruption and incompetence, could you remind of whose responsability it was to check the financial situation of these sub-human greeks before allowing them into the euro, again?

Swallowing whole and without questions the EU propaganda, I see.

 

[Nikodemos]

Most EU countries have benefited hugely from trade liberalisation (which is in fact the free market at work).

Indeed. However, they did not benefit from the Euro. The only country who truly did was Germany (and, secondarily, some countries who hitched their economic wagons to Germany's locomotive, like Czechia and Netherlands).

Spain didn't benefit, Italy didn't benefit, Greece didn't benefit, even France didn't benefit as much (proportionally) as Germany.

 

[SoCoRoBo]

Speaking of corruption and incompetence, could you remind of whose responsability it was to check the financial situation of these sub-human greeks before allowing them into the euro, again?

Swallowing whole and without questions the EU propaganda, I see.

Did you miss the part of my post where I referred to the terms of the bailout as being poisonous? I think the way the EU has acted with regard to the Greek Crisis is reprehensible and completely short-sighted. I have nothing but sympathy for the ordinary Greek people. But as a matter of fact, Greece was rife with corruption prior to the Crisis and successive governments acted increasingly irresponsibly in their borrowing. That's a direct cause, the most important one, of the situation that Greece is in.

It does not make sense to blame the situation in Greece on free markets when so much of it is attributable to mismanagement at the national level in Greece and irresponsibility at the supranational level in the EU. It's a very complicated situation and taking the 'good job capitalism' tack is just lazy, drive-by posting crap.

No idea where you're getting the sub-human thing either. Work on your reading comprehension.

 

[RootCause]

Tragic story. People shouldn't have to suffer that way.

Depressing, and its likely going to get worse

Gta has to be the most unintentionally funny game ever.

 

[cjp]

No, greek women are not having sex for a sandwich" says professor, refuting the Times article (greek article) (tovima.gr)

http://www.tovima.gr/society/article/?aid=757758

TLDR: The journalist misquoted a survey and such incidents do not occur in Greece. Translation by me and google
Prof.. Grigoris Lazos denies the report in The Times of London titled «Greek students have sex for food», which carries his statement saying that Greek female students are turning to prostution in order to feed themselves.
The report, which according to the professor, is apparently based on a misunderstanding of the author, offers easy "food" to the readers of the newspaper based on stereotypes and exaggerations spread abroad on the effects of the crisis in our country.
Mr. Lazos says in "To Vima" he never said something like that in the newspaper as the long research in the field of prostitution in Greece has come to no such conclusion. "I do not deny that this would have happened, but I think we are talking about insignificant sizes. However I have not recorded it "says Mr. Lazos.
According to a report in the British newspaper, Greek women today, are dominating the domestic prostitution industry, displacing those of eastern Europe. Sex offered in Greece is one of the cheapest in Europe.
There is clearly an increase in the rates of prostitution in our country, says Mr. Lazos in "to vima" and the figure is around 12 to 12.5% overall and clearly linked to the crisis.
"This figure is not insignificant when one realizes that this increase is not followed by any reduction of their respective populations," says Mr. Lazos.
He also states the existence of a number of almost 300 men in the prostitution ring in Greece and cannot calculate the percentage of child prostitution.
"There are children but fortunately in such cases the police have an aggressive attitude," he says. Lazos generally adds that the special feature of recent years is the extreme impoverishment of women involved in prostitution.
"The state has unfortunately decided to ignore the phenomenon, there's no welfare. In Greece when you talk about prostitution, you deliver everything to the free market "emphasizes characteristically.
p.s I actually took some courses under this prof while studying in Greece. He's the only specialist in the field of prostitution in the country and I never imagined that he could have published something so wrong. I was right. Furthermore, he's a great guy with plenty of stories to tell
edit: some translation errors

https://reddit.com/r/europe/comments/3ular0/no_greek_women_are_not_having_sex_for_a_sandwich/cxfqm5s

 

[xenist]

The "great" British press strikes again.

 

[True Savior]

Did you miss the part of my post where I referred to the terms of the bailout as being poisonous? I think the way the EU has acted with regard to the Greek Crisis is reprehensible and completely short-sighted. I have nothing but sympathy for the ordinary Greek people. But as a matter of fact, Greece was rife with corruption prior to the Crisis and successive governments acted increasingly irresponsibly in their borrowing. That's a direct cause, the most important one, of the situation that Greece is in.

It does not make sense to blame the situation in Greece on free markets when so much of it is attributable to mismanagement at the national level in Greece and irresponsibility at the supranational level in the EU. It's a very complicated situation and taking the 'good job capitalism' tack is just lazy, drive-by posting crap.

No idea where you're getting the sub-human thing either. Work on your reading comprehension.

Greece , along Portugal and Germany had the best primary balance of European Union in 2014. I reiterate. The BEST primary balance. They are not mismanaged right now.

The difference is the interests the two first countries are paying from their loans which keeps creating public debt which leads to more interests. They created their debt (along PT) , so they must pay for it. But not at the rates they were obliged to accept for quite a while. This is called agiotage. It's a crime. Sadly EU did nothing against it. This is very much a problem that keeps being sustained by a free market situation.

What should happen to Greece is exactly what happened to Germany in the post-War. The debt payment should be directly associated to the growth of the economy along other economical indexes.

 

[Kieli]

Do you also have extensive experience with the prostitution industry post economic collapse?

What a silly post.

You don't need to be an expert (nor do you need to be a witness at the actual event) in order to have a say....

Not that the person you quoted backed his opinion up with evidence or anything, but my point still stands.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Greek-GAF, is it really that bad?

I'm not in Greece. In Australia, but a few of my relatives have just come back from Greece and no, they tell me it's nowhere near as bad as its being made out. Remember, I think prostitution is legal in Greece, so you're going to get women willing to fuck for next to nothing in any country.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I'm not in Greece. In Australia, but a few of my relatives have just come back from Greece and no, they tell me it's nowhere near as bad as its being made out. Remember, I think prostitution is legal in Greece, so you're going to get women willing to fuck for next to nothing in any country.

From tourist hotspots?

 

[Rest]

Wow, I didn't know it had gotten so bad there. Literal $2 hookers? Shit must be tragic.

 

[Red Devil]

Okay that first post fucking sucks. This article is about women too poor, too desperate and too disenfranchised to feel like they have any other choice.

Considering all those "cheap currency pls" posts, it shouldn't be surprising.

 

[xenist]

Wow, I didn't know it had gotten so bad there. Literal $2 hookers? Shit must be tragic.

The article is completely wrong. There's a post about the professor that made the research refuting it literally five posts above.

 

[HawksWinStanley]

lol'd

And then lol'd more at the responses. It's a terrible situation but that's still a great first post.

 

[RedSonja]

Didn't a journalist misquote a survey... DEBUNKED

 

[way more]

Even if it is indeed true that this story is fake I still think you should all know how offended I am by that first post.