ShockingAlberto
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Augemitbutter said:
I did read those. They made no sense to me.
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"You're a WHAT!?" Nier Gestalt|Replicant |OT|
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ShockingAlberto said:
That's pretty broad dude... I think maybe you should have payed better attention to the story. Maybe go back and watch the ending on youtube or something.
When you first start the game you're playing as the final boss before he became a shadow. His daughter dies, and he brings her back inside of Yonah. Yonah feels bad for the girl and sacrifices herself by going into the sunlight (shadows are weak to the sun, remember?). So, Yonah goes back to normal, though obviously she's older now as it's been years since she was taken.
Both Devola and Popola aren't human, btw. They're androids from back when the original humans were still alive.
Both Devola and Popola aren't human, btw. They're androids from back when the original humans were still alive.
My explanation isn't the best, and I missed some stuff, but yeah... I ended the game not being confused at all.
Augemitbutter
Member
ShockingAlberto said:
you're not supposed to understand everything after one playthrough anyway, come back after you see the next ending.
Deep Crimson FoeGrumpyAlien said:
ShockingAlberto said:
Long ago, a disease struck modern Earth. This disease either killed people or turned them into bloodthirsty monsters. Nobody was immune from this disease, and it threatened to wipe out humanity completely.
In a last-ditch effort to save humanity, an experimental project called Project Gestalt was undertaken. This separated people's souls from their bodies so that they'd be safe from the disease (they are Gestalts), and created replacement bodies (Replicants) that the Gestalts would be returned to once the disease had been eradicated. Every human you meet in the game is a Replicant (the protagonist included) with the exception of Devola and Popola, who are androids created to oversee the Project. Every Shade you encounter is a Gestalt.
Unfortunately, there were flaws in the Gestalt-creation process, and over time, these Gestalt went feral. This damaged the population of both Gestalts and Replicants, imperiling the survival of humanity. With the disease eradicated, Devola and Popola encouraged the protagonist to find Grimoire Weiss and the Sealed Verses so that he and Noir could be merged and all the Gestalt could be returned to their Replicant bodies.
Important things to realize from this:
-Replicants cannot reproduce. All Replicants have lived for over a thousand years. Their sentience, however, is a relatively recent phenomenon.
-All Shades are human souls.
In a last-ditch effort to save humanity, an experimental project called Project Gestalt was undertaken. This separated people's souls from their bodies so that they'd be safe from the disease (they are Gestalts), and created replacement bodies (Replicants) that the Gestalts would be returned to once the disease had been eradicated. Every human you meet in the game is a Replicant (the protagonist included) with the exception of Devola and Popola, who are androids created to oversee the Project. Every Shade you encounter is a Gestalt.
Unfortunately, there were flaws in the Gestalt-creation process, and over time, these Gestalt went feral. This damaged the population of both Gestalts and Replicants, imperiling the survival of humanity. With the disease eradicated, Devola and Popola encouraged the protagonist to find Grimoire Weiss and the Sealed Verses so that he and Noir could be merged and all the Gestalt could be returned to their Replicant bodies.
Important things to realize from this:
-Replicants cannot reproduce. All Replicants have lived for over a thousand years. Their sentience, however, is a relatively recent phenomenon.
-All Shades are human souls.
The actual quasi-historical jargon babble is pretty ridiculous, but the revelations about you and your relationship to your antagonists are important, and the implications of those revelations are explored over the course of New Game+.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Alright, I'll work through new game+ and then go back and highlight these things.
I didn't feel like I was missing anything, just that revelations came out of nowhere.
I didn't feel like I was missing anything, just that revelations came out of nowhere.
Augemitbutter
Member
there will be new cutscenes throughout the game and additional story on previous. don't get trigger-happy on them.
OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather
Member
Add it to the list. By the time you finish Ending B, I guarantee it will be your GOTY and it will stay that way.ShockingAlberto said:
Femmeworth
Banned
You are in for a treat when you start your second play-through.ShockingAlberto said:
Just make sure you have a decent chunk of time ready before you start it, because you'll need it.greenjerk said:
I haven't been playing it much since I don't really have any friends to play it with atm. I've just been sticking to AC: Brotherhood and Netflix lately.
Got a few single player games I need to go through, which should take me up to the release of KZ3, and then I'll be jamming in the MP for that.
Mr_Appleby
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ninj4junpei said:
i did the sardines one, and the blowfish one, and then checked my uncompleteable quests list and saw i had one in there. At the mere sight of it uncontrollable waves of OCD toxin flooded my system and forced a reload. I reckon i ended up going about 3.5hrs back , and had to do the fishing quests again. i will say they get easier with practice.
and drugs.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I did all the fishing quests in an afternoon.
Fishing is really simple, even if the in-game instructions aren't great.
Fishing is really simple, even if the in-game instructions aren't great.
Windom Earle
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john tv said:You guys who have been praising Nier over the past year are awesome. I was out tonight with the game's creator (Taro Yoko) and one of the main planners, Nao Hakumoto, and I specifically told them about you (NeoGAF) and how much you've been supporting the game. Needless to say, they were really thankful and humbled.
BTW, just in case you haven't heard it yet, this 8-Bit remix of Nier music from the 15 Nightmares soundtrack is AMAZING: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h7HjSkAOeM
Awesome
Augemitbutter
Member
fishing was pretty fun for me after i got the hang of it. pretty addicting and a nice change of pace.
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
Going to start going for ending B this week. I actually 'miss' the game after not having played it for a month and a half since beating ending A.
Mr_Appleby
Member
1stStrike said:
It went heaps faster the second time since I knew what I was doing.. eg sardines first run i used about 40 bait to get 10. second it was 15.
the best bit about doing all the sidequests is Weiss bitching about it
Augemitbutter
Member
yes, the extra dialogue you get after beating a sidequest is well made. sometimes serious, but mostly shrewd.
Haunted
Member
Initial impressions after playing for 2 hours. (Lvl 7, just arrived at Seafront and fished that Shaman Fish).
Game is gud.
Negatives...
Game is already better than FFXIII, I just started and already visited two HD towns.
Game is gud.
- main character design is good - we need more ugly protagonists in games
- enemy design and modelling is good, especially the bosses
- the controls aren't janky, they're responsive
yeah ok the jumping is janky, shut up
- the combat system is accessible and immediate with its seamless mix of ranged and melee attacks
- this seems to be a pretty interesting world they've built there, I can see where the "feels like Zelda" sentiments are coming from
- I also like the book's voice
- I absolutely love the soundtrack so far (we need more music with lyrics in games!) - even though I found it's almost overbearing at times, so it's perfect when lowered a tad from the default
Negatives...
- outfit/design of Kaine is unbelievably shitty, totally embarrassing
- some technical issues here and there (textures, animations)
- strange tutorial priorities, sometimes explaining too much, sometimes explaining too little
- I can already tell that this game will be padded with lots of fetch quests if the first area is any indication :lol
- seriously, Kaine's design is so bad, I can't get over it
Game is already better than FFXIII, I just started and already visited two HD towns.
slaughterking
Member
The game itself is pretty aware of Kaines funny outfit, though. :lol
shaowebb
Member
Just bought this yesterday on a whim, and I am seriously blown away.
I can't believe how good this game feels to play. It's like Castlevania made love to Zelda while listening to the soundtrack of Shadow of the Colossus.
I wish more people knew things about the actual game than the fact that it has a hermaphrodite in it.
I can't believe how good this game feels to play. It's like Castlevania made love to Zelda while listening to the soundtrack of Shadow of the Colossus.
I wish more people knew things about the actual game than the fact that it has a hermaphrodite in it.
Haunted
Member
Actually putting it into the game is crossing the line and mitigates all self-awareness and comments other characters might offer on its ridiculousness.slaughterking said:
I wouldn't even allow that shit left somewhere in the debug code. And order the character artist to burn all sketches.
Dwight Schrute
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slaughterking said:
wedding
slaughterking
Member
I don't know. It's a remarkably bold outfit for sure, but I never thought much of it (in one way or another). I guess her foul mouth was just too distraction and by the time she calmed down I got already used to it. :lolHaunted said:
Haunted
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I said burn the sketches and all their physical copies.slaughterking said:
But enough of this, it's distracting me from the overall point I wanted to make: GAF hasn't let me down, the game is good, I want to play more.
On the subject of cussing, I did like the opening moments of the game - I haven't had a game greet me with such a tirade in a while. :lol
I bought into the GAF hype and picked up the game after reading the GOTY thread. It does look a bit dated, but the story has me hooked so far. Kaine's intro tirade is pretty hilarious, too. Also...
This. I actually stopped playing to listen to the song a few times. I love evocative game soundtracks.
ShockingAlberto said:
This. I actually stopped playing to listen to the song a few times. I love evocative game soundtracks.
Told youHaunted said:GAF hasn't let me down, the game is good, I want to play more.
Agreed. Some fans of the game say that it's all about the story and music, and I agree that they are the highlights, but I also found it genuinely fun in terms of gameplay. I particularly enjoyed whenever it started to mix up the camera or control style.Haunted said:
Haunted
Member
Durante said:Told you
Agreed. Some fans of the game say that it's all about the story and music, and I agree that they are the highlights, but I also found it genuinely fun in terms of gameplay. I particularly enjoyed whenever it started to mix up the camera or control style.
Yeah, the simple transition to a 2D plane inside houses is just stylish. Epic Mickey does that, too and I like it there as well.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Kaine is awesome. She is a woman in an action game. What do you expect?
Windom Earle
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Haunted said:
No, it's perfect.
PepsimanVsJoe said:
Kind of.
Femmeworth
Banned
Amen. Seriously, I don't know what the frak the character designer was thinking. Her design does its best to undermine her character.Haunted said:
ShockingAlberto
Member
I am not a fan of Kaine's outfit, but I understand it.
She self-identifies as a woman and her grandmother always told her how beautiful she was. So she overcompensates greatly by accentuating her sexuality.
Femmeworth
Banned
I can understand that reasoning, butShockingAlberto said:
she is someone out for revenge. In the beginning of the game, her sole reason for living was to avenge her grandmother. She should have been dressed appropriately for that task. I highly doubt flaunting her sexuality was a big priority for her, as well as showing off her uniqueness.
*stomps off to the Angry Dome*
Hero of Canton
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Haunted said:
I actually think the longer you don't play Nier, the more fondly you think on it. Mainly because you tend to forget the bad stuff, like that terrible opening and the fishing bit and the shoddy platforming other instances of bad design. And then you spend the best part of a week with the soundtrack on constant rotation and suddenly it's in your GOTY list.
John Rabbit
Banned
i actually ended up REALLY enjoying the fishing for some reason. if they make a sequel i'd like to see that aspect of it expanded slightly. by the time i caught the rhizodont i actually realized i'd miss doing it.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
The deal with Kaine's outfit goes something like this:
Kaine gave up a good portion of her body to a phantom...who happens to be male. He's a twisted individual and since she's at his mercy that means he gets to decide what she wears.
Femmeworth
Banned
That's a cop out, and I don't buy it. What they should have done was have her more androgynous/tomboyish in appearance at first untilPepsimanVsJoe said:
the shade that killed her grandmother was defeated.
The gameplay is relatively shallow and straight forward, but it doesn't wear out it's welcome. They have enough ideas to keep it fresh(Never really branching out the ideas from the basic premise), yet they keep combat at a min and fairly quick. To prevent you from tiring out, like God of War for example.Durante said:
On Kaine's outfit, it does make sense to the story. She desired to be treated as a girl instead of a monster. So she would be bound to pick something more unique compared to the rest of the females. The problem is that it's just a poorly designed outfit. Her being more seductive and less clothed makes sense. Her having Thong like hot pants, High heels, and lingerie that wraps only around the breasts was just poor design.
Femmeworth
Banned
It doesn't make any sense for her to dress in a manner that will draw more attention to herself. It makes more sense for her to try and conform in a way, so as to not draw attention to herself and allow her to blend in better. Her sole reason for living was to seek out vengeance. She would not compromise that. However, I shouldn't be too critical of the writing in Nier, since the world of Nier doesn't exactly make a whole lot of sense to begin with.shintoki said:
I hadn't watched the Zero Punctuation review of this until now.
:lol
Kaine's outfit is a blatant attempt at "sex sells" and really her whole character is designed to be somewhat shocking. I just sort of rolled my eyes at it and at first but in the end I accepted it because there's still so much within the game and with Kaine herself to love. After awhile I stopped seeing the ridiculous outfit and started seeing the character as she was created and really empathizing with her.
In other words, good writing and character design can overcome bad wardrobe decisions.
In other words, good writing and character design can overcome bad wardrobe decisions.
Like everyone here I wish Kaine was dressed more, er, reasonably, but I guess you see past it a bit once the game explores her character more throughout the game and the second arc. Theshintoki said:
Spring colours
It's great to see this thread appear more often and to see more people enjoying the game.
As for the comment about liking the game more the longer it has been since you have played it, there may be some truth in that you play the second half of the game significantly longer the first. It has been weeks since I did a back half playthrough, but many months since I played the start. Maybe some of the worst design decisions were forgotten.Edit:
This this this.matmanx1 said:In other words, good writing and character design can overcome bad wardrobe decisions.
OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather
Member
Just get the DLC and change Kaine's outfit. Problem solved. She'll still be skimpily dressed, but at least it's not lingerie. Though, I for one had no issues with her outfit, as ridiculous as it was.
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