this he lost both his and his fanbase.
Youtuber Karl Jobst has filed for bankruptcy after lawsuit loss to Billy Mitchell.
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Soodanim
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Like others I enjoyed his speed run histories. Detailing the progress over sometimes decades provides a lot of context and it was generally good stuff.
Billy might be a lot of things, but all he did was show up to this one. Karl's wounds are self inflicted and no one forced him to do it. (As far as I know.)
Billy might be a lot of things, but all he did was show up to this one. Karl's wounds are self inflicted and no one forced him to do it. (As far as I know.)
ReasonBeing
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I wouldn't go that far. His "I am a loser" video was exactly what was needed. No excuses, accepted that he fucked up without deflecting or rationalizing the fact.
Ultimately, I imagine he will stay away from "drama" videos for awhile (or at least he should), but if he continues to make great speed running content, he will make it out the other side of this.
calistan
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It was absolutely delicious, although not that far removed from Tabasco Family Reserve, which is widely available for about the same price as Rickey's sauce.
he put his apology at end of the video and fans called him out imo he is done.
Dacvak
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Billy Mitchell is an obnoxious, self-aggrandizing ass-faced ass. So is Karl. But I guess at least Karl makes funny videos.
Billy Mitchell can go suck a fuck.
Billy Mitchell can go suck a fuck.
Windom Earle
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So lying about another man's suicide is fine now, gotcha.
Emedan
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Billy Mitchell, that you?
Did I say that was okay? I think Mitchell's character have been known for years, he's not a good man. Jobst shouldn't have implied what he did but that's not a trend of bad behaviour like Mitchell has had for decades, so stop acting silly.
E-Cat
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Intention matters
Windom Earle
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So what exactly has Billy done that is so evil besides lying over Donkey Kong and (now very successfully) defend his reputation in court? Also do you not realize how insane it is to imply that the Australian judge somehow got misled by Billy's evil master plan to own Karl? You seem so bitter over this loss, instead you should point and laugh at Karl's autism like the rest of us having fun.
Thebonehead
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So what exactly has Billy done that is so evil besides lying over Donkey Kong and (now very successfully) defend his reputation in court? Also do you not realize how insane it is to imply that the Australian judge somehow got misled by Billy's evil master plan to own Karl? You seem so bitter over this loss, instead you should point and laugh at Karl's autism like the rest of us having fun.
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E-Cat
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Uh, no, it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he used MAME and claimed it was arcade hw
Thebonehead
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In a court of law?
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Peroroncino
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Yes, in the Jobst lawsuit, 5 or 6 defamation claims were made, I don't remember exactly all of them, but one of them included him being a DK cheater - and all claims were confirmed by the judge as defamatory except for one - the cheating one.
Thebonehead
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Well that isn't true - Here is a summary of the judgement
Although..
Peroroncino
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You're right, I should've specified. The lawsuit wasn't about cheating, but defamation. There's never going to be a lawsuit against him for cheating in a video game (since that's not against the law, and I don't think you could even make a civil suit for that), and the judge could never make that legal determination, however I do believe - this is as close as it can get legal wise. Legality aside, I also think it was proven beyond reasonable doubt through many videos and emulations (not only by jobst) that he did indeed cheat.
U n i o n 0015
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My take as well. The fact that Karl claimed he had evidence, and then it turned out to be a reddit post, that was debunked later with an email from a direct source, is just laughable.
It's hard to take YTers seriously when they can't even distinguish between what they think is evidence and the legal definition.
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The thing is all those are they mame? Videos are a moot point, Billy Mitchell matched his high score live in 2018 , their is even a video of it youtube
Apollo legend videos all regurgitated the old 2017 mame video accusations even though Billy Mitchell already proved conclusively he could earn those scores
You'd think watching jobst or the other Mitchell is a fraud videos that he never achieved high scores in public when he did
And then jobst kept insisting Apollo legend had to make a cash settlement with Mitchell even after the judge said there was no monetary agreement,
Frankly some of the attitudes here are exactly why Jobst deserved to lose the lawsuit
Shame that jobst was so arrogant because he did seem to do some genuinely good journalism, but given how much information he intentionally omitted, obfuscated and outright lied about, his entire body of work is now questionable
And shouldn't the numerous times Billy mitchell has demonstrated 1000000+ points live on donkey kong render that point moot?
They are constantly on reddit, which yeah I know reddit experts but still
People keeps insisting his score are fraudulent when there are multiple videos of him achieving scores fairly
King of Kong was a decade before the whole mame scandle but anyway
Here is one tapper's arcade
At glitch bar
Here he is a avgc 2015
Odd mr.jobst didn't find these worth addressing
ValiantInstance
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Problem is that narrative contradicts the Discord leaks. His unfiltered opinions are of a person who cannot accept they are wrong. Taking accountability now is just trying to save face.
He even bragged about how expensive his legal costs are and how Mitchell would have to pay for them when he lost.
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DeepEnigma
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This had nothing to do with cheating. It had to do with false accusations and defamation from some other cringe e-cunt.
I'd go hard in the paint after winning too, and dunk on that Temu Max Headroom looking prick as I dragged my edgy nuts across his face.
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Omnipunctual Godot
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Good summary, but I'd clarify that the "he decided to just lump in" is Karl, not Apollo. Just for those who aren't familiar with the situation.
E-Cat
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Thanks, I mean he is a competent player for sure. But the fact that he has lied on one occasion (or several, in fact) means he's a fraudulent individual, period. With these people it's a pattern, not the odd outlier. They are pathological. And that, more problematically, extends to other areas of life beyond gaming like business and litigation, where you're getting into some real-world harm. If you think this guy is playing with a clean deck of cards, I have a bridge to sell you. Not only is Billy fraudulent, he is also malignant. And wearing the US flag necktie, he's like a bargain bin Saul Goodman lmao
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Omnipunctual Godot
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So he's a loser in a NeoGAF user's moral court but a winner in actual court? I think I know which end I'd rather be on.
The case was decided in Australia, lol
Ah soooo, Karl jobst is malignant too then as he's lied on several occasions?
Or the creators of King of Kong when they ignored that Steve Weibe played on a bootleg board and that's why his score was originally not accepted?
And I assumed you have never lied once in your life? Guess you're a malignant individual too
Yeah in Europe they'd do it proper and send him to jail
nkarafo
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Here's the thing. Just like in any other competitive space, no matter how good you are in the thing you are competing, you may have some bad days or some others where you are not in the mood. Or maybe some other champion is causing you distress. Just because you are the best most of the time, doesn't mean you are the best all the time.
Yes, Billy has proven he is amazing in Donkey Kong. And he is a champion. But maybe that one time he was not sure of himself and decided to cheat, to make sure his streak isn't broken? Because he hurt his fingers and wasn't sure he was going to make it? Because he was too bored to put in the work? Who the f knows? Thing is, it's proven without a doubt he cheated that one time. Does that take away from him being one of the best? Probably not but it does make him look like someone who will scam his way to whatever he wants to achieve.
FUBARx89
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He specifically mentioned cheating at one point the little berk.
E-Cat
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Well, no, Karl hasn't knowingly spread false information with the intent to mislead. It's not immoral to state something non-factual if one is not aware of its non-factuality. It may be reckless or stupid, yes. He should have had more concrete evidence. But there's an ocean of difference between someone like Karl, who is striving to get to the truth, and a seasoned, pathological liar like Billy.
Lmao, wasn't that orchestrated by Billy because he didn't like some guy Steve Weibe was associated with? And they never actually found anything wrong with the board. Also pretty rich coming from Billy, clearly a case of projection there.
Are you utterly incapable of nuance dude? No, I have not made lies that resulted in someone losing a lot of money or their life getting destroyed. In fact, I am honest to a fault to where I'm often seen as tactless. I do enjoy bringing someone down a peg or two. Billy is not malignant because he tells a white lie every now and then, he is malignant because he's a pathological, self-aggrandizing narcissistic con-man. Kinda like Trump. Now, maybe you don't believe that, in which case I would call you naive. Or maybe you do, but don't care, or cheer for him because you're a sadist, or whatever. Again, you either have poor judgement or are malignant yourself. Which I don't really care either way, but it's interesting that there are so many like you in this thread.
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Yes , karl intentionally spread misinformation, clearly you eat it up with a question though, good to know,
The board was a bootleg, there is no question it is a double donkey board, not an original
Ah you're an armchair psychologist, good to know
StreetsofBeige
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Yes. Good call. I edited my post.
bender
What time is it?
Karl used Billy's infamy to generate revenue. He defamed Billy with a poorly sourced mistruth and then buried the retraction at the end of a 20+ minute long video. He framed the basis of Billy's lawsuit as being centered around cheating rather than the allegation that Billy caused someone's suicide in order to get donations to his legal fund. Karl got what he deserved. That doesn't excuse Billy from being overly litigious or change the fact that Billy got caught with his hand in the cookie jar when it comes to using Mame or non-official hardware to submit Donkey Kong world records, but that just makes Karl look even worse as there were plenty of Billy missteps to cover without making shit up. And beyond Billy's lack of scruples, he's still a world class Donkey Kong and Pac-Man player not to mention his other successes in life.
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E-Cat
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Can you provide an example, then?
Here's why I tend to view Karl as an honest individual: I know the type, I am just like him -- a straight shooter. Autistic, coldly logical, first principles thinking, venerating facts, steel-manning my opponent. Constantly ingesting information and refining my world model. Love to spar, it's like a game where the individual with the most objective take on reality wins. To lie would defeat the purpose, would mean to lie to myself. I never lie to myself. No matter how uncomfortable the truth. This has brought me a lot of pain at times, but it is 100% how I am wired. I believe, no, viscerally feel, that Karl is the same. And that is precisely why people are hating and jeering on him in this thread. It's what I've experienced my whole life, so recognize it for what it is -- jocks bullying the neuro-atypical nerd. To people like that, a debate is a game of status, not a maximum truth-seeking exercise. Lie and cheat your way to the top if you must, the end goal justfies the means. It's incomprehensible to someone like that that other people are not like them, that they might operate from a totally different disposition.
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You mean like when he accused Billy MItchell of contributing to Apollo Legends suicide with no evidence, using some random reddit post without verification as evidence that there was a cash settlement, when the judge said there was no cash settlement.,
also you've confessed to projecting, you see Karl Jobst as yourself and billy Mitchell as your bully, you can't look at this objectively, and you're lying to yourself right now
E-Cat
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So, your argument is that he thought the evidence he had was false? Otherwise, it's logically impossible for him to have been intentionally misleading.
That does not follow. I was drawing an analogy, but view this case on its own merits. And it's not merely Karl Jobst Billy is bullying, but the countless defenseless people who cannot afford the hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees to battle this serial litigator.
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it does follow, you have no interest in the truth, you move goal posts to serve your purposes, and use autism as a shield when called out on it, I've dedicated enough of my life to working with individuals with autism to find that despicable.
you weren't bullied because you have autism or were a nerd; it's because you're weak, not physically, but in your character. I have nothing else to say to you.
E-Cat
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Hahaha dude you lost, so now have nothing but an irrelevant strawman ad-hominem to resort to. I asked you for an example of Karl's dishonesty, you brought up him "intentionally misleading" about the non-existent cash settlement, but cannot cannot logically reconcile how it would make any sense to make such a remark using knowingly phony evidence, because you would be eventually found out and there would be obvious repercussions.
ReasonBeing
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His video was after he lost, I don't see how him being bragocious and confident beforehand contradicts what he says afterwards. He got served humble pie, and he is now eating it.
Windom Earle
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ValiantInstance
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He was so 'confident' that he dismissed his legal counsel provided gratis by Notch because they told him to settle out of court for substantially less.
The guy is a first class moron and the persona he wears in his Youtube videos does not reflect his true character.
Windom Earle
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I'm going to leave this here for all the people that think King of Kong was some sort of impartial documentary
It was a total hatchet job on Billy Mitchell (though an entertaining movie)
donkeykongblog.blogspot.com
It was a total hatchet job on Billy Mitchell (though an entertaining movie)
The Donkey Kong World Record: The Real History, From 1982 to Today
Since Billy Mitchell's epochal achievement of 874,300 points on August 13, 1982, the Donkey Kong world record has undergone a winding and c...
donkeykongblog.blogspot.com
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