Yusuf Mehdi on Xbox One: 'We have a better value proposition than our competitors'
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killer rin
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I 'unno, a 6-7 figure salary is enough to make a man to do some pretty nice preaching. Not to mention if you worked at the company, you would be able to see behind the scenes at plans and future lineups which would enable your excitement
Officerrob
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The war is market share, Sony lost a lot this last generation where Microsoft gained at Sony's expense. Squeaking out more worldwide sales than 360 after over 6 years on shelves would have been seen as a disaster 7 years ago.
Katana_Strikes
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I bet these MS execs can't wait for that price drop (kinectless) to come in so that don't have to keep up the value nonesense.
You can tell its a hard sell for them and will be going forward. They are fighting a losing battle.
You can tell its a hard sell for them and will be going forward. They are fighting a losing battle.
WrenchNinja
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And your contribution to society is what?
I don't need to be a master chef to tell you shit tastes like shit. If this is him leading, I'd hate to see what it looks like when he's not.
PetriP-TNT
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You get like, 50 bucks more if you sell an used XBone compared to PS4 or like 150 more compared to WiiU. Value proposition accepted.
When will they realise that most early adopters don't care about Kinect? They look at the two pieces of hardware which let's be honest are nearly identical in terms of power, then look at the price difference and their original Kinect covered in dust, and pre-order a PS4
At least, that's what I did.
At least, that's what I did.
killer rin
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I really dont see what the problem with Yusuf saying this. He works for the company, its his job to say this when asked.
One would assume its normal for a Kinect to be covered in dust considering you're not touching it after its been set up and it would work regardless of dust level
/ForcedAttemptOfBeingASmartAss
Penguins&PolarBears
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People made the same type of arguments about online play last generation that PSN was a better value than XBL because it was free. In reality when the PS3 came out there were so many big features missing like cross game chat and invites. I just see the same thing happening again with different sets of features.
OOB PS4 lacks:
- Universal control of your home theater via IR blaster.
- Side-by-side multitasking.
- TV guide or live TV viewing via HDMI-in.
- Tablet/smartphone control of TV.
- Voice search or control or gesture control of apps/games/TV.
- Apps that work in conjunction with live TV like fantasy sports.
- Video chat or video commentary in apps..
- Full body motion control games.
- Automatic profile logins.
- Automatic controller tracking.
Trying to match some of these features with a Logitech Harmony Ultimate Hub and a PS4 Eye would cost me $160 more and I would have a downgraded 720p camera with no skeletal tracking in the dark and no integrated TV functionality or multitasking.
Didn't cross game chat / party chat get released in 2008? I remember waiting for it... wasn't an initially released feature. The PS3 never got it due to memory issues as far as I remember.
I'll admit that PSN on PS3 hasn't been the perfect experience which is why most of my online gaming was done on the 360, however online on the new consoles is a whole new ballgame.
I'd wager PSN with PS+ on the PS4 will be a better value proposition than XBL. The amount of content that Sony provides combined with a better infrastructure (due to the requirement of PS+ to play online) will exceed what XBL offers.
One would assume its normal for a Kinect to be covered in dust considering you're not touching it after its been set up and it would work regardless of dust level
/ForcedAttemptOfBeingASmartAss
Why you!!
I think though to be fair, OOtB the Xbox one itself is missing a fair few of those points itself for any country that isn't the US or "tier 1"
No Live TV functionality outside the US as far as I recall (which I assume includes those fantasy football apps) and quite a few countries missing a lot of the voice command stuff.
MikeJAMoran
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Nobody would expect him to say anything different. But I would rather these people say nothing at all.
Waldo Lydecker
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Xbox is going downhill because of their stupid excecutives. There isn't one I feel sympathy for or that I like. They need someone like yosp.
Ol No Bones
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I think it's sad that the ps4 has the eye and it won't get any real support. I'm looking forward to kinect.
Chill Dude
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I know that's his job to promote it to the maximum but I can't say I agree even 1% with what he's saying. PS4 just looks like a better all round package in every aspect with far more being offered to the consumer and importantly the industry at large in my opinion.
Acquiescence
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Oh God, what a load of utter bobbins he's talking. It's a games console that costs an extra £80 than the more powerful PS4, mostly due to the inclusion of a motion sensor peripheral that jumped the shark a couple of years ago. That doesn't represent value to me in the slightest.
3/4 of those things aren't even vital to playing games and are just more bullet points to prop up MS's TV angle.
The thing is, all the ones I bolded I don't care for and will never use if I had an Xbox One. Why should I pay a premium price for something that I will never use in the console lifetime? If I want some of that stuff I will just pay $60 and and still come out less than the Xbox One.
Aizu_Itsuko
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- Your hardware is inferior, which means pretty much every multiplatform game will be worse the entire generation.
- The competition has bigger and more varied first party studios..
- Xbox Live is a worse value proposition than PS+.
- You have Kinect, which has not added anything substantial to the table since its inception.
- The competition seems to be in a better market position from the get go.
- Your system costs 100$ more.
Realize this and try to change things around, because at this point you are mostly relying on brand loyalty and appealing to a more specific group of gamers. Sony turned things around last gen when they dropped the "value proposition" angle and focused on games and gamers, and they at least had a cheap Blu-Ray player to validate their original comments.
- The competition has bigger and more varied first party studios..
- Xbox Live is a worse value proposition than PS+.
- You have Kinect, which has not added anything substantial to the table since its inception.
- The competition seems to be in a better market position from the get go.
- Your system costs 100$ more.
Realize this and try to change things around, because at this point you are mostly relying on brand loyalty and appealing to a more specific group of gamers. Sony turned things around last gen when they dropped the "value proposition" angle and focused on games and gamers, and they at least had a cheap Blu-Ray player to validate their original comments.
shinobi602
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I think people are going to be pretty surprised, I'm sure most devs will develop to Xbox One specs unfortunately.
LowEndTorque
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Marketing executive does his job. Cool.
RedNumberFive
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Microsoft continues to display that they have a tenuous grasp on the term "value".
As previously mentioned, a lot of these won't be available to most people for a while anyways. Stuff like automatic profile logins are really trivial. Doesn't Sony have like both Ustream and Twitch, as well as like, longer recording times and stuff? I'm sure you could make an equal list for stuff the PS4 has that the XB1 does not. For example I would take the PS+ instant game collection and GDDR5 ram over all of those things, as both are actually gaming related...
and whatever MS.TheLegendOfMart
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Yeah nice list. Doesn't matter if its OOB or not, I can get a PS Camera and it still be nearly a games worth cheaper than Xbox One.
There is no doubt that Xbox One offers some features/value-elements PS4 doesn't. That was not my point. My point is that the opposite is also true and I think the balance of value differences favours PS4. Without further payment on PS4 there is access to quite a bit of both gaming and non-gaming content and services, and non-double-paywalled access to premium services. You could get quite a lot of entertainment out of PS4 for just the price of the box, I don't think that's true to the same degree at all on Xbox One. And what paywalled benefits are there are arguably better value too.
digoutyoursoul
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In my opinion, Kinect is trying to solve problems that are not there, it seems those in charge of the big decisions for Xbox just cannot let go of that three-four year Wii boom and are determined to recapture it with a box that costs $499 and has yet to show any software that justifies the SKU
I myself don't want it nor does the family, we have no problems pressing a button to select what we want to do. As much as I like Xbox, a couple of games aside such as Dead Rising and Forza plus the Upload studio, this system is disappointing and more fool me for expecting better.
I myself don't want it nor does the family, we have no problems pressing a button to select what we want to do. As much as I like Xbox, a couple of games aside such as Dead Rising and Forza plus the Upload studio, this system is disappointing and more fool me for expecting better.
-Why is Xbox Live a "worse value proposition than PS+?
-We don't know what MS's first party studios will do; how do you? Sony has a much better history but things change when a new gen arrives
-Kinect has definitely added to the value of MS; I look forward to what can be done with it on the One
-hardware being inferior, as if it is going to be this huge difference when Joe Consumer goes "LOL, look at how horrible that looks on Xbox One..lets buy a PS4 instead."
Nymphae
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Sony has a good history, hence the faith they will bring awesome games. Why should I believe things will change with MS? Just because it's a new gen? Their track record doesn't instil any confidence in me thus far.
RedNumberFive
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Really?
Omegasquash
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The added value they're pitching is (IMO) directed at people that are considering stepping into the gaming world for the first time, but aren't very tech friendly. The kind of person that doesn't want to manage multiple remotes.
Hell, my mother in law (who can't be bothered to remember inputs on the television) noted that she thought it was pretty cool. What they're trying to offer feels like an altered Wii pitch...it's simple, brings everything together in an all in one solution, and it's cool because you can talk to it and wave at it and stuff.
From my own perspective, I don't see the value because I'm not a fan of Kinect, I don't like voice commands, and I don't particularly feel like rearranging my living room to access functionality needed for certain titles. For those that do, good for them. I want a pure gaming system, and for that, the PS4 is the console that matches what I want.
MS, simply, is just pitching to a bigger audience and we, as a (somewhat) gamer specific group, don't feel it. I don't speak for everyone here of course, but that's just how I see it.
Hell, my mother in law (who can't be bothered to remember inputs on the television) noted that she thought it was pretty cool. What they're trying to offer feels like an altered Wii pitch...it's simple, brings everything together in an all in one solution, and it's cool because you can talk to it and wave at it and stuff.
From my own perspective, I don't see the value because I'm not a fan of Kinect, I don't like voice commands, and I don't particularly feel like rearranging my living room to access functionality needed for certain titles. For those that do, good for them. I want a pure gaming system, and for that, the PS4 is the console that matches what I want.
MS, simply, is just pitching to a bigger audience and we, as a (somewhat) gamer specific group, don't feel it. I don't speak for everyone here of course, but that's just how I see it.
ElRenoRaven
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You know. Maybe if Microsoft talking heads say that enough they'll actually start to believe it.
I believe they have no choice. Their track record isn't great but they seem to be putting the effort this gen; we shall see.
I feel like I say this all the time, but you don't go after the Wii audience with a console that costs twice as much. It really isn't comparable due to the price. The Wii audience could go out and get a 360 and kinect right now for half the price of this new console. That audience has shown that they don't care about graphics, so why should they get the latest and greatest?
Have we actually seen any of this TV stuff in action?
Uno Venova
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Weird how some of the only arguments people have against power is presenting what the think the "average joe" consumer thinks. I never got what that was supposed to accomplish against what was presented.
Aizu_Itsuko
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Even if all multiplatform games were targeting Xbox One specs (extremely unlikely), they would still run better on PS4 due to GPU/memory advantage.
It is just saying that the difference will only matter to us and not the average consumer. It isn't meant to refute what was presented on my part; just saying that it won't be a big enough difference for the average consumer to care.
Q
Queen of Hunting
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How will things go down if Microsoft are seen as the winner between them n Sony like this gen. I cant imagine gaf could handle that lol
2010 was probably their last good year.
Neuromancer
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oops disregard
The problem is that every person sees value differently. As for me, I don't see the value in a system that doesn't have the exclusives I want from the developers I love. For my tastes, PS3 proved this time and again by releasing amazing game after amazing game from my now favorite developers. I had a 360 years ago for Bioshock/Mass Effect, but the value disappeared when I got a new PC. Perhaps the XBone will provide value for people who like MS exclusive games/devs or who don't have a PC capable of running the latest and greatest, but not me. Combine that with their stance on my country's NSA spying program and I will steer as far away as I can on principle, let alone lack of games I like.