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Zach Braff wants your Kickstarter money for a Garden State follow up
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Hot Coldman
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I just saw this on the A.V. Club. You are a fucking god.
That was great. You need a change of tag.
that was great
Man, I won't lie, I am conflicted about exactly that. I am not really a fan of Zach Braff, but I think Garden State is an objectively impressive work of art. I definitely don't think he should pay for a film out of pocket (don't do THAT) and I don't EVEN have a HUGE problem with him using kicktarter even if I don't necessarily agree with it. So I'd hate to hurt the dude's feelings...
But a goof is a goof, and I couldn't resist being a part of such a ludicrous waste of talent and time!
I directed a film that was on AV Club last year for their film competition, but I just did sound for this one, so I don't deserve and credit or cool tags. I just wanted to share.
I doubt she's angry, she's probably a little depressed, realising that she's not as popular as she thinks she is.
She's pretty much been out of the spotlight for 10 years. I can't fathom why she thought she had a chance at raising $2 million on kickstarter.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Just got update #9. Goal reached, 27 days until the funds officially are cleared.
From the outside, yes it does look ridiculous. She obviously thought her name was enough to get it through.
If she had a Sabrinia one with key cast members willing to come back then the added value there would probably be enough to get the funds. Though she has said in interview that she thinks it would be ok for an hour TV special but not a film.
When the kickstarter fails she might just do it as a TV Movie, which is about all she has done the last 10 years.
Anyway, glad this kickstarter has reached the 2 million, everything from now on is just gravy ontop, Zachs video updates are charming.
ramoisdead
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Effin' spot on. I love it and your wife really laid it onto her in-screen husband. Also if the Academy is watching, give Vegeta Oscar next year for his pivotal role in this.
Nah I was thinking the same thing. I like Braff and think Portman's hot but I didn't watch Garden State. Just didn't really grab me from the trailers. Never hear people really praise it or anything either. Just didn't seem to have much of a following at all.
Ignis Fatuus
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This whole thing makes me wonder how much Joss Whedon would rake in for a Firefly Kickstarter.
Not more than he made on Avengers...
I'm glad he can finally find a way into the indie films market after being shut out for so long.
thecouncil
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I cracked up at her delivery of the "100 dollars to that fucking Zach Braff piece of shit" God, that's funny.
Well she's certainly an optimist.
Translated you guys suck donate more to prove your love for me!
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/cinetolo...rts-a-new-culture-of-celebrity-crowdsourcing/
A few snippets:
That's essentially my overall concern with this. Braff wants final cut but he'll have to go back and work with the people he turned down to sell his movie. It's a win-win for him. And while I'm no industry expert, it makes sense to me that when you have someone financing your movie they might want to have input to "protect their investment". Braff is a talented guy but I think he's trying to get the best of crowdfunding + wide distribution to maximize his personal gain.
Also, LOL at the comments - someone posted Staccat0's video!
A few snippets:
That's essentially my overall concern with this. Braff wants final cut but he'll have to go back and work with the people he turned down to sell his movie. It's a win-win for him. And while I'm no industry expert, it makes sense to me that when you have someone financing your movie they might want to have input to "protect their investment". Braff is a talented guy but I think he's trying to get the best of crowdfunding + wide distribution to maximize his personal gain.
Also, LOL at the comments - someone posted Staccat0's video!
PsihoPerihelion
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Guys, we should definitely support Staccat0 instead of that fuckcunt asshole Braff.
"fuckcunt asshole" Yes this is the reasonable side of the debate right here.
Also, guess what? We can support both if we want! It doesn't have to be one or the other!
Why not both?
Hmm... I thought Hollywood studios were, you know, banned from controlling theater chains and other distribution networks...
Jest Chillin
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It's actually very different situations when you're looking for just a Distro deal vs. having someone produce the entire film. But the bigger misconception with that blog is that it hugely underestimates Braff's fanbase and the demand that it generate. He doesn't need to have major widespread distribution to make money. He can easily go to the more indy-friendly theaters throughout the country then to VoD/Rental/Streams and make plenty.
Zach Braff, Amanda Palmer, and the New 90-9-1 Rule: The Indifferent, the Haters, and the Ones who Love You.
Dan Lewis said:Zach Braff is going to raise over $2 million for a movie without a distributor, without a studio, and really, without anything more than a kind of strange pitch video...
Theres an informal rule of online communities called the 90-9-1 principle. 1% of the user base creates the vast majority of the content; 9% dabbles; 90% participate only in minor amounts if at all. The point is that you dont need a whole lot of people to participate in order to create something pretty impressive.(1) Thats how Wikipedia became the behemoth it is today.
The funding of content can and, I think will follow the same pattern. Once a person has a large enough following², you can fund basically anything youd like. Braff has only 28,000 backers of the above-cited Kickstarter, which is much less than the 1% of the weekly viewership of Scrubs, for example. The traditional 90-9-1 principle applies here, as a very small amount of backers are (via their dollars) creating something for the 90.
But what about the haters? That requires another 90-9-1 rule.
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The vast majority of people in the U.S. have no idea who Amanda Palmer is. More know who Zack Braff is, but there are 300-something million of us at, at its peak, Scrubs only (only!) had 15 million viewers. Thats your first 90% the group of the addressable market (TV owners? movie goers?) who are indifferent to or unaware of the artist. They just dont matter, at least not insofar as funding the content is concerned. (5) Your fans are the 1%. A small fraction of them (1% of the 1%) will fund the creation of the content, and the rest of them will likely buy it once its made, unless it sucks. (6) And then theres the haters. As long as theyre a relatively small group even if theyre much, much larger than your true fans youre probably OK. Thats the 9%. Like the original 90-9-1 principle, the actual percentages are made up; theyre demonstrative of the underlying theory.
In the end, the fans matter and the antagonists unless there is an absolutely enormous amount of them simply dont.
So if he decdes he doesn't want to do the movie anymore and instead blow the money on coke and whores, will he be sued? I just cant believe the idea behind this. Also surprised not many famous broke people have hopped on the bandwagon. Seems like an extremely easy way to make money.
NaughtyCalibur
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He can very well be, yes. By Kickstarter, especially. It really hurts their business when people get the funding and then back out without any consequences. Pretty sure there was a pretty famous case of it happening recently on a gaming related Kickstarter.
From their FAQ:
Jest Chillin
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A move like that would kill his career. How are you going to draw when you piss off your fanbase like that? That type of thing is really only a legitimate concern for people who aren't known or whose careers aren't dependent on a fanbase. Because they can cash the check and disappear into the ether without much issue.
Not much buzz in here - he's at $2.5 million.
A new opinion piece by Ken Levine is blowing up on reddit.
http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2013/05/i-wont-give-zach-braff-one-dime.html
A new opinion piece by Ken Levine is blowing up on reddit.
http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2013/05/i-wont-give-zach-braff-one-dime.html
Good on him for speaking up. This is confirmed to be him, right? I mean, it's a blogspot.
dorkimoe
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Why dont people understand its about creative control?
Think how much better certain movies would be without the big studios having a hand in it, or certain tv shows. Or even games..(poor command and conquer). Letting him have control of the film by having these backers instead of a big stupid studio is alot better. South park for example...they let them do whatever they want..imagine if they were controlled because they are financed by the network? Chappelles show had similar situations, Neal Brennan talked about it on a podcast, the people used to think they knew what was funny instead of dave and neal...
Think how much better certain movies would be without the big studios having a hand in it, or certain tv shows. Or even games..(poor command and conquer). Letting him have control of the film by having these backers instead of a big stupid studio is alot better. South park for example...they let them do whatever they want..imagine if they were controlled because they are financed by the network? Chappelles show had similar situations, Neal Brennan talked about it on a podcast, the people used to think they knew what was funny instead of dave and neal...
If you're thinking of Ken Lenvine the game developer then you're as I was
. This other Ken Levine is wrong right off the bat with the purpose of Kickstarter. Kickstarter says "fans support people they admire" and features Amanda Palmer on their 'What is Kickstarter?' page. I don't see how Zach's project doesn't jive with that purpose.
Here's the reddit link by the way for those looking for it: http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/1duyw8/by_ken_levine_i_wont_give_zach_braff_one_dime/
faceless007
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Going by the masthead that's an entirely different Ken Levine, one who's a veteran TV comedy writer.
John Dunbar
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based on observable evidence, that's really not what kickstarter is about to me. sure, some random guy might score some tens of thousands or even a hundred grand, and that's great, but when we're discussing projects of this scale, who without a name is going to get close to getting 2+ million for a movie or game or anything? outside of perhaps a very few fabulous ideas that might get stolen anyway, it seems to me like kickstarter isn't some wonder tool to discover new talent, but more of an opportunity for already established people to gather funding for their pet projects.
That's part of Ken Levine's comparison with Sundance. Both are institutions ditching the little people who most need the service and attention they can provide, and are instead embracing pseudo-corporate endeavors because there's more money in it.
Of course, others are right in saying that this has been the case for a while now, with famous video game creators conducting very successful campaigns. This isn't a brand new issue from the last couple months, but it's definitely accelerating.
NathanMcMahon
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someone's a little envious.
I hate how all these columnists are missing the point of why this Kickstarter is bad.
It's bad because Braff is using his celebrity to fund a movie. Normally, Kickstarters get funded because people want to see a certain product get made so they can get their hands on it. Which means, they are basically prepaying for a product they would want. Braff however is not giving you the product, you are paying for the privilige of Braff getting to make this movie.
Now, anyone can spend their money whichever way they want, but I find it ludricous that so many people are willing to pay money for the chance this movie might play at a local theatre (US only of course) so they can pay extra money (which goes directly into Braff's pocket) or pay another 10 to 20 dollars to get a physical copy of the movie (which goes directly into Braff's pocket).
That's right, people are paying Braff to make this film and then, after he makes his movie with all the free money and graciously giving people a PDF of the script and a streaming link to songs he collected, he gets to cash in on the sales of this movie from those SAME people again.
It's such a pisstake I can't wrap my mind around how people are willing to back this project. You don't get the final product. Braff shamelessly profits from you TWICE over (Three times if you go to the theatre as well as buy the DVD or Blu-ray).
That's the real problem here, not that he's a celebrity, not that he has money himself. But that this is THE WORST kickstarter project in that it's a cash grab for Braff and the backers are letting themselves get exploited, because he is Zach Braff and they like Zach Braff. If you're gonna throw away your money, please find a local cause and donate your 30 dollars to that instead.
It's bad because Braff is using his celebrity to fund a movie. Normally, Kickstarters get funded because people want to see a certain product get made so they can get their hands on it. Which means, they are basically prepaying for a product they would want. Braff however is not giving you the product, you are paying for the privilige of Braff getting to make this movie.
Now, anyone can spend their money whichever way they want, but I find it ludricous that so many people are willing to pay money for the chance this movie might play at a local theatre (US only of course) so they can pay extra money (which goes directly into Braff's pocket) or pay another 10 to 20 dollars to get a physical copy of the movie (which goes directly into Braff's pocket).
That's right, people are paying Braff to make this film and then, after he makes his movie with all the free money and graciously giving people a PDF of the script and a streaming link to songs he collected, he gets to cash in on the sales of this movie from those SAME people again.
It's such a pisstake I can't wrap my mind around how people are willing to back this project. You don't get the final product. Braff shamelessly profits from you TWICE over (Three times if you go to the theatre as well as buy the DVD or Blu-ray).
That's the real problem here, not that he's a celebrity, not that he has money himself. But that this is THE WORST kickstarter project in that it's a cash grab for Braff and the backers are letting themselves get exploited, because he is Zach Braff and they like Zach Braff. If you're gonna throw away your money, please find a local cause and donate your 30 dollars to that instead.
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