Foxy Fox 39
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Zach Braff wants your Kickstarter money for a Garden State follow up
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hahahaha
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
lol, ice burn.
Amazing.
It looks like he added this:
So he is going to be putting some of his own money towards the project. How much it is is anyone's guess; if he's going totally outside-the-system on this it'd be sort of cool if he also went for complete budget transparency and let everyone see how much money various sources poured into it.
So he is going to be putting some of his own money towards the project. How much it is is anyone's guess; if he's going totally outside-the-system on this it'd be sort of cool if he also went for complete budget transparency and let everyone see how much money various sources poured into it.
Not sure why some of you are hating on him so much. He wants to make a movie, asks his and asks his fans for financial support in making it. It's not like he's holding a gun to their heads or anything. If he was really in this to make screw over people and make money, he would have chosen a far more mainstream concept to do than this uber-indie thing.
Kevin Smith financed his own film when he made Red State and he couldn't speak any more highly of getting away from the studios and having freedom. If his fans are willing to give him the money, why can't Braff do the same?
Kevin Smith financed his own film when he made Red State and he couldn't speak any more highly of getting away from the studios and having freedom. If his fans are willing to give him the money, why can't Braff do the same?
joeygreco1985
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But... Garden State sucked...
Schadenfreude
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Zach Braff and Tim Heidecker are tearing me apart. Big fan of both of them.
How much of your own money are you investing?
ZB: I don't know. It will depend on how much we raise, and who I do end up casting. Let's say we raise our goal, which is $2 million. If we only raise that, that's not enough to make the movie. There will be some element of selling some foreign [distribution rights] to meet the difference, and where that falls is where I will be splitting the difference. I'm going to make this movie in August come hell or high water. Wherever we fall short, I or some element of foreign sales will split the difference.
Part of the reaction today to this campaign has been to bring up some of the same concerns raised during the Veronica Mars Kickstarter campaign, namely that your fans are giving you money for a project they will also spend money to see, with no return on that investment.
ZB: I totally understand that. Listen, I would love, more than anything, to have it be you get an equity stake. You have 10 bucks, you make your 10 bucks back with the percentage of profit, like a stock. But that's not legal yet.
I think it's an exciting idea, that you can go, "Oh, I like x, y, and z, I want to buy a piece of that potential film project." I think that that's coming. But we're not there yet legally.
So what do you do in the meantime? You offer them any and every incentive you can think of. But at the very least, if you pay 10 bucks, you're joining what I like to think of as this club. You see how active I am on social media. I drive my family, friends, and girlfriend crazy. I get a lot of joy out of it. So turning that into an online behind-the-scenes filmmaking magazine, where there will be videos and content and people who are interested in the behind-the-scenes of the making of a movie will go on this ride alongside me I think that's cool for 10 bucks.
You're right last year Congress passed the JOBS Act, which does allow for equity-based crowdfunding, but it can't happen until the SEC issues rules on how to do it. Which they haven't done yet.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/zach-braff-on-why-kickstarter-is-the-next-best-thing-to-actu
ZB: I don't know. It will depend on how much we raise, and who I do end up casting. Let's say we raise our goal, which is $2 million. If we only raise that, that's not enough to make the movie. There will be some element of selling some foreign [distribution rights] to meet the difference, and where that falls is where I will be splitting the difference. I'm going to make this movie in August come hell or high water. Wherever we fall short, I or some element of foreign sales will split the difference.
Part of the reaction today to this campaign has been to bring up some of the same concerns raised during the Veronica Mars Kickstarter campaign, namely that your fans are giving you money for a project they will also spend money to see, with no return on that investment.
ZB: I totally understand that. Listen, I would love, more than anything, to have it be you get an equity stake. You have 10 bucks, you make your 10 bucks back with the percentage of profit, like a stock. But that's not legal yet.
I think it's an exciting idea, that you can go, "Oh, I like x, y, and z, I want to buy a piece of that potential film project." I think that that's coming. But we're not there yet legally.
So what do you do in the meantime? You offer them any and every incentive you can think of. But at the very least, if you pay 10 bucks, you're joining what I like to think of as this club. You see how active I am on social media. I drive my family, friends, and girlfriend crazy. I get a lot of joy out of it. So turning that into an online behind-the-scenes filmmaking magazine, where there will be videos and content and people who are interested in the behind-the-scenes of the making of a movie will go on this ride alongside me I think that's cool for 10 bucks.
You're right last year Congress passed the JOBS Act, which does allow for equity-based crowdfunding, but it can't happen until the SEC issues rules on how to do it. Which they haven't done yet.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/zach-braff-on-why-kickstarter-is-the-next-best-thing-to-actu
lol
I like them both. I'm not sure what (if any) room Heidecker has to criticize, given that his work is about 20 times more polarizing than Braff's. Though I'm honestly not that sure if the joke behind the script is really meant to be "Zach Braff is shit" or just the humor of imagining a couple that's bankrupt and regretting dumb, frivolous Kickstarter spending.
Braff does a good job of avoiding any celebrity Twitter battle though:
@zachbraff 1h
@timheidecker you took a lot of time with this. I'm sorry this has pissed you off.
I believe they get paid on that as it happens. So it is a stream of money but I bet its no where near what he was getting per episode.
Not only that but like his pay rate per episode its most likely a sliding scale where newer episodes he will get more money for than the original seasons.
I doubt he is worth 50m. The girl on that show was on Rosanne for a few seasons , scrubs its entire run then a season of how I met your mother and now a new show and last I heard she was valued at around 15.
ramoisdead
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I'll kickstart that movie.
RedAssedApe
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should have had natalie portman show up. dudes be lining up to donate.
Foxy Fox 39
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I don't think anyone is angry about how people spent their own money. Just that he has the audacity to do this in the manner that it's done.
amazing
shadyspace
Banned
Wow never seen Heidecker backpedal like this
What does he care? He gets a bunch of saps to finance his shitty movie that he reaps all the profit from.
To create a page that asks people to fund his project in exchange for things they want? Does it offend you when other people offer a thing for sale that others decide to buy?
Pfft, why does Microsoft want money for Windows when they already have money? And the audacity of them to even offer it for sale!
Foxy Fox 39
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well objectively the movie could be good...
How do we know it will be that bad though? I really liked Garden State, like a lot. Do I have shitty taste? : (
I haven't seen much criticism, if any, outside of here.
sevenchaos
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At first I was like, "no." But then I watched his little video and remembered how much I like Garden State.
Yes!
Just joking. I liked it too. But then again, I was like 14 or 15 when I saw it. I'm sure I'd think it was shit if I watched it again.
FlutterPuffs
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No, it's a good movie and remarkably well made.
Just because a movie has romance, or has a slow burning build up doesn't make it shitty. I agree if it's not for you, but it wasn't shitty.
Doctor West
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To be fair though, they're two different beasts. One is for a show with a cult following and the other was a vanity project. It's not hard to see why Hart's bombed big time. People don't just want to see an actor/actress they like, they wanted to see a return of a beloved character.
Foxy Fox 39
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You're trying to find an analogy for this scenario and argue against it (strawman perhaps) but I don't think you'll ever be successful because you don't quite grasp the concept of kickstarter, crowdsourcing or being an investor for the creation of a product vs whatever the heck you're on about. The fact that he offers a position as an extra with a line in the movie, but there are no guarantees that you'll actually be in the movie is laughable. Why don't you come up with an analogy for that?
Heidecker's followers have been giving him a lot of shit. And Heidecker has been re-tweeting some of their choice insults.
But for the most part, people actually in the industry seem very supportive. He's getting tweet-endorsements from a ton of celebrities -- James Franco, Courtney Cox, Chris Rock, Jessica Simpson, Felicia Day, Sasha Grey (lol).
I already did. He is selling something. You give him $10 and in return you receive some emails and the ability to contribute to a goal you want to see accomplished. Maybe you contribute a few thousand for the chance to be an extra on top of a few other items and the aforementioned chance to participate in accomplishing this. You are receiving something in return for your money. You're making a purchase the same way as anything else. Don't think it's a good deal? Do the same thing you do with anything else you don't think is a good deal: don't fucking buy it. And when you don't buy it refrain from implying anyone who does is stupid and being taken advantage of because they just don't know any better.
I don't understand any of these moronic arguments against kickstarter. These threads always strike me as some mass delusion where people lose the ability to process the world in front of them for some reason.
Not winding up in the film is one of the risks of being an extra. That said, I gotta imagine Braff will attempt to put his extras into relatively important scenes. There's only 50 Kickstarter extras, so all it takes is one shot of a crowd at a concert or a ballgame or something.
You're also assuming that the only allure of being an extra is winding up on-screen, when there's arguably more to it than that. You get to be on-set, see what a film production looks/feels like, and you'll probably meet Braff or at the very least get an in-person "Thank you".
HP_Wuvcraft
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Are you on the same forum I am?
The one that coined the phrase "dudebro"? The one where people create justifications for why people like games that they don't?
Foxy Fox 39
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This is the second time I had to iterate that the problem isn't kickstarter or the backers, just that what he's offering seems incredibly lame and non-committal considering he's asking for an aggregate of 2 mil. If it were possible (I'm not entirely sure its not) I'm sure he would have gladly done a donation pool instead. Seems like he's offerring as little as possible while at the same time supremely benefiting from this avenue without any sort of tangible/meaningful promise/commitment to his backers. Basically subsistent tiers. I don't have a problem with people buying it. I never complain about how people spend their money, which is why you'll never see me rant about people paying tithes or a celebrity buying a useless toy.
I have a problem with this specific kickstarter and the nature of the tiers offered especially when you consider his status.
Foxy Fox 39
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I did consider this, but then I thought why even say it? Why not just say spend a day with the cast?
Already at $1.3M. Glad to see that he'll be able to meet the target.
It's not lame to the people who are willing to pay for it. Just because you consider it lame doesn't mean others do. Many people think buying luxury goods to be lame, others think buying limited edition of video games to be lame. Heck, there are people out there who think video game is lame.
He is not doing anything dodgy, he put it in plain writing what people will get in exact terms and some people decided they wanted to pay for it. So what's the problem here?
It's not lame to the people who are willing to pay for it. Just because you consider it lame doesn't mean others do. Many people think buying luxury goods to be lame, others think buying limited edition of video games to be lame. Heck, there are people out there who think video game is lame.
He is not doing anything dodgy, he put it in plain writing what people will get in exact terms and some people decided they wanted to pay for it. So what's the problem here?
Foxy Fox 39
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Non-committal, thus lame. especially considering the security and commitment he gets from his backers.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
So you go next level.... on a video game forum OT.
So you don't think what he's offering is worth the price he's asking. Clearly many people disagree, which makes it a bit difficult to entertain this notion that he's trying to rip everyone off.
A $25,000 Rolex is worthless to me because I don't care. Should I have a problem with Rolex? Can I be secure enough in my own decision to not feel the need to tell myself and those around me how shitty it is to charge so much for a clock on your wrist?
What do you mean by this, specifically? The reward tiers seem like pretty standard Kickstarter stuff.
At this point most people seem to think it's a smart move to rely on mostly digital rewards for lower tiers, because so many Kickstarters end up burning away their money on fulfilling the reward tiers. That said, there's still a t-shirt, autographed DVDs, signed lithographs and art prints, etc. And as with any campaign , more tiers and stretch goals are bound to be added.
At this point the "Set Visit for Two" reward tier is sold out. So if you wanna be on set during shooting then you pretty much have to move up to the "Extra" tier.
For what it's worth, he's already said that he is spending a good deal of his own money on the production.
I'm not sure what the problem is .
The base tier is normal , you get nothing . Second tier you get a sound track and playlist.
The next tier you get a screening of the movie. Sounds like you will get 3 actually and the sound track.
This seems standard for everything out there. The only difference is you don't get a copy of the movie. But then again when I see a phatom event like rift tracks I don't get to keep the movie either.
This kickstarter seems like standard fare.
LyleLanley
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This feels gross, I thought kick starter was meant for ideas that wouldn't have been able to get off the ground without crowd funding.
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