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Zendaya's role in SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING has been revealed!

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icespide

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I'm not talking like full on bright red where it looks like she's wearing a wig. Like red highlights or a fade. Girls do that shit all the time. Plus, if she's doing it FOR the dance specifically, who cares. She might not even have it in the next movie. If she never dyes it at all, I won't care, but it's a nice nod to the OG character and to the fans.
yeah when you put it that way it'd be alright
 

NastyBook

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Where do y'all GET these things from? LMFAO!
 
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And has been explained to you numerous times , white people are VERY well represented in media.
Minority representation is still improving.

I'm black and grew up watching shows/movies, reading comics/books where the majority of the characters were white. That shit affects you, some more than others. Especially kids. it's important that they get to see themselves represented. Diversity matters.

If you refuse to understand this, then whatever.

I get that, but black people being affected by a white person playing a black character doesn't mean that a white person can't be cast in a black character's role. I accept the fact that the consequences will be good. But I'm not a consequentialist.
 

KingV

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I mean, it'd be gross as fuck to enforce caucasian beauty standards like that. why cant minorities just look like minorities instead of play redhead dressup to sate diet racist comic fans

why cant zendaya just look like zendaya

Zendaya is well-known for ever-changing hairstyles with weave, extensions, and wigs. She talked about it in an interview. So it seems consistent with her irl personality.
 
I mean, it'd be gross as fuck to enforce caucasian beauty standards like that. why cant minorities just look like minorities instead of play redhead dressup to sate diet racist comic fans

why cant zendaya just look like zendaya

Depending on what they want to do with MJ in the MCU, if she's going to be the love interest, giving her somewhat red (dyed?) hair would make her stand out more than the others, and, in my opinion, make her instantly recognisable as to who she is, plus giving her something to stand out.

Granted my knowledge of spiderman is basically some cartoons as a kid and the existing movies he's in, so I might be wrong and there are a bunch of red heads running around in the spiderman canon I don't know about.
 
Holy shit. lol.

I don't hate white people. I have, at least, like four friends that are white.

BTW, you just said it's okay to hate white people, but it's not okay to hate minorities.

This is why people are judging you.

The typical "I have white friends" excuse? I see right through you, friend! Well let me tell you white people are tired of hearing it. Our people have been oppressed for 8 long years!
 
I get that, but black people being affected by a white person playing a black character doesn't mean that a white person can't be cast in a black character's role. I accept the fact that the consequences will be good. But I'm not a consequentialist.

well i mean, i guess your opinion is at least consistent

yes, it is technically unfair that one race gets to do something and another doesn't if you ignore the context, consequences, and climate behind it

But i mean, most people looking at this are not ignoring the context, consequences, and climate behind it
 
I mean, it'd be gross as fuck to enforce caucasian beauty standards like that. why cant minorities just look like minorities instead of play redhead dressup to sate diet racist comic fans

why cant zendaya just look like zendaya

...that's not why the redhead dye makeover would be done, it'd be done as a nod to the comic character and her one defining trait

red hair isn't exclusive to Caucasians

and we're not talking actual red hair like Dunst did, like highlights or that mockup of Zendaya's selfie someone did in like page 5 of this thread
 
Man, who gives a shit? Im not familliar with her work hopefully she does a good job. I cant belive people are getting upset about this. And for people bringing up black panther, his race is central to his character, there is a keen difference between him and someone like MJ watson when it comes to the ethnicity of the actor.
 
She's gonna have a big reveal moment near the end of film, where we see that she has dyed her hair platinum blond, and that's when the riots begin.
 
...that's not why the redhead dye makeover would be done, it'd be done as a nod to the comic character and her one defining trait

red hair isn't exclusive to Caucasians

and we're not talking actual red hair like Dunst did, like highlights or that mockup of Zendaya's selfie someone did in like page 5 of this thread

if the mary jane character makes herself look like the prior caucasian redhead model of the character at the end of the movie, what kind of message does that send to the audience about how the character is "supposed" to look?

and mj's red hair doesn't define her any more than her skin color does.
 
Can I bring up that this Mary Jane is half white?

Is it okay that I am a little bit offended by that?

I mean, as an isolated incident, sure that is fine and the girl is beautiful (should still get red hair, but I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it when we live in a world with a brunette Hawkeye).

But my admittedly anecdotal as all hell view is that there is an effort to only allow acceptably light skinned women in to these roles of beautiful super hero and comic book characters.

Storm was cast as half white both times, and she is a straight up full blooded African.

The only dark skinned women that immediately come to mind were both Amanda Waller, who is decidedly not beautiful in the comics, and was not presented as beautiful in either movie.

I realize there is an insanely small pool here to look at, but given the relative scarcity of roles for black women in general, why are we only getting half white ladies?


Am I being racist there? I legit don't know. Is this in my head? I get angry about Storm's portrayal in film, so I may just be projecting that or something I dunno.
 

Blader

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I get that, but black people being affected by a white person playing a black character doesn't mean that a white person can't be cast in a black character's role. I accept the fact that the consequences will be good. But I'm not a consequentialist.

No, that's exactly what it means.
 
The whole 3rd act intro is gonna be Zendaya showing up to Peter's door all decked out for the Homecoming dance with her hair dyed red and she's gonna say the famous "face it Tiger" line in some fashion. Then Peter will say something about how he likes her new hair color and that'll be that. And in the end, no one will give a fuck cause the movie will be awesome.

Close.

Peter opens the front door.
Camera pan from shoes up.

Peter: Wow MJ.. You look great!

Peter notices her hair change.

Peter: Whoa. You changed your hair.

MJ: Yeah. My parents thought a more classic look would be better. You like it?

Peter: I mean... It looks great but it seems a little.. I don't know.. Unecessary?

MJ (smiling): I thought so too.

MJ pulls off the red wig and tosses it into the bushes.

MJ: Classic is overrated.

Peter: I don't know if I'd go that far. Classics can be safe and comforting

MJ: Face it tiger, with me, "safe" isn't an option.

-end scene-

Written by Joss Whedon
just to bug people even more :p
 
Isn't Zendaya half white half black? Is there a a limit on the amount of black you can have in you before it's just too much to play a certain role or something? Do people think one drop spoils the whole thing? I don't get people
 
if the mary jane character makes herself look like the prior caucasian redhead model of the character at the end of the movie, what kind of message does that send to the audience about how the character is "supposed" to look?

and mj's red hair doesn't define her any more than her skin color does.
What a load of shit.
 
if the mary jane character makes herself look like the prior caucasian redhead model of the character at the end of the movie, what kind of message does that send to the audience about how the character is "supposed" to look?

and mj's red hair doesn't define her any more than her skin color does.

the message it sends is that she's supposed to have red hair

that's literally it

when people think mary jane, they think redhead supermodel
 
Can I bring up that this Mary Jane is half white?

Is it okay that I am a little bit offended by that?

I mean, as an isolated incident, sure that is fine and the girl is beautiful (should still get red hair, but I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it when we live in a world with a brunette Hawkeye).

But my admittedly anecdotal as all hell view is that there is an effort to only allow acceptably light skinned women in to these roles of beautiful super hero and comic book characters.

Storm was cast as half white both times, and she is a straight up full blooded African.

The only dark skinned women that immediately come to mind were both Amanda Waller, who is decidedly not beautiful in the comics, and was not presented as beautiful in either movie.

I realize there is an insanely small pool here to look at, but given the relative scarcity of roles for black women in general, why are we only getting half white ladies?


Am I being racist there? I legit don't know. Is this in my head? I get angry about Storm's portrayal in film, so I may just be projecting that or something I dunno.

You can at least take solace in the fact that Black Panther will be gloriously black as fuck.
 
What a load of shit.

I'm really not seeing how "gorgeous model that's out of peter's league" is limited to redheads only

i'm also not seeing how red hair is somehow any more or any less of a character trait than white skin

i mean shit, we've had several osborns without their hilarious haircuts and yet somehow those characters are still recognizable. haircuts and skin colors are not the end all be all here.

the message it sends is that she's supposed to have red hair

that's literally it

when people think mary jane, they think redhead supermodel

they think of a white woman with red hair, because that is how the character has always been portrayed.

why is her red hair in any way more important than any other physical characteristic? why can the osborns have their haircuts altered and yet this would destroy mj's recognizability?
 
If somebody wants to fight racism against black people or women or someone else, then the solution isn't to make a discrimination against the race or the gender who has never faced racism, but to find ways that can show people that we are all equals.

I get that many black people has suffered because of discriminations, but that's an argument on why we should fight every discrimination.

Fair treatment is not the same as equal treatment. You could crash your bike onto a wall and a kitten. That wall would most likely be fine, but that kitten would probably be dead.

Dodgy analogy aside, I understand the compulsion to adhere to the "everyone must be treated equally" mantra. It's just... disappointing when people hold to that so tight, divorced from all context and consequences. That way of thinking stacks heavily towards maintaining the status quo.
 
I'm really not seeing how "gorgeous model that's out of peter's league" is limited to redheads only

i'm also not seeing how red hair is somehow any more or any less of a character trait than white skin

i mean shit, we've had several osborns without their hilarious haircuts and yet somehow those characters are still recognizable. haircuts and skin colors are not the end all be all here.

hair color in general, sure, isn't any more significant or important a character trait than skin colour

that doesn't apply to Mary Jane tho
 
Can I bring up that this Mary Jane is half white?

Is it okay that I am a little bit offended by that?

I mean, as an isolated incident, sure that is fine and the girl is beautiful (should still get red hair, but I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it when we live in a world with a brunette Hawkeye).

But my admittedly anecdotal as all hell view is that there is an effort to only allow acceptably light skinned women in to these roles of beautiful super hero and comic book characters.

Storm was cast as half white both times, and she is a straight up full blooded African.

The only dark skinned women that immediately come to mind were both Amanda Waller, who is decidedly not beautiful in the comics, and was not presented as beautiful in either movie.

I realize there is an insanely small pool here to look at, but given the relative scarcity of roles for black women in general, why are we only getting half white ladies?


Am I being racist there? I legit don't know. Is this in my head? I get angry about Storm's portrayal in film, so I may just be projecting that or something I dunno.

No. Its not okay to be offended by that.
 

Litan

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Can I bring up that this Mary Jane is half white?

Is it okay that I am a little bit offended by that?

I mean, as an isolated incident, sure that is fine and the girl is beautiful (should still get red hair, but I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it when we live in a world with a brunette Hawkeye).

But my admittedly anecdotal as all hell view is that there is an effort to only allow acceptably light skinned women in to these roles of beautiful super hero and comic book characters.

Storm was cast as half white both times, and she is a straight up full blooded African.

The only dark skinned women that immediately come to mind were both Amanda Waller, who is decidedly not beautiful in the comics, and was not presented as beautiful in either movie.

I realize there is an insanely small pool here to look at, but given the relative scarcity of roles for black women in general, why are we only getting half white ladies?


Am I being racist there? I legit don't know. Is this in my head? I get angry about Storm's portrayal in film, so I may just be projecting that or something I dunno.

I'm expecting Black Panther to have a lot of great dark skinned female characters. The Dora Milaje and T'Challa's mom especially.

But yeah, I understand what youre saying.
 
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