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[Skilletor]

Bitch the movie is in Queens NY, not Helsinki Finland

LOL!

 

[Veritigo_X]

The outrage over this is hilarious.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

But I don't give a fuck about America dude. I'm not american. Why should I care ?

America is not the center of the world.

Well, to begin with, this is a discussion about diverse representation in American media, using an American-made film set in America as a jumping point.

 

[rrc1594]

Bitch the movie is in Queens NY, not Helsinki Finland

LMAO

 

[phanphare]

Bitch the movie is in Queens NY, not Helsinki Finland

hype deflated

 

[Jpop]

SMFH, this thread.....

 

[Blader]

Bitch the movie is in Queens NY, not Helsinki Finland

There's your OT title

 

[Dai101]

I just have one question ...

Would people be okay if a major character in Black Panther who's originally black was played by a white actor ? Instead of having an all-black cast ?

Because it goes both ways IMO ... Diversity seems to mean "non white" nowadays.

Whereas to me it means "people of all colors".

Hmmmm.... That sounds eerily familiar. Oh!bbpvt9o]] Wait

“Diversity is a code word for White Genocide“

 

[Gordon Shumway]

But I don't give a fuck about America dude. I'm not american. Why should I care ?

America is not the center of the world.

😐

This is an american movie, developed by American people, depicting American life, casting based on American histories and values.

Its kiiiiinda the center of this topic.

I mean..holy shit. lol

 

[bob_arctor]

Bitch the movie is in Queens NY, not Helsinki Finland

 

[The Cretan]

So if BP was cast as a white dude and people weren't accepting of that, it would be discrimation against white people despite the fact that BP is a hero whose race is central to his character and those of his people? No.
Want an example you can understand? Captain America. Based on his origin that's a character who, if he had been cast as black or some other minority, would have been hard to swallow.




We're 13 movies into the MCU and every lead has been a white male (unless you count BW in avenger movies. Still white, though.)
So, yeah, if they'd change Falcon, one of the first black heroes in comics, you bet people would be upset. Instead of trying to create this anti-white narrative that doesn't exist, maybe you should just be glad that Marvel is stepping up with diversifying their movies.


That's exactly what you're trying to argue.

'find ways to show we're all equals'

How does working towards a more diverse actor pool in Hollywood by casting more minorities, i.e., Zendaya as Mary Jane, NOT help that cause?

Improving representation for minorities or women in film is not discrimination against whites or men.

White men in Hollywood face no racial or gender discrimination whatsoever. Not now, not ever. Having a white actor play a traditionally black character is worlds apart from having a black actor playing a traditionally white character. There's a loss of representation in the former scenario; there's no such loss in the latter because whites are in no danger of not being represented on screen.

The only reason black to white is "discrimination" is because of the context surrounding it. There's literally nothing discriminating about the plain concept of having people of different races play the same character.

You're reaching so damn hard for equivalence here but that's just... Not how this works. That's a frankly childish view of why changing black characters to white is seen as a problem in the first place.

I'm saying again that I'm not against the casting decision. I'm against the thinking that a white character can be played by a black person, but a white person can't play a black character.

do you understand what minority scholarships are

Please explain.

 

[Lifejumper]

I dont mind the change.. But uuhh isnt zendaya much taller than tom holland?

 

[Fencedude]

And I'm getting insulted for mentioning that anti-white racism exists in some urban areas as well. Well I do suffer from it, often. But I guess it doesn't matter ...

Anyway, to me it's not even about racism anyway but accuracy. I would have been just as disappointed if she was a white blond girl ...

"White Pride Goku" is a bad look, just FYI

 

[EstoyBlackWaldo]

Bitch the movie is in Queens NY, not Helsinki Finland

Merica.

 

[SpaceWolf]

Bitch the movie is in Queens NY, not Helsinki Finland

You earned your keep today, Bronson.

 

[SargerusBR]

Bitch the movie is in Queens NY, not Helsinki Finland

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

 

[icespide]

I dont mind the change.. But uuhh isnt zendaya much taller than tom holland?

lots of movies have short lead actors, they just wear tall ass shoes

 

[-griffy-]

I'm saying again that I'm not against the casting decision. I'm against the thinking that a white character can be played by a black person, but a white person can't play a black character.

I'm gonna post this for the third time.

 

[Jest Chillin]

You think Jean Grey is higher profile than Mary Jane Watson?

Bruh...

I think you're devaluing that part of her character. Would you be okay with no S on his chest? Changing the color of Beasts blue hair to pink? Etc.

I really don't think Marvel gives a fuck what Zendaya wants to do with her hair. It's much more likely she's dying (ha) to be a part of this film at all since it's a huge role. And red hair is popular right now among women of color anyway.

I do think Jean Grey as a romantic interest is higher profile than Mary Jane.

And red hair doesn't change her value as a character at all. I'm also the wrong person to make costume comparison arguments against because I plain don't care as long as the stuff looks cool. But even then a costume is more important in a superhero property than hair color or hairstyle.

And Marvel would presumably care about what an actor wants and is willing to do for a lead role. There are some things that are dealbreakers in terms of keeping an actor in a role. I don't think hair color is one of them.

 

[Blader]

I'm saying again that I'm not against the casting decision. I'm against the thinking that a white character can be played by a black person, but a white person can't play a black character.

We know. That's what everyone is responding to.

There is cultural harm in having a white actor play a black character; there's a loss of representation. There is no such harm or loss of representation in having a black actor play a white character. That's it.

 

[itwasTuesday]

I dont mind the change.. But uuhh isnt zendaya much taller than tom holland?

As much gymnastics that mr spider-man does, it makes sense that he's short. I've been watching rio

 

[Crimson_Gold]

I'm saying again that I'm not against the casting decision. I'm against the thinking that a white character can be played by a black person, but a white person can't play a black character.

These situations are not similar. Mary Jane isn't an Arian character with designs to eradicate all Jews, Catholics and blacks. She is a beautiful model. She has red hair because of the time period she was created in. No one is stealing a white person's role. Having Ryan Gosling play black panther is essentially making the character into the white snow cat and telling black people to understand that the character needed to be more relatable

 

[RyanW]

I'm okay with this decision

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

Bitch the movie is in Queens NY, not Helsinki Finland

I think this thread reached its apex.

 

[Wingfan19]

The whole 3rd act intro is gonna be Zendaya showing up to Peter's door all decked out for the Homecoming dance with her hair dyed red and she's gonna say the famous "face it Tiger" line in some fashion. Then Peter will say something about how he likes her new hair color and that'll be that. And in the end, no one will give a fuck cause the movie will be awesome.

 

[bananafactory]

The whole 3rd act intro is gonna be Zendaya showing up to Peter's door all decked out for the Homecoming dance with her hair dyed red and she's gonna say the famous "face it Tiger" line in some fashion. Then Peter will say something about how he likes her new hair color and that'll be that. And in the end, no one will give a fuck cause the movie will be awesome.

This would be great

 

[Zabka]

I think she'll actually get less backlash than Shailene Woodley

 

[What did he mean by this?]

I wish Aunt May was Puerto-Rican

 

[Gordon Shumway]

The whole 3rd act intro is gonna be Zendaya showing up to Peter's door all decked out for the Homecoming dance with her hair dyed red and she's gonna say the famous "face it Tiger" line in some fashion. Then Peter will say something about how he likes her new hair color and that'll be that. And in the end, no one will give a fuck cause the movie will be awesome.

Fucking spoilers!

 

[plainr_]

I dont mind the change.. But uuhh isnt zendaya much taller than tom holland?

We got the technology for that now. RDJ Heels by Stark Industries.

 

[The Kree]

I wish Aunt May was Puerto-Rican

She finds out he's moonlighting as a superhero and slaps him upside the head with a house slipper.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Read that as Zenyata

 

[The Cretan]

Why did you quote me, then? Because what you just reiterated here is exactly the thing I responded to. So start with what I actually said to you and let's move forward from there.

Sorry, my bad.

We know. That's what everyone is responding to.

There is cultural harm in having a white actor play a black character; there's a loss of representation. There is no such harm or loss of representation in having a black actor play a white character. That's it.

It's a cultural harm in the one case and it isn't in the other, but I believe that you have no right to accept the former and not the latter, even if you do it for the consequences.

These situations are not similar. Mary Jane isn't an Arian character with designs to eradicate all Jews, Catholics and blacks. She is a beautiful model. She has red hair because of the time period she was created in. No one is stealing a white person's role. Having Ryan Gosling play black panther is essentially making the character into the white snow cat and telling black people to understand that the character needed to be more relatable

I support the fact that there are story reasons for a person to be white or black and sometimes there aren't these reasons. I just don't accept the way of thinking that I described before.

 

[Coffee Dog]

The whole 3rd act intro is gonna be Zendaya showing up to Peter's door all decked out for the Homecoming dance with her hair dyed red and she's gonna say the famous "face it Tiger" line in some fashion. Then Peter will say something about how he likes her new hair color and that'll be that. And in the end, no one will give a fuck cause the movie will be awesome.

I mean, it'd be gross as fuck to enforce caucasian beauty standards like that. why cant minorities just look like minorities instead of play redhead dressup to sate diet racist comic fans

why cant zendaya just look like zendaya

 

[Real Hero]

This a very worrying development, at some point all white actors will be replaced by black ones and how will white actors get jobs then?

 

[Litan]

I'm saying again that I'm not against the casting decision. I'm against the thinking that a white character can be played by a black person, but a white person can't play a black character.

And as has been explained to you numerous times , white people are VERY well represented in media.
Minority representation is still improving.

I'm black and grew up watching shows/movies, reading comics/books where the majority of the characters were white. That shit affects you, some more than others. Especially kids. it's important that they get to see themselves represented. Diversity matters.

If you refuse to understand this, then whatever.

 

[icespide]

The whole 3rd act intro is gonna be Zendaya showing up to Peter's door all decked out for the Homecoming dance with her hair dyed red and she's gonna say the famous "face it Tiger" line in some fashion. Then Peter will say something about how he likes her new hair color and that'll be that. And in the end, no one will give a fuck cause the movie will be awesome.

I'd be okay with this more if she did not dye her hair

 

[Gordon Shumway]

She finds out he's moonlighting as a superhero and slaps him upside the head with a tacón.

Sí..

 

[Angelus Errare]

When someone accepts the change X of a character, but doesn't accept the change Y (you can insert anything you want in X and Y), then you make a discrimination against the people with the characteristic Y. That's my point. I don't care if the people behind something are white or black.

So you're saying a bunch of white executives and suits discriminated against white people by making MJ black?

That makes no sense but okay.

And not all changes should be given equal support. Example, I support transgendered people. I laugh at "transracial" people.

 

[Yeezus H. Christ]

I'd be okay with this more if she did not dye her hair

nah red hair is sexy as hell

 

[Real Hero]

maybe she will dye her hair then go through a micheal jackson style facial reconstructive surgery before she shows up and says 'face it tiger' then every one can feel at ease

 

[icespide]

nah red hair is sexy as hell

I just don't think it's necessary

 

[bananafactory]

I mean, it'd be gross as fuck to enforce caucasian beauty standards like that. why cant minorities just look like minorities instead of play redhead dressup to sate diet racist comic fans

why cant zendaya just look like zendaya

I don't think red hair is a Caucasian standard - Not sure I see the problem with a hair coloring job, if it happens.

 

[Kelsdesu]

wow this thread...what happened to this forum?

This is what scared off Bobby Roberts.

 

[Coffee Dog]

It's a cultural harm in the one case and it isn't in the other, but I believe that you have no right to accept the former and not the latter, even if you do it for the consequences.

But the cultural harm is the deciding factor. You can't divorce it from the conversation, because it is the conversation.

It harms minorities when they are replaced. It does not harm white people when they are replaced.

 

[SpaceWolf]

I think she'll actually get less backlash than Shailene Woodley

Well, that's a low bar.

I'm still mildly annoyed we never got to see Woodley's brief turn as MJ in any previously released deleted scenes from TAS2. At the time I thought she was a fairly strong pick for the role. I wanna see those damn scenes!

 

[Gordon Shumway]

So you're saying a bunch of white executives and suits discriminated against white people by making MJ black?

That makes no sense but okay.

Self-hating commies..

 

[Wingfan19]

I mean, it'd be gross as fuck to enforce caucasian beauty standards like that. why cant minorities just look like minorities instead of play redhead dressup to sate diet racist comic fans

why cant zendaya just look like zendaya

I'd be okay with this more if she did not dye her hair

I'm not talking like full on bright red where it looks like she's wearing a wig. Like red highlights or a fade. Girls do that shit all the time. Plus, if she's doing it FOR the dance specifically, who cares. She might not even have it in the next movie. If she never dyes it at all, I won't care, but it's a nice nod to the OG character and to the fans.

 

[icespide]

I know everyone is pining for that "face it tiger" scene but if there's a "she's all that" angle to it I'm gonna cringe

 

[Darryl M R]

This outrage over this non-issue is giving me hypertension.