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[jon bones]

Should have been Donald Glover and Zendaya for max level fury.

he can play her dad at this point

 

[The Faceless Master]

and the craziest thing about this is she's literally recently mixed.

have you seen her mom?

how many people will truly people be upset that an actor with a white parent and a black parent gets cast as a Black character?

BUT I'TS NOT ABOUT RACE...

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Man, the day a white guy reprises a black comic character It will be amazing.

Can't wait for white Rhodey or Cyborg.

Hell, gimme a white Luke Cage.

Is there a script somewhere for these posts

 

[Gordon Shumway]

MAN. Now i feel awful for ever putting you in ignore. That was savage.

Let's not go crazy now, ese..

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Man, the day a white guy reprises a black comic character It will be amazing.

Can't wait for white Rhodey or Cyborg.

Hell, gimme a white Luke Cage.

Yeah, there's definitely a severe shortage of white guys in the MCU.

 

[Skilletor]

Jean at her most popular was in xmen evolution. Other than that she's been a one note lust angle for both wolverine and Cyclops in the 90s cartoon. (Her second largest role)Miss me with that revisionist bs. Thats like saying iron man was popular since he was with the avengers in the 60s.

Wut?

 

[Parallax]

With... the Dark Phoenix Saga?



And in the meantime, Jean Grey was still supporting in 70's team under the Wein and later Byrne, culminating in the first Phoenix appearance in 1976. Jean Grey has had far more impact than Mary Jane, as her own character nonetheless.



Nah. This whole talk up of Jean Grey in the comics now? That's the writers talking through their characters. They can't let the character go and it's because she was such a big part of their time as readers.


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youre saying a whole lot about the comics, but what does that have to say about her popularity as a character in the public eye? none of the 05 are popular outside of cyclops to a slight degree. hell the popularity of the mutants in general starts with wolverine

Wut?

you disagree?

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

With... the Dark Phoenix Saga?



And in the meantime, Jean Grey was still supporting in 70's team under the Wein and later Byrne, culminating in the first Phoenix appearance in 1976. Jean Grey has had far more impact than Mary Jane, as her own character nonetheless. Mary Jane has that one panel everyone posts - "Face it Tiger!" - and the fact that she married Spider-Man.

The X-Men didn't become popular with Dark Phoenix Saga, at least according to John Byrne. He claims that it remained a niche book until sometime around when Paul Smith took over, which was after she died.

She has been dead longer than she has been alive since the X-Men got popular and she's pretty much only known for dying. She was basically worthless in the 60s like every female Stan Lee character. In the 70s Claremont built her up a little before killing her. She was basically a nonentity from her resurrection through the 90s (ironically nobody cared about her wedding) and she got a little more to do before Morrison killed her again. She's better known as a plot device than an actual character. Not that Mary Jane is much better, but she's at least been more consistently involved with the Franchise than Jean has.

 

[Jest Chillin]

It is weird to see such passionate arguments over Mary Jane vs Jean Grey's popularity.

They are both pretty comparable, with each only being famous for having appeared in movies and 90's cartoon series and neither being extraordinarily more prominent than the other.

Jean has technically been around longer but was not a major figure even in the X-Men until the Phoenix Saga, which is really all she has been famous for since. Mary Jane is famous for being Peter's girlfriend then wife.

Do you all really think there is some significant gulf between these two in terms of recognition?

In terms of mainstream recognition, yes. One is known as Spidey's girlfriend. The other has been a main character in every piece of media she's appeared in including cross-branded video games.

In terms of devoted comic buyers... It doesn't matter. Sounds rude, but it doesn't. Because there is no way to objectively prove either way in addition to the nature of focusing on such an extreme subset of fans. No meaningful benefit to the movie.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

It is weird to see such passionate arguments over Mary Jane vs Jean Grey's popularity.

They are both pretty comparable, with each only being famous for having appeared in movies and 90's cartoon series and neither being extraordinarily more prominent than the other.

Jean has technically been around longer but was not a major figure even in the X-Men until the Phoenix Saga, which is really all she has been famous for since. Mary Jane is famous for being Peter's girlfriend then wife.

Do you all really think there is some significant gulf between these two in terms of recognition?

I would think that MJ would be more recognizable simply because she's probably been in more media than Jean.

Using comic book popularity ironically probably isn't the best way to judge a comic book characters popularity considering that all of the other media these characters are involved in probably gets way more eyes on them. Everyone at least remembers MJ because of Kirsten Dunst in the movies. Whereas movie Jean Grey is overall pretty forgettable.

 

[Skilletor]

you disagree?

I genuinely had no idea Xmen evolution got 4 seasons, lmao.

Looked it up after your comment.

 

[MHWilliams]

The X-Men didn't become popular with Dark Phoenix Saga, at least according to John Byrne. He claims that it remained a niche book until sometime around when Paul Smith took over, which was after she died.

She has been dead longer than she has been alive since the X-Men got popular and she's pretty much only known for dying. She was basically worthless in the 60s like every female Stan Lee character. In the 70s Claremont built her up a little before killing her. She was basically a nonentity from her resurrection through the 90s (ironically nobody cared about her wedding) and she got a little more to do before Morrison killed her again. She's better known as a plot device than an actual character. Not that Mary Jane is much better, but she's at least been more consistently involved with the Franchise than Jean has.

Unfortunately, most of MJ's use over much of that was as a kidnap victim. Probably since 2000, Marvel has tried it damnest to keep them apart, culminating in the dreaded OMD.

I'll concede on your latter point.

youre saying a whole lot about the comics, but what does that have to say about her popularity as a character in the public eye? none of the 05 are popular outside of cyclops to a slight degree. hell the popularity of the mutants in general starts with wolverine

I'll agree with the latter on Wolverine. Who stans for a certain redhead all the damn time.

Within the O5? Jean is the biggest. And I say this as an unabashed Cyke lover.

There's a reason X-Men Apoc ended with this lady

Spoiler

wrecking the villain

.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

In terms of mainstream recognition, yes. One is known as Spidey's girlfriend. The other has been a main character in every piece of media she's appeared in including cross-branded video games.

In terms of devoted comic buyers... It doesn't matter. Sounds rude, but it doesn't. Because there is no way to objectively prove either way in addition to the nature of focusing on such an extreme subset of fans. No meaningful benefit to the movie.

Jean absolutely was not a main character in every piece of media. That is a ridiculous claim. Jean was a supporting character in every film she was in (save perhaps X-Men 3 where she was one of the villains), as well as every cartoon.


But that is beside the point anyway. Do you actually believe there is a significant number of people on the planet who have heard of Jean Grey but not Mary Jane? And furthermore, what evidence do you have to support that claim?

edit:

I would think that MJ would be more recognizable simply because she's probably been in more media than Jean.

Using comic book popularity ironically probably isn't the best way to judge a comic book characters popularity considering that all of the other media these characters are involved in probably gets way more eyes on them. Everyone at least remembers MJ because of Kirsten Dunst in the movies. Whereas movie Jean Grey is overall pretty forgettable.

Same question... flip the ladies.

Do you actually believe there is a significant number of people on the planet who have heard of Mary Jane but not Jean Grey? And furthermore, what evidence do you have to support that claim?

 

[Parallax]

Unfortunately, most of MJ's use over much of that was as a kidnap victim. Probably since 2000, Marvel has tried it damnest to keep them apart, culminating in the dreaded OMD.

I'll concede on your latter point.



I'll agree with the latter on Wolverine. Who stans for a certain redhead all the damn time.

Within the O5? Jean is the biggest. And I say this as an unabashed Cyke lover.

There's a reason X-Men Apoc ended with this lady

Spoiler

wrecking the villain

.

i disagree with that. singer has something against scott. theres no reason the constant leader is little more than a footnote even under the lesser members of the 5 without that

 

[MHWilliams]

singer has something against scott.

I can't argue this truth.

 

[Aaronology]

I would think that MJ would be more recognizable simply because she's probably been in more media than Jean.

As a gamer I think I'm approaching this with a certain bias. Grey has been in dozens of games, going back decades and almost always featured prominently in most of them. Gamemaster's Legacy was one of my first Gamegear titles and it was only a few years ago I was whining about Phoenix needing a nerf in MvC3. Mary Jane Watson is just a popular supporting character in my mind by comparison, but apparently it is arguable that she's more well known given how this discussion has blown up.

I stand corrected.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

i disagree with that. singer has something against scott. theres no reason the constant leader is little more than a footnote even under the lesser members of the 5 without that

Singer has something against the whole damn IP itself, in my opinion.

 

[BronsonLee]

MAN. Now i feel awful for ever putting you in ignore. That was savage.

I have my highs and lows.

Spoiler

mostly lows

Let's not go crazy now, ese..

I will walk right into the BCT again I swear

 

[Jest Chillin]

Jean absolutely was not a main character in every piece of media. That is a ridiculous claim. Jean was a supporting character in every film she was in (save perhaps X-Men 3 where she was one of the villains), as well as every cartoon.


But that is beside the point anyway. Do you actually believe there is a significant number of people on the planet who have heard of Jean Grey but not Mary Jane? And furthermore, what evidence do you have to support that claim?

You realize that you can be a main character in a movie without being a protagonist or antagonist right? Jean was a main in X1, X2, and X3. And she was placed front and center as both Cyke and Wolvie's love interest.

She's also main cast in the cartoons as well.

MJ has only ever been Spidey's love interest and damsel and recently she's sharing that with Gwen.

No one in this discussion has put forth any evidence thus far and I even pointed out how it's not possible for either side to produce evidence in the very post you quoted. So your gotcha game is pretty pointless on that one.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Jean absolutely was not a main character in every piece of media. That is a ridiculous claim. Jean was a supporting character in every film she was in (save perhaps X-Men 3 where she was one of the villains), as well as every cartoon.


But that is beside the point anyway. Do you actually believe there is a significant number of people on the planet who have heard of Jean Grey but not Mary Jane? And furthermore, what evidence do you have to support that claim?

edit:



Same question... flip the ladies.

Do you actually believe there is a significant number of people on the planet who have heard of Mary Jane but not Jean Grey? And furthermore, what evidence do you have to support that claim?

I'm not making a definitive statement. I can't prove that more people know MJ. There is no way for me to gauge that. The only thing I can go by is how often they appear, because the more ways they're able to be seen the higher chance that a larger amount of people know them.

I mean, Jean's biggest roles outside of comics are things like the 90's X-Men cartoon, where I would bet that she's one of the lesser remembered characters, and the movies where she's defintely not at the forefront for most of them. And the movie where she probably plays her biggest part is the one that almost everyone claims is the worst X-Men movie.

 

[Parallax]

You realize that you can be a main character in a movie without being a protagonist or antagonist right? Jean was a main in X1, X2, and X3. And she was placed front and center as both Cyke and Wolvie's love interest.

She's also main cast in the cartoons as well.

MJ has only ever been Spidey's love interest and damsel and recently she's sharing that with Gwen.

No one in this discussion has put forth any evidence thus far and I even pointed out how it's not possible for either side to produce evidence in the very post you quoted. So your gotcha game is pretty pointless on that one.

she was main cast in evolution. she wasnt in pryde of the xmen, and she was a side character in xmen and wolverine and the xmen. and in the most popular of the xmen games(the vs series) shes a literal background character until the most recent game.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

You realize that you can be a main character in a movie without being a protagonist or antagonist right? Jean was a main in X1, X2, and X3. And she was placed front and center as both Cyke and Wolvie's love interest.

She's also main cast in the cartoons as well.

MJ has only ever been Spidey's love interest and damsel and recently she's sharing that with Gwen.

No one in this discussion has put forth any evidence thus far and I even pointed out how it's not possible for either side to produce evidence in the very post you quoted. So your gotcha game is pretty pointless on that one.

If you want to argue the entirely subjective point that you think Jean had a bigger role in X-Men, then that is fine. Though my point is merely that there is too little evidence to make that determination, so the onus is on you to provide any kind of evidence for it.

However, right now it seems that you are hinging your entire point on the obvious falsehood that Mary Jane being Peter's love interest somehow disqualifies her from being a main character in the Spider-Man films.

I am not going to argue that with you. It is a statement of fact that Mary Jane was a main character in the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films. If you want to dispute that, then take it up with someone else.


edit: to take this from both sides at once.

I'm not making a definitive statement. I can't prove that more people know MJ. There is no way for me to gauge that. The only thing I can go by is how often they appear, because the more ways they're able to be seen the higher chance that a larger amount of people know them.

I mean, Jean's biggest roles outside of comics are things like the 90's X-Men cartoon, where I would bet that she's one of the lesser remembered characters, and the movies where she's defintely not at the forefront for most of them. And the movie where she probably plays her biggest part is the one that almost everyone claims is the worst X-Men movie.

Jean is a major plot device at the very least in the cartoon series and was central to the very popular Phoenix stories as well as the whole Mr. Sinister arc and was the center of the very prominent love triangle. Also, in the films she has a major role and X-Men 3 despite how well received it was critically was among the most successful int he franchise, so it was definitely very widely seen.

 

[Jest Chillin]

I'm not making a definitive statement. I can't prove that more people know MJ. There is no way for me to gauge that. The only thing I can go by is how often they appear, because the more ways they're able to be seen the higher chance that a larger amount of people know her.

I mean, Jean's biggest roles outside of comics are things like the 90's X-Men cartoon, where I would bet that she's one of the lesser remembered characters, and the movies where she's defintely not at the forefront for most of them. And the movie where she probably plays her biggest part is the one that almost everyone claims is the worst X-Men movie.

I'd agree with you on the 90s cartoon if you were talking about Morph rather than Jean but even if only due to Wolverine having a thing for her in that show as well in addition to Xavier always talking about how strong she really is and having her assist him in Cerebro, I have to disagree.

And I'm not at all a big fan of X Men in general either.

Edit:

If you want to argue the entirely subjective point that you think Jean had a bigger role in X-Men, then that is fine. Though my point is merely that there is too little evidence to make that determination, so the onus is on you to provide any kind of evidence for it.

However, right now it seems that you are hinging your entire point on the obvious falsehood that Mary Jane being Peter's love interest somehow disqualifies her from being a main character in the Spider-Man films.

I am not going to argue that with you. It is a statement of fact that Mary Jane was a main character in the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films. If you want to dispute that, then take it up with someone else.

Never said MJ wasn't a main character in Raini's movies though I can see why you thought I was inferring that. I was generalizing MJ's role in the overall Spidey media as it's been exposed to the mainstream audience.

My point is based on the fact that Jean was main in far more media than MJ as MJ has mostly been relegated to the girlfriend and damsel role. Even as a main in the Raimi films she spends a lot of time as a damsel. And I would argue that Gwen being used while MJ was put on the back burner for the ASM films has had the side effect of lowering, however slightly, MJ's presence in the mainstream cultural zeitgeist of Spiderman.

 

[Aaronology]

and in the most popular of the xmen games(the vs series) shes a literal background character until the most recent game.

I am not sure it's fair to malign her role in video games given that she has frequently been a playable character in Marvel titles going back to the early 90s. What has Mary Jane been, besides an NPC to be rescued?

 

[Zen_Arcade]

I'd agree with you on the 90s cartoon if you were talking about Morph rather than Jean but even if only due to Wolverine having a thing for her in that show as well in addition to Xavier always talking about how strong she really is and having her assist him in Cerebro, I have to disagree.

And I'm not at all a big fan of Men in general either.

Out of the 9 main members of that show, I feel like she's pretty clearly at least in the middle in terms of memorability.

She's not more memorable than:

Wolverine
Cyclops
Gambit
Prof X

At least. She might be behind Storm too.

She's definitely more remembered than Jubilee/Beast/Rogue.

I'd also argue that Rogue might be more important to most of the X-Men movies than Jean is. In fact, a lot of her time in those movies deals with her being in a love triangle with Wolverine and Cyclops. I'm sure there are more, but the only things I remember her doing in those movies outside of the love triangle are the end of X2 and the end of X3. Both of which involved her dying. And even the end of X3 has Wolverine there right next to her playing up their romantic relationship.

 

[Parallax]

I am not sure it's fair to malign her role in video games given that she has frequently been a playable character in Marvel titles going back to the early 90s. What has Mary Jane been, besides an NPC to be rescued?

she doesnt need to be in games to note her popularity. when spider man appears on a scene of any sort, mary jane is usually right beside him, even before aunt may at times.

 

[Jest Chillin]

Out of the 9 main members of that show, I feel like she's pretty clearly at least in the middle in terms of memorability.

She's not more memorable than:

Wolverine
Cyclops
Gambit
Prof X

At least. She might be behind Storm too.

She's definitely more remembered than Jubilee/Beast/Rogue.

I'd also argue that Rogue might be more important to most of the X-Men movies than Jean is. In fact, a lot of her time in those movies deals with her being in a love triangle with Wolverine and Cyclops. I'm sure there are more, but the only things I remember her doing in those movies outside of the love triangle are the end of X2 and the end of X3. Both of which involved her dying. And even the end of X3 has Wolverine there right next to her playing up their romantic relationship.

I have to disagree. Jean is extremely memorable in that show. Her purple colored psychic bubble shields and traveling bubbles, her using cerebro, reading minds, and being the center of conflict between Cyke and Wolverine are all extremely clear in my mind when I think about that show.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

I am not sure it's fair to malign her role in video games given that she has frequently been a playable character in Marvel titles going back to the early 90s. What has Mary Jane been, besides an NPC to be rescued?

Wait, what games was she playable in?

I don't remember her in any that I played.

edit:

I have to disagree. Jean is extremely memorable in that show. Her purple colored psychic bubble shields and traveling bubbles, her using cerebro, reading minds, and being the center of conflict between Cyke and Wolverine are all extremely clear in my mind when I think about that show.

Let's be honest here. She isn't famous for any of that, she is famous for saying "Scott" and for her weird psychic moaning. But mostly for her fucking awesome repeated and brutal shut downs of Wolverine every time he tried to get all creepy on her while she was clearly not interested in his short hairy ass. Shit was wonderful.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

I have to disagree. Jean is extremely memorable in that show. Her purple colored psychic bubble shields and traveling bubbles, her using cerebro, reading minds, and being the center of conflict between Cyke and Wolverine are all extremely clear in my mind when I think about that show.

Hey man, we will have to agree to disagree here. We can't really prove how many people know what and people probably remember all kinds of different things about that show.

Either way, I certainly don't think the idea that Jean Grey is well known or memorable is far fetched. She's obviously an important part of the X-Men and X-Men is a really popular universe. I just think that MJ edges her out.

 

[Exploratory]

Guys I'm willing to go out on the streets of New York and ask people what redhead do they know if it'll prove a point on the Internet.

 

[Iceternal]

MAN. Now i feel awful for ever putting you in ignore. That was savage.

Except for the bitch part, even I laughed.

 

[AMUSIX]

I would make the argument that she's the most well known red head in comics.

 

[Fencedude]

Congratulations guys you've managed to find an argument more tiresome and pointless than even the racism discussion.

Good job.

 

[Exploratory]

Congratulations guys you've managed to find an argument more tiresome and pointless than even the racism discussion.

Good job.

Just because you don't care doesn't mean other people don't. You don't have to be an ass about it it's poor form.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Guys I'm willing to go out on the streets of New York and ask people what redhead do they know if it'll prove a point on the Internet.

Just show em pictures of the characters from the comics and ask which one is which.

or

then ask which one is Mary Jane and which one is Pepper Potts...

or

then throw this one in just to fuck with people.

 

[Jest Chillin]

Let's be honest here. She isn't famous for any of that, she is famous for saying "Scott" and for her weird psychic moaning. But mostly for her fucking awesome repeated and brutal shut downs of Wolverine every time he tried to get all creepy on her while she was clearly not interested in his short hairy ass. Shit was wonderful.

The only part I remembered before you mentioned this was Wolverine getting rejected.

Hey man, we will have to agree to disagree here. We can't really prove how many people know what and people probably remember all kinds of different things about that show.

Either way, I certainly don't think the idea that Jean Grey is well known or memorable is far fetched. She's obviously an important part of the X-Men and X-Men is a really popular universe. I just think that MJ edges her out.

Agreed to agree to disagree.

 

[Aaronology]

Wait, what games was she playable in?

I don't remember her in any that I played.

Of those I've played, Gamemaster's Legacy on the Gamegear, Next Dimension and both Legends games. She's also playable character in Mutant Academy, the Lego game, Marvel Heroes, Avengers Alliance...

Then there is of course:

I certainly don't remember whining for months that Mary Jane Watson needed a nerf, or anyone begging for her inclusion in Marvel games like Phoenix.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Of those I've played, Gamemaster's Legacy on the Gamegear, Next Dimension and both Legends games. She's also playable character in Mutant Academy, the Lego game, Marvel Heroes, Avengers Alliance...

Then there is of course:

I certainly don't remember whining for months that Mary Jane Watson needed a nerf, or anyone begging for her inclusion in Marvel games like Phoenix.

Oh, yeah, she has definitely been playable in games, but I thought you were saying she was playable in early 90's games. I never had a Gamegear so I missed that, but she definitely wasn't playable in anything I remember from back then.

edit:

The only part I remembered before you mentioned this was Wolverine getting rejected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8BobmZglOk

It didn't occur to me as a child, but they definitely did that shit a lot.

 

[Parallax]

Of those I've played, Gamemaster's Legacy on the Gamegear, Next Dimension and both Legends games. She's also playable character in Mutant Academy, the Lego game, Marvel Heroes, Avengers Alliance...

Then there is of course:

I certainly don't remember whining for months that Mary Jane Watson needed a nerf, or anyone begging for her inclusion in Marvel games like Phoenix.

ahh yes. the same game series with such popular characters as shuma gorath, marrow, silver samurai and spiral. and that despite him appearing in game, quite a few people didnt know that iron fist wasnt an asian character

 

[Squire]

I don't mind her not being white, but Mary Jane Watson is a ridiculously white name.

What's your idea of a black name? Most African-American people have last names of European descent for very obvious reasons.

 

[Aaronology]

Oh, yeah, she has definitely been playable in games, but I thought you were saying she was playable in early 90's games. I never had a Gamegear so I missed that, but she definitely wasn't playable in anything I remember from back then.

You missed a lot more. The Gamegear was way ahead of its time and an awesome handheld. Anyway, Phoenix was also playable in DOS games going back to the 90s.

X-Men II: The Fall of the Mutants:

DOS, fam.

she doesnt need to be in games to note her popularity. when spider man appears on a scene of any sort, mary jane is usually right beside him, even before aunt may at times.

But doesn't that highlight the problem with claiming she's more well known than Grey? MJ's popularity stems almost directly from her association with Spider-Man; not being a standalone character in her own right but from being, as you said, "right beside him". In a discussion about which of the two is more recognizable, how does Jane even approach a character like Grey if you remove Spider-Man from the picture? I imagine most people would be hard pressed to differentiate Barb Gordon in casual clothes from Watson.

Anyway, Grey wins the google fight so that's enough for me.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

You missed a lot more. The Gamegear was way ahead of its time and an awesome handheld. Anyway, Phoenix was also playable in DOS games going back to the 90s.

X-Men II: The Fall of the Mutants:

DOS, fam.


But doesn't that highlight the problem with claiming she's more well known than Grey? MJ's popularity stems almost directly from her association with Spider-Man; not being a standalone character in her own right but from being, as you said, "right beside him". In a discussion about which of the two is more recognizable, how does Jane even approach a character like Grey if you remove Spider-Man from the picture? I imagine most people would be hard pressed to differentiate Barb Gordon in casual clothes from Watson.

Anyway, Grey wins the google fight so that's enough for me.

That Phoenix is not who you think she is.

 

[Cake Boss]

Man, the day a white guy reprises a black comic character It will be amazing.

Can't wait for white Rhodey or Cyborg.

Hell, gimme a white Luke Cage.

You just forgot a couple of hashtags. Here let me help you out.

#whitepower

#alllivesmatter

#trump2016

 

[Parallax]

You missed a lot more. The Gamegear was way ahead of its time and an awesome handheld. Anyway, Phoenix was also playable in DOS games going back to the 90s.

X-Men II: The Fall of the Mutants:

DOS, fam.


But doesn't that highlight the problem with claiming she's more well known than Grey? MJ's popularity stems almost directly from her association with Spider-Man; not being a standalone character in her own right but from being, as you said, "right beside him". In a discussion about which of the two is more recognizable, how does Jane even approach a character like Grey if you remove Spider-Man from the picture? I imagine most people would be hard pressed to differentiate Barb Gordon in casual clothes from Watson.

Anyway, Grey wins the google fight so that's enough for me.

spider man is more popular than all of the xmen though, especially as a collective. so when spider man is front and center, the focus is usually on his love live. you can have anything named xmen, and its a dice roll on whether she even appears. especially considering that shes spent a good number of her years dead.

and that phoenix isnt jean, but rachel.

actually, where is omnigamer? jean has been said plenty of times

 

[Fencedude]

Just because you don't care doesn't mean other people don't. You don't have to be an ass about it it's poor form.

You guys are arguing over something literally unprovable and also completely meaningless.

 

[Aaronology]

ahh yes. the same game series with such popular characters as shuma gorath, marrow, silver samurai and spiral. and that despite him appearing in game, quite a few people didnt know that iron fist wasnt an asian character

Why you gotta diss the Lord of Chaos, Parallax?

Anyway, the point remains: Grey has seen exposure in video games specifically in a way that MJ hasn't and in media in general I think anyone would be hard pressed to show that Watson is a more recognizable character.

That Phoenix is not who you think she is.

Grey is still in the game, though, but as Marvel Girl. I was just too lazy to find an accurate screengrab.

 

[Parallax]

Why you gotta diss the Lord of Chaos, Parallax?

Anyway, the point remains: Grey has seen exposure in video games specifically in a way that MJ hasn't and in media in general I think anyone would be hard pressed to show that Watson is a more recognizable character.


Grey is still in the game, though, but as Marvel Girl. I was just too lazy to find an accurate screengrab.

because she doesnt have to appear in games. theyre nice touches but seeing has how so many literal bottom of the barrel characters are in the games you listed, it doesnt really speak of their popularity. if maggott were to appear in a marvel game, he wouldnt be popular because of it, or likely afterward

You guys are arguing over something literally unprovable and also completely meaningless.

the main argument was started in this thread over something completely meaningless. most arguments are over things completely meaningless. whats your point?

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Saying that Jean is a more popular character because she is playable in more video games is ridiculous. Of course Mary Jane isn't going to be playable in as many video games because she's not a super hero. That's like saying Havok is more popular than Aunt May or J Jonah Jameson because he's playable in a bunch of video games. Being in a video game does not increase your popularity by x%. Especially if it's X-Men: Gamemaster's Legacy for the Game Gear because like 10 people remember that game.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

You guys are arguing over something literally unprovable and also completely meaningless.

Like, 99% of the discussion on this site is meaningless. It's a video game forum.

Sometimes it's fun to discuss things, even if they're not provable.

 

[Aaronology]

because she doesnt have to appear in games. theyre nice touches but seeing has how so many literal bottom of the barrel characters are in the games you listed, it doesnt really speak of their popularity. if maggott were to appear in a marvel game, he wouldnt be popular because of it, or likely afterward

I wasn't claiming Grey was popular solely due to her appearance in video games, merely that her continued appearance in so many Marvel titles over the decades was an additional indicator of her status as a hallmark character. And even that was just in response to your criticizing her role in games, whereas Watson hasn't been prominent in any outside of her usual damsel in distress status.