Count Dookkake
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Atypical doesn't mean what you think it does.
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Zendaya's role in SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING has been revealed!
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Atypical doesn't mean what you think it does.
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
Not a pale redhead? Many mixed people are just that.
Count Dookkake
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Yeah, you meant "typical."
She's my age.
Same, feels good not needing to creep because damn she's fine!
And great choice to play MJ.
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
Count Dookkake
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You described her as being not atypical, which would mean that she is typical.
Instead you should have said that she is not typical, which would mean that she is atypical.
So yeah, you used that word incorrectly.
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I hope MCU MJ gets offered a model job but declines because she wants to be a journalist, and dyes her hair red but decided that the colour just isn't suitable for her and doesn't appear with red hair for the rest of the movies.
I just hope the female love interests don't get side lined or disappear like the rest of the MCU movies\.
This thread is incredible
Zendaya was so beautiful in Blackish, I too thought she was CGI
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/08/19/why-would-zendayas-spider-man-role-be-a-reveal
Devin Faraci weighs in on Zendaya/MJ:
This seems to corroborate with this report on Vulture.com that Zendaya's character's name is not Mary Jane, but is MJ.
Devin Faraci weighs in on Zendaya/MJ:
This seems to corroborate with this report on Vulture.com that Zendaya's character's name is not Mary Jane, but is MJ.
she's watching spidey swing away
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Chained Prometheus
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I'm not surprised, but I hope they change this detail and just make her straight-up Mary Jane Watson.
-ImaginaryInsider
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If they've gone to all this trouble to make her "MJ", just make her Mary Jane and be done with it. She's not any less of a redhead than Dunst, at least she looks like a model.
Green Mamba
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Changing her name just to make a twist work seems really unnecessary, hope she's just named Mary Jane Watson.
yeah I'm kind of indifferent to this twist idea
That would be incredibly nonsensical.
Yeah, that would be incredible silly. Hope they play it straight.
It's dumb to have Mary Jane Watson in the movie and not have her iconic red hair but it's also dumb to have an MJ standin that serves the same purpose but isn't technically MJ. Even without the red hair, they should call her Mary Jane Watson, cus otherwise that character no longer exists in the franchise.
The likely scenario I see is that she is called Michelle through the entire film, she and Peter have fun at the Homecoming. Then he takes her back to her parents, awkwardly meets her mom/dad and the parents call her MJ. Peter thinks it's a cute nickname and says bye to her, her final line is of course the well-known face it tiger phrase.
Rumblebones
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I would have preferred a more comic accurate MJ down the line somewhere but I ain't mad at this one bit. Long as she can act - and I haven't heard anything to the contrary - more power to her.
Though with movie Flash pairing up with black Iris as well, I suspect that at some point there will be a burgeoning trend of white superheroes with minority love interests that will likely incite outrage in some shape or form.
Granted, diversity doesn't just happen overnight, and yeah this is still progress (no matter how overdue), but I am hoping against cynicism here and hoping that instead of allowing this seeming coincidence of Flash and Spidey to form a trend that we see more minority leads.
For real, ain't no reason Strange couldn't have been Asian or Latino. Hell ain't no reason Asians or Latinos can't get more representation in general. Or why Black Panther is only just the first black non-sidekick lead coming up from Marvel.
And don't even get me started on DC. I love their casting choice of Momoa as Aquaman - makes me wish the character was always Polynesian looking to begin with - but there ain't no excuse for that sausage party in this day and age. I know DC got more females going for it that just Diana.
But I digress.
tl;dr this ain't my ideal situation but it's progress and I want more of that.
Though with movie Flash pairing up with black Iris as well, I suspect that at some point there will be a burgeoning trend of white superheroes with minority love interests that will likely incite outrage in some shape or form.
Granted, diversity doesn't just happen overnight, and yeah this is still progress (no matter how overdue), but I am hoping against cynicism here and hoping that instead of allowing this seeming coincidence of Flash and Spidey to form a trend that we see more minority leads.
For real, ain't no reason Strange couldn't have been Asian or Latino. Hell ain't no reason Asians or Latinos can't get more representation in general. Or why Black Panther is only just the first black non-sidekick lead coming up from Marvel.
And don't even get me started on DC. I love their casting choice of Momoa as Aquaman - makes me wish the character was always Polynesian looking to begin with - but there ain't no excuse for that sausage party in this day and age. I know DC got more females going for it that just Diana.
But I digress.
tl;dr this ain't my ideal situation but it's progress and I want more of that.
Ninja Scooter
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Why in the world is that at all likely? Why would they keep Mary Jane's identity secret?
To have a small twist while pretending to not repeat themself
echoshifting
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Hmmmm I dunno. This assumes that negatives always cancel each other out, which isn't necessarily the case and clearly isn't the intention here. In Fish's sentence, the word "not" applies to the whole object (atypical redhead), not strictly to atypical, and is therefore correct.
Consider the sentences -
Hollywood would normally cast an atypical redhead in this role.
Hollywood did not cast an atypical redhead in this role.
Wording could have been clearer but I'm gonna say that's an acceptable usage of atypical. The fact that the redhead in question is atypical is important to the statement he is making.
Dongs Macabre
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Nah, they're all going to go to a party where they smoke weed and then Peter is like "Michelle? More like Mary Jane, am I right?"
Rumblebones
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Fuck what I said earlier about comic accurate MJ. If it's half as good as this in the movie, it'll do.
I really wish people would stop giving Zendaya shit for how she looks. First it was people saying she wasn't black enough to play Aaliyah (still sad about her death), now it's she's not white enough to play Mary Jane. This outrage culture about stupid shit really needs to end. I guess you could argue people got pissy about the Aaliyah situation cause she's not a fictional character, but it's still ridiculous and demonstrates hypocrisy. Leave Zendaya alone, leave her aloooooone.
MHWilliams
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So she's not Mary Jane Watson per se. Guess this makes the red hair not an issue?
Alpha Centauri
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Damnit. How can I get my daily salt from comic book 'purists' now?
Of course people will complain
Clinton514
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Weak choice. Honestly.
HP_Wuvcraft
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You misunderstand comic hardcores if you think they won't bitch just because a black girl is the love interest of a white superhero, no matter who she plays.
Exploratory
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I'd rather have an MJ without red hair then what's being described. It comes off really really poorly. You reveal at the end she's Mary Jane Watson? What does that accomplish? What did that accomplish with Money Penny? And if her middle name has a J and her name is Michelle...just comes off bleh. Every decent Spidey fan will know.
But I'm just talking about how it's described because it's possible in the film Marvel pulls it off. They have the clout not to doubt them when it comes to the story.
This would be dumb, and kind of offensive.
How is that offensive?
It just comes off to me as a way of appeasing the shitbags who would have a problem with a palette swap of the character.
"Hey, it's alright whining internet racists and man children, this isn't actually Mary Jane from the comics, it's a different character."
It would be a cop out.
I am pretty sure that they didnt had idiots in the internet in mind when they came up with this.
bishopcruz
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There's been a fairly long history of interracial dating happening in comics without much of a fuss.
Sure they did. They're a corporation. Idiots have money. Do the math.
Everything is going to be evaluated by how much they can afford to piss off idiots and still make the money they want, at one level or another. Don't be naive, this is Hollywood; racists are placated every week.
CassidyIzABeast
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No half measures Marvel
illmatic22
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Whether her name's Michelle or Mary the point is she's this universe's MJ.
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