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Zoe Quinn #meToo / Alec Holowka suicide -- Update: Article questions ZQ's account of events (link in OP)

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Acidizer

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Getting all clinical after the fact is frowned upon. Spreading unsubstantiated claims and fuelling hate when someone's life is in the balance is where it is at. WTF GAF.
 
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lifa-cobex

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Oh man, I have to go to bed.

David, pace yourself. Don’t finish the bottle.

I want something to wake up to.

Agreed.
Do it quick before people suspect your covering up for something in your past.
Patterns generally seem to form around ppl who tweet in this manner.
 

GhostOfTsu

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Why is Jaffe, of all people, defending Quinn? Is he his next target? SJWs hate him anyway.

She's allowed to air everything publicly but then we are not allowed to discuss or question the facts surrounding this case? Makes no sense, only her side can talk but we just have to #believewomen? lol

I can't wait until the cops get involved in this mess. What's taking so long?
 

Enjay

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Why is Jaffe, of all people, defending Quinn? Is he his next target? SJWs hate him anyway.

She's allowed to air everything publicly but then we are not allowed to discuss or question the facts surrounding this case? Makes no sense, only her side can talk but we just have to #believewomen? lol

I can't wait until the cops get involved in this mess. What's taking so long?
I assume he's trying to sleep with her.
 
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FMXVII

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Apparently the row of Magic Mikes in the back are dominating the female customers with their androgens, forcing them to rip their suits off.
 
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Northeastmonk

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The whole thing unfolded on a platform designed for onlookers. No one gets upset at the amount of talk over Casey Anthony or various cop shootings over the years. Empathy for the deceased, anger at the party involved, all are emotions which come from being human. Most court cases spawn from a person against something/someone else. A guy had to die after someone grabbed our attention with their claims. Some of us can't unsee that. Justice is indeed blind.
 

Fuz

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Dave Jaffe lost my respect when he posted this:


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RavageX

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What happened to Jaffe? I would almost swear that someone snatched him and replaced him....I don't remember him being like this.

Why would someone not want the truth to be shown if the whole issue was thrown to the public originally, caused loss of a career AND a life, and appears to have been manipulated lies?

Would you not want this to be looked into? Investigated? Talked about??
 
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Enjay

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What happened to Jaffe? I would almost swear that someone snatched him and replaced him....I don't remember him being like this.

Why would someone not want the truth to be shown if the whole issue was thrown to the public originally, caused loss of a career AND a life, and appears to have been manipulated lies?

Would you not want this to be looked into? Investigated? Talked about??
He's probably trying to bang Zoe Quinn
 

FMXVII

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I can see where he comes from and I can respect his opinion to a point, but I am disappointed in Jaffe as a whole. He has an account here, last I remember, so I would love for him to actually come here and debate/discuss in person instead of through a limited form like twitter.

It is their platform.

That is why he is using it.

Never mistake carefully crafted cowardice as a sincere desire for debate, much less discourse.

He is the final words priest standing on the gallows above the swaying body of an executed man, decrying the rotten vegetables being tossed at him, as being the stuff of wrongthink.
 
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ThatGamingDude

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The amount of mental gymnastics in all those tweets from Jaffe is quite...I don't know. Sad and pathetic. He couldn't really reply in any real way. Because unlike his tweets, your tweet is based in reality and the truth.
Honestly, what really will stop a lot of these online "Don't talk about other people's lives!" is reminding them where the source of information came from, and where it was placed
Zoe Quinn posted this on the internet; a soap box with the entire world as the audience, yelling for all to hear what was going on in her life.

She was the one who brought it into public
If you bring something into public, you HAVE to be prepared for it to be scrutinized by the public.

If you don't want your business discussed by people you don't know, don't fucking tell people you don't know
Or, if you don't want your business discussed at all, don't fuckin' tell people

I REALLY do not understand how my generation can't really comprehend not posting their shit on the interwebs /s
 

DryPancakes

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Yes Jaffe, good thing Alec had the benefit of cops and a court of law and only had to deal with non-embarrasing, very responsible accusations from cancel culture mobs... oh wait, now he's dead.

This is the arena she and the mob decided to play in, it seems only fair Jr detectives do some digging because we all know the game bloggers you call journalists are not going to do a damn thing about it.
 
Honestly, what really will stop a lot of these online "Don't talk about other people's lives!" is reminding them where the source of information came from, and where it was placed
Zoe Quinn posted this on the internet; a soap box with the entire world as the audience, yelling for all to hear what was going on in her life.

She was the one who brought it into public
If you bring something into public, you HAVE to be prepared for it to be scrutinized by the public.

If you don't want your business discussed by people you don't know, don't fucking tell people you don't know
Or, if you don't want your business discussed at all, don't fuckin' tell people

I REALLY do not understand how my generation can't really comprehend not posting their shit on the interwebs /s
Yeah but don't @ me when I air my dirty laundry ight?
 
ExpandKong ExpandKong deserves a tag for this mention I'd say. Also, good of Jaffe to not take things too seriously and being able to take a joke. Still would be better if he'd just post here if he had any issues, but I get that the game industry is a cutthroat business and he'd be harassed by gaming media and a place like Resetera if he did. Still don't know why he mentioned us at all, as I imagine that wouldn't please them either.

My problem is how internally inconsistent his argument is. Is he against ZQ bringing this in public? Or is he just against scrutiny of ZQ in the public after she took it public?
More so I don't get Jaffe's criticism of NeoGAF, as we've had many differing opinions here, with the general consensus that they probably had a toxic relationship. That's not really taking a hard side. Coupled with added evidence that makes her claims suspicious, it's enough to cast doubt on her claims and her behavior. It's not like we are starting a mob and going after her, contacting Patreon, going to all kinds of companies, etc. So his mob criticism doesn't make much sense either and seems like a terrible "you too!" argument.
 

CrustyBritches

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Oh shit, David Jaffe is sperging out over that table TraceTheTong TraceTheTong made. Hahahaha.

This motherfucker is raging so hard that he publicly virtue signals on Twitter about a situation that began with accusations publicly made on Twitter, and says it's private and the police should handle the matter. How dumb can you be?

There's plenty of dumb shit in that Tweet that could be picked apart, but I want to focus on this scummy self-contradictory dig on Alec, you little rat:
Regardless, this should be a private, serious matter. Especially when the man who tragically killed himself's sister even said that he had caused harm in previous relationships
 

Naru

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A: "This should be a private matter!"
B: "But she made it public..."
A: "She can do what she wants!"
B: "Then we do the same and point out the irregularities"
A: "No you can't just do what you want! Also this is a private matter!"
B: "o_O"

Oookay... why the hell did he even feel the need to get involved?!
 

Thabass

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Hey Jaffe maybe you should turn your twitter account over to Cory Barlog so he can make that better too

FUCK LOL!

I'm sorry, but gathering evidence is what SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE TO BEGIN WITH! It's unbelievable that people do not want due process. It's disgusting that we should just believe someone on the internet without any evidence on both sides. The internet is starting to make me sick.
 
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JSoup

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You know a good way to get people to not talk about whatever you don't want them to talk about?
Pull them into an argument tangentially related and turn the discussion into a discussion about that argument.
This can be repeated endlessly until the original topic is 'history' and anyone who still wants to talk about it is 'stuck on past events'.
It's an ascended form of moving the goal post.

Don't let Jaffe distract you from the actual discussion at hand.
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
The line for me is simple, if people aren't getting hacked and doxxed directly, then discussion seems fair since allegations were laid out in the public space.

Especially when the mainstream media aren't going to touch this for political and historical reasons.
 

Hudo

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Come on now, people. The first GoW was a very good game (I would even argue that it was the best and certainly better than whatever the hell the newest game wants to be, but that's a personal opinion). I don't agree with Jaffe on what he's saying either but that doesn't mean that every game he worked on is now shit.
 

Herr Edgy

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Isn't investigating her and calling out what we see as her lies our right too?

Or are rights only for "victims"?

The weird part is that he implicitly calls forming opinions based on facts gross, and forming opinions based on gut feelings and statements okay.

I mean - would he literally think it's better if we didn't account for what ZQ has done or said before forming opinions on her? Would it be better to think that she is misrepresenting at best without any kind of evidence?
Truly baffling.
 

llien

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Isn't the first fucking thing you do in GOW1 is fuck multiple women?
What is the problem with that?

I love how people think that if we pretend things are not the way they are, they somehow miraculously will become different.

Do you know that Viagra has the same effect on both men or women? (blood flow to genitalia) It's just used exclusively by men, because they desire sex so much, that even when the feeling gets weaker, it's still hell of a strong.

Now, what is wrong with wanting sex with adult people again? Isn't promiscuity good and progressive?
 
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Come on now, people. The first GoW was a very good game (I would even argue that it was the best and certainly better than whatever the hell the newest game wants to be, but that's a personal opinion). I don't agree with Jaffe on what he's saying either but that doesn't mean that every game he worked on is now shit.

I don't think anyone's shitting on GoW1. It's just a great joke and also because a lot of people also thought GoW2 was an improvement. I think you're taking the joke a bit too seriously.
Sex scenes in GoW were hilarious and was a nice addition. Not sexist at all, you could have the same with a female main character and it'd be just as good.
 
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