Twitch Plays Pokemon Thread 2 - Don't Forget: You're here forever

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Is it bad that I feel kinda sad we left the Pokemon Tower?

I was having fun, despite all the failures, digratting, the episode with the keeper, etc.

In any case it was a glorious moment in our journey and shall never be forgotten! Not that you could get that music out of your head anyway.

Can anyone get me up to speed with what we're doing now? Grinding for the gym?
 
kubus said:
Is it bad that I feel kinda sad we left the Pokemon Tower?

I was having fun, despite all the failures, digratting, the episode with the keeper, etc.

In any case it was a glorious moment in our journey and shall never be forgotten! Not that you could get that music out of your head anyway.

Can anyone get me up to speed with what we're doing now? Grinding for the gym?
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The gym we can beat easy-peasy, we're just grinding for all the shit coming later.
 
Jak140 said:
Anarchy is the way the stream has been since the beginning. Democracy was added in later and has been used, so don't pretend that it hasn't been given a chance. It was used to get through the Team Rocket maze and to retrieve the Sliph Scope, and in both cases it robbed reaching both goals of any sense of accomplishment. Democracy mode is like watching an idiot doing a let's play Pokemon Red on horse tranquilizers. If that is fun for you, whip out your copy of Pokemon Red and take some ketamine.
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i don't think it's so bad. then again, i'm not actually playing. i'm just watching other people play. catching people in the middle of a power struggle is pretty funny. it's really just not very funny when i start watching it to see what people manage to band together to accomplish in democracy mode before the anarchists take over and... nothing. start spam because people are obsessed with maintaining the streams purity or whatever
 
kubus said:
Is it bad that I feel kinda sad we left the Pokemon Tower?

I was having fun, despite all the failures, digratting, the episode with the keeper, etc.

In any case it was a glorious moment in our journey and shall never be forgotten! Not that you could get that music out of your head anyway.

Can anyone get me up to speed with what we're doing now? Grinding for the gym?
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The Tower was the best. Something relative simple took days to accomplish and we didn't taint it with democracy like in the rocket hideout. Pure attrition got us through.
 
ChrisW said:
Update since we were stuck in the tower, digging out?
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We reached the top of the tower using bigrat's dig (super effective!) against the ghosts. Pidgegod got us through the three Rockets to the old man who teleported us to his house and gave us a pokeflute. We battled our way south. xCabbage ascended to a level beyond that of an Oddish. We met Snorlax and astounded ourselves by missing the target with our greatball. Gastly tapped in with his immunity to normal attacks, but it was no use; we ran from the battle w/o catching or defeating Snorlax. We continued to the Fuchsia City where the democrats grew restless. They saw a ledge to jump and they jumped it. And they jumped it again. It appeared anarchy was failing Red as we ended up all the way at the Safari zone. The ruling ideology shifted and we took about 6 steps before switching back and heading to the gym where our true destiny lies!
 
backlot said:
So what's start9?
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a waste of time. Democracy is so slow and shitty that it's faster to just vote it back out. start9 only got used 3 or so times the last time democracy was instituted. The democrats spent most of it running into walls and reading the same sign over and over.
 
Dion Blaster said:
He means it doesn't get a chance now because of Start9. And again you're assuming that it robs everyone of achievement or accomplishment.
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I would assume that it did for a majority considering that Democracy mode hasn't been activated once since then until now, even when people were struggling through the Pokemon tower after being dug out and stalled multiple times after it was used for the anticlimactic retreival of the Sliph Scope and also because no memes have resulted from the actual use of Democracy. Take for example the ledge that took over half a day to pass. Do you think all the memes that resulted from it would have happened if Democracy mode were around? In the end what is more entertaining, attempting to pass something as a simple ledge and the thrill of success after so many failures or if they had simply entered the command right12 up3 and passed it?
 
Jak140 said:
Anarchy is the way the stream has been since the beginning. Democracy was added in later and has been used, so don't pretend that it hasn't been given a chance. It was used to get through the Team Rocket maze and to retrieve the Sliph Scope, and in both cases it robbed reaching both goals of any sense of accomplishment. Democracy mode is like watching an idiot doing a let's play Pokemon Red on horse tranquilizers. If that is fun for you, whip out your copy of Pokemon Red and take some ketamine.
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This kind of hostility towards anybody who thinks democracy mode might be useful every now and then is kind of bizarre.

If we want to use the "the way the stream was in the beginning" as a gold standard, then you're going to find a lot to fault with, even without the democracy/anarchy debate. Like... I dunno, the fact that we have exponentially more streamers inputting commands than ever intended and meta strategies that differ from one day to the next.

This stream - like Pokemon itself - evolves. And it's still been fun in spite of it.

Calm down.
 
Hyperactivity said:
I like XD's theme better, but Colosseum's Mirror B's just fit more, And its so....

I'll just let you listen

Sounds like hes saying Pasta and Abu Dahbi
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RICO!

RRRRRRR...!

SALSA!

A GOZAR!

LLUVIA!

CANTA!

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Azuran said:
The Tower was the best. Something relative simple took days to accomplish and we didn't taint it with democracy like in the rocket hideout. Pure attrition got us through.
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Yeah, it's amazing how we got through that hell with the worst team ever and pure anarchy.

The Tower showed that democracy isn't needed, when the stream truly wants to get something done, they will get it done. Even with 20 second delayed inputs and trolls.

I want to do Safari Zone in anarchy mode, even if it takes 5 days. Otherwise this "social experiment" proves nothing!
 
Tookay said:
This kind of hostility towards anybody who thinks democracy mode might be useful every now and then is kind of bizarre.

If we want to use the "the way the stream was in the beginning" as a gold standard, then you're going to find a lot to fault with, even without the democracy/anarchy debate. Like... I dunno, the fact that we have exponentially more streamers inputting commands than ever intended and meta strategies that differ from one day to the next.

This stream - like Pokemon itself - evolves. And it's still been fun in spite of it.

Calm down.
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I know it will probably eventually be needed to pass the Safari Zone since the step limit hasn't been removed, my point is that using it when it isn't absolutely needed destroys a lot of what made the game so entertaining in the first place.
 
Brashnir said:
Not even sure what you're trying to say here.
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I think what he's saying is, how can it be "spam" when it's actually been the majority of votes the entire time.

(Don't bring spam bots into this, like there aren't any anarchy ones to cancel out the democracy ones.)
 
kubus said:
Yeah, it's amazing how we got through that hell with the worst team ever and pure anarchy.

The Tower showed that democracy isn't needed, when the stream truly wants to get something done, they will get it done. Even with 20 second delayed inputs and trolls.

I want to do Safari Zone in anarchy mode, even if it takes 5 days. Otherwise this "social experiment" proves nothing!
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hell, simply trying to navigate these ledges to get to the poke center is glorious.

Tookay said:
I think what he's saying is, how can it be "spam" when it's actually been the majority of votes the entire time.

(Don't bring spam bots into this, like there aren't any anarchy ones to cancel out the democracy ones.)
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That really has nothing to do with my point. Every time things start to look bad, the democracy meter creeps right.

Some people just can't handle any kind of setbacks.

The failures are the best part of this stream.
 
Jak140 said:
Anarchy is the way the stream has been since the beginning. Democracy was added in later and has been used, so don't pretend that it hasn't been given a chance. It was used to get through the Team Rocket maze and to retrieve the Sliph Scope, and in both cases it robbed reaching both goals of any sense of accomplishment. Democracy mode is like watching an idiot doing a let's play Pokemon Red on horse tranquilizers. If that is fun for you, whip out your copy of Pokemon Red and take some ketamine.
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I think Democracy mode is a fine balance. That "the ledge: 2" image that was posted a while back basically necessitates it (down the road, at least) in my mind. A longer, more difficult to approach ledge. A Rock pushing puzzle requiring multiple specific uses of Strength with one mistake ruining the puzzle. Nary a Pokemon Center in sight. There's no way they're going to get past something like that without a steady hand, not matter how many typewriters or monkeys are on deck.

That's not to say that a majority of our time can't be spent in crazy mode, however.
 
I'm not sure if it's impressive or sad that I already almost caught up to the stream in my playthrough of firered that I started this afternoon
 
kubus said:
Yeah, it's amazing how we got through that hell with the worst team ever and pure anarchy.

The Tower showed that democracy isn't needed, when the stream truly wants to get something done, they will get it done. Even with 20 second delayed inputs and trolls.

I want to do Safari Zone in anarchy mode, even if it takes 5 days. Otherwise this "social experiment" proves nothing!
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The issue is if we run out of money from failed Safari Zone attempts then the game will be unbeatable. Also what does the social experiment prove if we beat it in anarchy mode?
 
Brashnir said:
That really has nothing to do with my point. Every time things start to look bad, the democracy meter creeps right.

Some people just can't handle any kind of setbacks.

The failures are the best part of this stream.
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Some people can handle setbacks, but they want to see progress after a certain point.

I'm not sure what's with the near-militancy when it comes to anarchy traditionalists here. It shows a certain lack of empathy for how other people may be enjoying this stream.

There isn't just "one way." Nobody's trying to shit on your fun or take it away.
 
I don't see how Democracy would have helped in the tower, and neither did the majority. But the Safari Zone is another issue entirely. I'm all for people trying anarchy first, I'm just worried that we will take way too long to accept democracy for this situation thanks to start9.
 
backlot said:
The issue is if we run out of money from failed Safari Zone attempts then the game will be unbeatable.
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yes, that's a legitimate concern, and why I don't have a problem with using democracy once we get to the point where we're almost out of money.

I do, however, have a big problem with trying to use it before we even made an attempt.
 
Dreavus said:
I think Democracy mode is a fine balance. That "the ledge: 2" image that was posted a while back basically necessitates it (down the road, at least) in my mind. A longer, more difficult to approach ledge. A Rock pushing puzzle requiring multiple specific uses of Strength with one mistake ruining the puzzle. Nary a Pokemon Center in sight. There's no way they're going to get past something like that without a steady hand, not matter how many typewriters or monkeys are on deck.

That's not to say that a majority of our time can't be spent in crazy mode, however.
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If you consider the point to win instead of the journey itself, then yes it probably will be. But activating it for things that we could easily achieve without it robs the game of the chaotic nature that spawned all the memes that attracted so many to it in the first place. Start9 is a counterbalance to the people with no patience who would use it for things that could easily be done with anarchy given enough time. If people fail the Safari Zone enough times with anarchy I'm sure democracy will eventually take over, but please let them catch 100 Tauroses with anarchy first.
 
Jak140 said:
If you consider the point to win instead of the journey itself, then yes it probably will be. But activating it for things that we could easily achieve without it robs the game of the chaotic nature that spawned all the memes that attracted so many to it in the first place. Start9 is a counterbalance to the people with no patience who would use it for things that could easily be done with anarchy given enough time.
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What have we activated it for that was easily achievable otherwise? It's a great system that balances itself out naturally without start9 interference.
 
backlot said:
The issue is if we run out of money from failed Safari Zone attempts then the game will be unbeatable. Also what does the social experiment prove if we beat it in anarchy mode?
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I believe you can go in the safari zone even if you have no money. But I agree its silly that people are so against democracy. And using the "social experiment" purity excuse is even silly. As if its their experiment and their stream. it was the streamers idea let him do what he wants with it.
 
You have to concede that democracy has paved way for everything that's already happened since then. Without it, we might still be spinning in Team Rocket's maze of purgatory.
 
Dion Blaster said:
What have we activated it for that was easily achievable otherwise? It's a great system that balances itself out naturally without start9 interference.
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The Sliph Scope retreival for one, considering that it we made it to Giovanni's office with anarchy multiple times before and I'd argue that even the team rocket maze could have been done given more time. Also, democracy mode was dangerously close to being activated in the Pokemon Tower several times.
 
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