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[Lunnarre]

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

I sometimes forget that some people really care about all this exclusive game shit.

this is how Nintendo sold a billion Switch 1 systems despite the hardware being a potato

 

[ProtoByte]

What value? It still plays 3rd party AAA games. Indie, etc You just can't hold "i have a game you dont" over others heads anymore. So your precieved value is gone I guess....

This is such a profoundly stupid argument. It's not "perceived value". It's a tangible, real world distinction between products. Product A can do X, product B cannot. These are distinct and competing game platforms. Hence, the primary factor that separates them is the games they can or cannot play. If they never had value, why has this been the prime distinction between games consoles from the very birth of the medium? Why have millions of consumers made decisions about which platforms to buy because of it?

I also notice that you fail to address the second half of my post, because there's really nothing you can say to even begin to argue against it. Even going by your erroneous framing, in the long run this means lower quality games and fewer of them (of significance at least) at that, and for ZERO benefit to anyone. Game sales will actually decrease over the long haul because of this.

 

[IDKFA]

"Sony this sony that" worried about their bottom line and how they will be around a long time, but what about the console fan/user and how these moves affects them? But your point taken and noted, corpo stan

Now I know you're shit posting. You almost had me, but you just went slightly too far to give the game away.

Nice effort

 

[Ebrietas]

Sony's first party was quite small during the PS1/PS2 days

It was the success of the 360 that caused them to seriously invest in 3rd party

Now that Xbox is finished in the console race they're not as worried anymore.

So then what is the reason to buy PS consoles going forward? It isn't power, that belongs to PC. It isn't exclusive software, that belongs to Nintendo (and even PC). It isn't price, since, again, they are beaten there by Nintendo.

You bring up the ps1/ps2 days, and you are correct that their first party operation was quite limited then. But you ignore the fact that Sony had a massive HARDWARE advantage over the competition then. They offered games on CD while Nintendo was still messing around with cartridges. This allowed an explosion of third party software on their platform that was not only cheaper than cartridge games, but also ended up being straight up exclusive to their console. And PC actually was a separate market back then, with PC specific games. And the mobile market didn't exist yet.

So it's not that exclusives weren't important back then. They were just as important. The difference was that third parties essentially functioned as Sony's first party back then (think FF, KH, MGS, just to name a few). That basically ended in the ps360 generation, which was what made them build up their own first party. That's the main reason ps3 ended up selling so much after its disastous start, and why the ps4 was so dominant, and why the ps5 has sold so well off of that momentum.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

This is such a profoundly stupid argument. It's not "perceived value". It's a tangible, real world distinction between products. Product A can do X, product B cannot. These are distinct and competing game platforms. Hence, the primary factor that separates them is the games they can or cannot play. If they never had value, why has this been the prime distinction between games consoles from the very birth of the medium? Why have millions of consumers made decisions about which platforms to buy because of it?

I also notice that you fail to address the second half of my post, because there's really nothing you can say to even begin to argue against it. Even going by your erroneous framing, in the long run this means lower quality games and fewer of them at that, and for ZERO benefit to anyone. Game sales will actually decrease over the long haul because of this.

Fanboy fan fiction. This isn't 2002 anymore. That "value" is retarded and always has been. Why should I have to buy an Xbox to play halo or a PS for GOW? What if I want to play GOW on my Xbox. Or halo on my PS? How does this mean lower quality games? Did Sega's games drop off after they exited the console market? Lol, what a geek.

 

[realcool]

those of you wanting japanese head

 

[nial]

That's the main reason ps3 ended up selling so much after its disastous start

You mean, like, outselling the Xbox 360 in 2007?

 

[Dalbajobas]

NOW IT IS TIME TO ACT !!! DO NOT LET SONY TURN INTO MICROSOFT !

 

[RetroGamingUK]

So then what is the reason to buy PS consoles going forward? It isn't power, that belongs to PC. It isn't exclusive software, that belongs to Nintendo (and even PC). It isn't price, since, again, they are beaten there by Nintendo.

You bring up the ps1/ps2 days, and you are correct that their first party operation was quite limited then. But you ignore the fact that Sony had a massive HARDWARE advantage over the competition then. They offered games on CD while Nintendo was still messing around with cartridges. This allowed an explosion of third party software on their platform that was not only cheaper than cartridge games, but also ended up being straight up exclusive to their console. And PC actually was a separate market back then, with PC specific games. And the mobile market didn't exist yet.

So it's not that exclusives weren't important back then. They were just as important. The difference was that third parties essentially functioned as Sony's first party back then (think FF, KH, MGS, just to name a few). That basically ended in the ps360 generation, which was what made them build up their own first party. That's the main reason ps3 ended up selling so much after its disastous start, and why the ps4 was so dominant, and why the ps5 has sold so well off of that momentum.

Nintendo is still messing about with cartridges. Quite expensive ones too I may add

As for PC, yeah, where did all the PC specific games go?

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Op needs to get laid... quick!!

Anyone got a sister they can loan out?

 

[ProtoByte]

Fanboy fan fiction. This isn't 2002 anymore. How does this mean lower quality games? Did Sega's game drop off after they exited the console market? Lol, what a geek.

YES. Profoundly. It's not even an argument. Do you realize the sheer number of IP that has been diminished or gone for years or forever from the moment Sega went third party? Going from first party to third is a demotion. Less revenue, less control, less prestige.

And for fanboy fiction in 2002, it is pretty strange that it's been playing out in slow motion on Xbox for the past decade. It's 2025, take off the kumbaya goggles.

 

[Celine]

Why the commotion?
Some time ago Sony management literally spelt that PlayStation was planning to go multi-platform, we had already example of PlayStation publishing on Nintendo Switch and, of course, PC already got plenty of PlayStation first-party releases.

"In the past, we wanted to popularize console and the 1st party titles' main purpose was to make the console popular. It is true, but there is a synergy to it. So if you have strong first party content, not only with our console but also other platforms like computers, 1st party can be grown with multiplatform and that can help operating profit to improve. So that is another one we want to proactively work on.I personally think there are opportunities out there for improvement of margins, so I would like to go aggressive in improving our margin performance." - Hiroki Totoki

In the near future every game will be available on every meaningful platform, the only exception to the rule will remain Nintendo.
With the exception of Nintendo, true exclusive is a dying breed.

The concept of exclusive software is so important to you? Then buy Nintendo.

 

[UltimaKilo]

Please give us the ability to vote to temp ban OPs based on these shit threads.

 

[j0hnnix]

me speaking up..

 

[mayham2199]

So then what is the reason to buy PS consoles going forward? It isn't power, that belongs to PC. It isn't exclusive software, that belongs to Nintendo (and even PC). It isn't price, since, again, they are beaten there by Nintendo.

You bring up the ps1/ps2 days, and you are correct that their first party operation was quite limited then. But you ignore the fact that Sony had a massive HARDWARE advantage over the competition then. They offered games on CD while Nintendo was still messing around with cartridges. This allowed an explosion of third party software on their platform that was not only cheaper than cartridge games, but also ended up being straight up exclusive to their console. And PC actually was a separate market back then, with PC specific games. And the mobile market didn't exist yet.

So it's not that exclusives weren't important back then. They were just as important. The difference was that third parties essentially functioned as Sony's first party back then (think FF, KH, MGS, just to name a few). That basically ended in the ps360 generation, which was what made them build up their own first party. That's the main reason ps3 ended up selling so much after its disastous start, and why the ps4 was so dominant, and why the ps5 has sold so well off of that momentum.

Can only give you my reasoning. I hate Nintendo's games so their exclusives mean nothing to me. I'm not a child anymore and that's what those games feel like. Xenoblade chronicles 2 was great though I'll admit.

I don't like PC gaming. I tried it and I had to many issues. There were random and they didn't take long to fix but I don't have 10 mins to fix shit. On top of that my son uses my PS5 to play games now I have to fix shit when he's playing? No thanks.

I just want a simple plug and play console and Xbox and PS are the only ones doing it.

 

[L*][*N*K]

Wait I am confused, OP thinks that Sony is a democracy?

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

YES. Profoundly. It's not even an argument. Do you realize the sheer number of IP that has been diminished or gone for years or forever from the moment Sega went third party? Going from first party to third is a demotion. Less revenue, less control, less prestige.

And for fanboy fiction in 2002, it is pretty strange that it's been playing out in slow motion on Xbox for the past decade. It's 2025, take off the kumbaya goggles.

Sony just ported Helldivers to Xbox. God of war can be played natively on PC. Capcom now makes 1/3 of their revenue from steam. Wake up.

 

[Ebrietas]

Nintendo is still messing about with cartridges. Quite expensive ones too I may add

As for PC, yeah, where did all the PC specific games go?

PC still has exclusives. Some of the most played games worldwide actually.

And Nintendo is getting a greater and greater share of third party software now. Carts are not a limiting factor, devs can release only digitally if they want (which is likely where things are heading anyway).

 

[onQ123]

 

[Thebonehead]

Op needs to get laid... quick!!

Anyone got a sister they can loan out?

He can use his own sister, who is also his mother

 

[Lionel Richie]

Can only give you my reasoning. I hate Nintendo's games so their exclusives mean nothing to me. I'm not a child anymore and that's what those games feel like.

Imagine living in 2025 and still parroting this shit.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Nintendo is still messing about with cartridges. Quite expensive ones too I may add

As for PC, yeah, where did all the PC specific games go?

Nintendo is the only one who cares about exclusives

also don't exclusives financially make more sense in a closed eco system? who wins from PC exclusives when they are available on Steam, GOG, etc.?

on console, its a reason to sell consoles. see Nintendo for example. where is the incentive on the PC side? maybe with MS so more people are buying Windows computers?

on consoles at least you can control where the exclusives are being sold and get revenue through that. I don't think the model is the same on PC. it isn't like MS gets paid if I were to buy an exclusive on GOG

 

[poppabk]

this is how Nintendo sold a billion Switch 1 systems despite the hardware being a potato

Except most of the big exclusives were ports from WiiU which sold like 10 systems.

 

[Ebrietas]

Can only give you my reasoning. I hate Nintendo's games so their exclusives mean nothing to me. I'm not a child anymore and that's what those games feel like. Xenoblade chronicles 2 was great though I'll admit.

I don't like PC gaming. I tried it and I had to many issues. There were random and they didn't take long to fix but I don't have 10 mins to fix shit. On top of that my son uses my PS5 to play games now I have to fix shit when he's playing? No thanks.

I just want a simple plug and play console and Xbox and PS are the only ones doing it.

Even the plug and play experience will not be exclusive to PS going forward. There will be many more PC or Steam devices coming out that will functionally act like consoles.

Not to mention Switch is already a plug and play console that will have almost every game available on it, including from Sony unless they change course.

 

[Deerock71]

I want Japanese head. Stopped reading after that.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

edit: replied to wrong person

 

[Roman Empire]

He can use his own sister, who is also his mother

OP right now:

 

[Thebonehead]

Outside of guys like @Sweet Tooth, I'd say some of those bans were more about people being dicks to other people. If I had the power to unban any of them, I'd unban a fanboy before I unban an asshole

 

[IDKFA]

Even the plug and play experience will not be exclusive to PS going forward. There will be many more PC or Steam devices coming out that will functionally act like consoles.

If it's plug and play then it is a console? A plug and play PC doesn't make sense.

Not to mention Switch is already a plug and play console that will have almost every game available on it,

Do you mean the Switch 2?

Doubtful. There were many games that didn't make the cut on the Switch. Same thing will happen with Switch 2. It will have a load of 3rd party titles, but saying it will have "almost every game" is wishful thinking.

including from Sony unless they change course.

No danger of that happening.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Except most of the big exclusives were ports from WiiU which sold like 10 systems.

which makes it even crazier. people love the exclusives that much. slow hardware and re-released Nintendo games, and it still sells like crazy

people love exclusives

 

[Chuck Berry]

 

[mayham2199]

Even the plug and play experience will not be exclusive to PS going forward. There will be many more PC or Steam devices coming out that will functionally act like consoles.

Not to mention Switch is already a plug and play console that will have almost every game available on it, including from Sony unless they change course.

Great when that happens maybe I move to PC. Until then I'm good on PS.

Like I said I don't like anything on the switch so I see no reason to get one. The performance also isn't nearly as good as it is on PS5 so even if they get the games they will look worse than on my PS. I have no need to handheld anything because when I leave my house its cause I have things to do. On top of that I can't stand how Nintendo doesn't have a trophy\achievement system setup. Even steam gives you that at least.

 

[EN250]

My current issue with Playstation this gen as whole is they stopped making games that I like.

Other than Team ASOBI they don't have any studio to make the games I want.

And at the same time qualify of sequels keep dropping, going from GOW18 to Ragnarok was lukewarm, Horizon to FW was rough, Spider-Man 1 to the 2nd was even worst

 

[Barakov]

 

[Fess]

The actual truth is Xbox fans have pretty much nothing to worry about for the forseeable future. They're going to stick with all Xbox games, Gamepass, and soon have options for virtually everything else available through PC stores while maintaining BC with their library. There's really no downside except some more expensive hardware. The shock of fully giving up on exclusives occurred 16 months ago.

This is actually spot on. Unless MS lie about everything they've paved a road to the future that I think most Xbox fans have already accepted.
Well, besides closed studios and popular games getting cancelled… They need to be careful with that!

Sony don't talk about every little thing they consider doing so there is more "shocking" changes happening there for the fans.
But Helldivers 2 is a multiplayer title and they've spoken about releasing mp games on more platforms.

 

[Danjin44]

And at the same time qualify of sequels keep dropping, going from GOW18 to Ragnarok was lukewarm, Horizon to FW was rough, Spider-Man 1 to the 2 was even worst

I personally not fan of their western first party games but unfortunately that 90% of Sony's output this gen.

 

[yogaflame]

My current issue with Playstation this gen as whole is they stopped making games that I like.

Other than Team ASOBI they don't have any studio to make the games I want.

No worries our bald lesbian hero is coming up from Neil Druckman.

 

[MoreJRPG]

this is how Nintendo sold a billion Switch 1 systems despite the hardware being a potato

They sold Switch 1 systems because they had a 100 million 3DS users with nowhere to go who can't tell the difference between 360p and 4k.

 

[poppabk]

which makes it even crazier. people love the exclusives that much. slow hardware and re-released Nintendo games, and it still sells like crazy

people love exclusives

But that can't be true if the same exclusives didnt sell the WiiU.
People loved the Switch hardware and the games they wanted to play on it were exclusives. Not the other way around.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Outside of guys like @Sweet Tooth, I'd say some of those bans were more about people being dicks to other people. If I had the power to unban any of them, I'd unban a fanboy before I unban an asshole

That Mibo Nu Weeabo guy was a total cunt. I do miss James though. He was a good egg, just romantically in love with the PlayStation brand.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Except most of the big exclusives were ports from WiiU which sold like 10 systems.

In the top 20 list of best selling Switch games, 3 had Wii U versions. Do you need me to check on the top 20 best selling PS5 games how many of those had PS4 versions?

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Except most of the big exclusives were ports from WiiU which sold like 10 systems.

this is just factually false

let me know when you want to discuss in good faith and not make up stuff

if you really believe Switch would have sold just as well if their games were on PS, xbox and PC, I have a bridge to sell you

 

[Reckheim]

the fuck is this? its video games, stop taking it so seriously.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Damn, son. Damn.

 

[Topher]

That Mibo Nu Weeabo guy was a total cunt. I do miss James though. He was a good egg, just romantically in love with the PlayStation brand.

He is a good guy. Just doesn't know when to quit. Went to other board and continued ranting, blaming everyone but himself. sigh....I mean no one is perfect, but admitting to your mistakes goes a long way, I think.

 

[KenaiPhoenix]

Imagine posting something like this the next day Xbox just imploded.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

He is a good guy. Just doesn't know when to quit. Went to other board and continued ranting, blaming everyone but himself. sigh....I mean no one is perfect, but admitting to your mistakes goes a long way, I think.

getting exiled from gaf only to land at the other forum is the very definition of hitting rock bottom

 

[Arsic]

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

Why play games when I can read stuff like the op for free.
Op your post brought me more joy than some triple A experiences.