this is how Nintendo sold a billion Switch 1 systems despite the hardware being a potatoI sometimes forget that some people really care about all this exclusive game shit.
This is such a profoundly stupid argument. It's not "perceived value". It's a tangible, real world distinction between products. Product A can do X, product B cannot. These are distinct and competing game platforms. Hence, the primary factor that separates them is the games they can or cannot play. If they never had value, why has this been the prime distinction between games consoles from the very birth of the medium? Why have millions of consumers made decisions about which platforms to buy because of it?What value? It still plays 3rd party AAA games. Indie, etc You just can't hold "i have a game you dont" over others heads anymore. So your precieved value is gone I guess....
"Sony this sony that" worried about their bottom line and how they will be around a long time, but what about the console fan/user and how these moves affects them? But your point taken and noted, corpo stan
So then what is the reason to buy PS consoles going forward? It isn't power, that belongs to PC. It isn't exclusive software, that belongs to Nintendo (and even PC). It isn't price, since, again, they are beaten there by Nintendo.Sony's first party was quite small during the PS1/PS2 days
It was the success of the 360 that caused them to seriously invest in 3rd party
Now that Xbox is finished in the console race they're not as worried anymore.
Fanboy fan fiction. This isn't 2002 anymore. That "value" is retarded and always has been. Why should I have to buy an Xbox to play halo or a PS for GOW? What if I want to play GOW on my Xbox. Or halo on my PS? How does this mean lower quality games? Did Sega's games drop off after they exited the console market? Lol, what a geek.This is such a profoundly stupid argument. It's not "perceived value". It's a tangible, real world distinction between products. Product A can do X, product B cannot. These are distinct and competing game platforms. Hence, the primary factor that separates them is the games they can or cannot play. If they never had value, why has this been the prime distinction between games consoles from the very birth of the medium? Why have millions of consumers made decisions about which platforms to buy because of it?
I also notice that you fail to address the second half of my post, because there's really nothing you can say to even begin to argue against it. Even going by your erroneous framing, in the long run this means lower quality games and fewer of them at that, and for ZERO benefit to anyone. Game sales will actually decrease over the long haul because of this.
those of you wanting japanese head
You mean, like, outselling the Xbox 360 in 2007?That's the main reason ps3 ended up selling so much after its disastous start
So then what is the reason to buy PS consoles going forward? It isn't power, that belongs to PC. It isn't exclusive software, that belongs to Nintendo (and even PC). It isn't price, since, again, they are beaten there by Nintendo.
You bring up the ps1/ps2 days, and you are correct that their first party operation was quite limited then. But you ignore the fact that Sony had a massive HARDWARE advantage over the competition then. They offered games on CD while Nintendo was still messing around with cartridges. This allowed an explosion of third party software on their platform that was not only cheaper than cartridge games, but also ended up being straight up exclusive to their console. And PC actually was a separate market back then, with PC specific games. And the mobile market didn't exist yet.
So it's not that exclusives weren't important back then. They were just as important. The difference was that third parties essentially functioned as Sony's first party back then (think FF, KH, MGS, just to name a few). That basically ended in the ps360 generation, which was what made them build up their own first party. That's the main reason ps3 ended up selling so much after its disastous start, and why the ps4 was so dominant, and why the ps5 has sold so well off of that momentum.
YES. Profoundly. It's not even an argument. Do you realize the sheer number of IP that has been diminished or gone for years or forever from the moment Sega went third party? Going from first party to third is a demotion. Less revenue, less control, less prestige.Fanboy fan fiction. This isn't 2002 anymore. How does this mean lower quality games? Did Sega's game drop off after they exited the console market? Lol, what a geek.
So then what is the reason to buy PS consoles going forward? It isn't power, that belongs to PC. It isn't exclusive software, that belongs to Nintendo (and even PC). It isn't price, since, again, they are beaten there by Nintendo.
You bring up the ps1/ps2 days, and you are correct that their first party operation was quite limited then. But you ignore the fact that Sony had a massive HARDWARE advantage over the competition then. They offered games on CD while Nintendo was still messing around with cartridges. This allowed an explosion of third party software on their platform that was not only cheaper than cartridge games, but also ended up being straight up exclusive to their console. And PC actually was a separate market back then, with PC specific games. And the mobile market didn't exist yet.
So it's not that exclusives weren't important back then. They were just as important. The difference was that third parties essentially functioned as Sony's first party back then (think FF, KH, MGS, just to name a few). That basically ended in the ps360 generation, which was what made them build up their own first party. That's the main reason ps3 ended up selling so much after its disastous start, and why the ps4 was so dominant, and why the ps5 has sold so well off of that momentum.
Sony just ported Helldivers to Xbox. God of war can be played natively on PC. Capcom now makes 1/3 of their revenue from steam. Wake up.YES. Profoundly. It's not even an argument. Do you realize the sheer number of IP that has been diminished or gone for years or forever from the moment Sega went third party? Going from first party to third is a demotion. Less revenue, less control, less prestige.
And for fanboy fiction in 2002, it is pretty strange that it's been playing out in slow motion on Xbox for the past decade. It's 2025, take off the kumbaya goggles.
PC still has exclusives. Some of the most played games worldwide actually.Nintendo is still messing about with cartridges. Quite expensive ones too I may add
As for PC, yeah, where did all the PC specific games go?
He can use his own sister, who is also his motherOp needs to get laid... quick!!
Anyone got a sister they can loan out?
Can only give you my reasoning. I hate Nintendo's games so their exclusives mean nothing to me. I'm not a child anymore and that's what those games feel like.
Nintendo is the only one who cares about exclusivesNintendo is still messing about with cartridges. Quite expensive ones too I may add
As for PC, yeah, where did all the PC specific games go?
Except most of the big exclusives were ports from WiiU which sold like 10 systems.this is how Nintendo sold a billion Switch 1 systems despite the hardware being a potato
Even the plug and play experience will not be exclusive to PS going forward. There will be many more PC or Steam devices coming out that will functionally act like consoles.Can only give you my reasoning. I hate Nintendo's games so their exclusives mean nothing to me. I'm not a child anymore and that's what those games feel like. Xenoblade chronicles 2 was great though I'll admit.
I don't like PC gaming. I tried it and I had to many issues. There were random and they didn't take long to fix but I don't have 10 mins to fix shit. On top of that my son uses my PS5 to play games now I have to fix shit when he's playing? No thanks.
I just want a simple plug and play console and Xbox and PS are the only ones doing it.
OP right now:He can use his own sister, who is also his mother
Outside of guys like @Sweet Tooth, I'd say some of those bans were more about people being dicks to other people. If I had the power to unban any of them, I'd unban a fanboy before I unban an asshole
Even the plug and play experience will not be exclusive to PS going forward. There will be many more PC or Steam devices coming out that will functionally act like consoles.
Not to mention Switch is already a plug and play console that will have almost every game available on it,
including from Sony unless they change course.
which makes it even crazier. people love the exclusives that much. slow hardware and re-released Nintendo games, and it still sells like crazyExcept most of the big exclusives were ports from WiiU which sold like 10 systems.
Great when that happens maybe I move to PC. Until then I'm good on PS.Even the plug and play experience will not be exclusive to PS going forward. There will be many more PC or Steam devices coming out that will functionally act like consoles.
Not to mention Switch is already a plug and play console that will have almost every game available on it, including from Sony unless they change course.
And at the same time qualify of sequels keep dropping, going from GOW18 to Ragnarok was lukewarm, Horizon to FW was rough, Spider-Man 1 to the 2nd was even worstMy current issue with Playstation this gen as whole is they stopped making games that I like.
Other than Team ASOBI they don't have any studio to make the games I want.
This is actually spot on. Unless MS lie about everything they've paved a road to the future that I think most Xbox fans have already accepted.The actual truth is Xbox fans have pretty much nothing to worry about for the forseeable future. They're going to stick with all Xbox games, Gamepass, and soon have options for virtually everything else available through PC stores while maintaining BC with their library. There's really no downside except some more expensive hardware. The shock of fully giving up on exclusives occurred 16 months ago.
I personally not fan of their western first party games but unfortunately that 90% of Sony's output this gen.And at the same time qualify of sequels keep dropping, going from GOW18 to Ragnarok was lukewarm, Horizon to FW was rough, Spider-Man 1 to the 2 was even worst
No worries our bald lesbian hero is coming up from Neil Druckman.My current issue with Playstation this gen as whole is they stopped making games that I like.
Other than Team ASOBI they don't have any studio to make the games I want.
They sold Switch 1 systems because they had a 100 million 3DS users with nowhere to go who can't tell the difference between 360p and 4k.this is how Nintendo sold a billion Switch 1 systems despite the hardware being a potato
But that can't be true if the same exclusives didnt sell the WiiU.which makes it even crazier. people love the exclusives that much. slow hardware and re-released Nintendo games, and it still sells like crazy
people love exclusives
Outside of guys like @Sweet Tooth, I'd say some of those bans were more about people being dicks to other people. If I had the power to unban any of them, I'd unban a fanboy before I unban an asshole
Except most of the big exclusives were ports from WiiU which sold like 10 systems.
this is just factually falseExcept most of the big exclusives were ports from WiiU which sold like 10 systems.
That Mibo Nu Weeabo guy was a total cunt. I do miss James though. He was a good egg, just romantically in love with the PlayStation brand.
getting exiled from gaf only to land at the other forum is the very definition of hitting rock bottomHe is a good guy. Just doesn't know when to quit. Went to other board and continued ranting, blaming everyone but himself. sigh....I mean no one is perfect, but admitting to your mistakes goes a long way, I think.