The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Mod Discussion and News [Creation Kit released]

You can still use a map when you need to.

Spent a couple hours last night researching how best to mod Skyrim. I've got about 250 hours on the Xbox360 version already, but now with a half-decent PC, figured it was time for another couple hundred hours, this time with mods and in full 1080p glory. Installed it today, worked through a semi-reasonable list of mods and started her up. Everything seems to have worked just fine, only glitch being a patch of water missing from the lake near Riverwood.

Saw I was running 60fps easy peasy so I figured I had room to downsample and have got it running fairly decently at 1440p. Outside, during dawn/dusk, I go through a period of 37-47fps or so, but I think I can live with that when everything else runs 55-60fps and it looks as nice as this:

Got a question, though. I would like properly dark nights. I've got CoT installed and I have it on the level 5 dark night setting, which isn't quite dark enough for me but going further seems to make all light sources dim considerably, which looks weird. Is there any good way to have nice, semi-realistic dark nights but also still have bright illuminated light sources?

You running EMB?
 
Got a question, though. I would like properly dark nights. I've got CoT installed and I have it on the level 5 dark night setting, which isn't quite dark enough for me but going further seems to make all light sources dim considerably, which looks weird. Is there any good way to have nice, semi-realistic dark nights but also still have bright illuminated light sources?

Easiest way is to play around with ENB settings. You can set the brightness, intensity etc separately for nights, days and indoors. The best way to do this is press ~ to bring up the console and then shift+f12 and tweak to your liking.

Also about the hud, check out less intrusive hud. You can resize, move and rotate the huds to your liking and it even comes with customized compass and crosshair. I think it's better than disabling the hud all together and it works well with iHud as well. The screenshots I posted couple posts back is using the less intrusive hud compass and it's really nice.
 
Not using any ENB's. I'm quite happy with how everything else looks for the most part and I'm not a huge fan of what a lot of these ENB's do. Is there one that is pretty minimal in terms of its effect, both visually and on performance that I could possibly achieve what I'm hoping for? I really don't want to give up 1440p now that I've seen it!

With the HUD, I really like no HUD whenever possible. iHUD is perfect in that it brings up the elements that need to be seen when they need to be seen and go right away when not in use. I don't find much need for the compass as I can just look at my map if I need to figure out where I am or where to go.

EDIT: And were talking about an ENB Mesoian? Wasn't trying to be pedantic, I thought maybe EMB was something I maybe didn't know about, especially the way you worded it.
 
Not using any ENB's. I'm quite happy with how everything else looks for the most part and I'm not a huge fan of what a lot of these ENB's do. Is there one that is pretty minimal in terms of its effect, both visually and on performance that I could possibly achieve what I'm hoping for? I really don't want to give up 1440p now that I've seen it!

With the HUD, I really like no HUD whenever possible. iHUD is perfect in that it brings up the elements that need to be seen when they need to be seen and go right away when not in use. I don't find much need for the compass as I can just look at my map if I need to figure out where I am or where to go.

EDIT: And were talking about an ENB Mesoian? Wasn't trying to be pedantic, I thought maybe EMB was something I maybe didn't know about, especially the way you worded it.

I was, yes. Typos.

In my experience, brights and darks only became truly relevant after using an ENB. Prior to that, even with alternate lighting mods, the idea of snowblindness or complete darkness never really came into play, the gamma settings that Skyrim uses by default always kept things within certain levels so, even if you're in a room, underground, with no light sources at all, you could still see. After I put on my first ENB mode, which I think was realENB at the time, things got more drastic. My followers and I HAD to carry torches or lanterns. Being on the snowplains outside of winterhelm during mid day with a bright sun meant you couldn't see due to brightness refraction.

ENB made a world of difference in my game. Thankfully, the preformance trade off wasn't so drastic on my rig that it made things truly horrid (I lost about 10-15 fps, so I hover around 50-55 now).
 
Not using any ENB's. I'm quite happy with how everything else looks for the most part and I'm not a huge fan of what a lot of these ENB's do. Is there one that is pretty minimal in terms of its effect, both visually and on performance that I could possibly achieve what I'm hoping for? I really don't want to give up 1440p now that I've seen it!

ENB is quite flexible. You can download whichever one you want and enable or disable effects to your liking in real-time within the game. You can even keep the vanilla Skyrim look and just enable enb AO for an example.

Even if you don't want the enb graphics, it's better to have it anyways since it improves Skyrim's memory management.

As for ENB recommendation, no one can really recommend one since it depends on your taste. I personally like NLA enb more than others but it doesn't support CoT.
 
Took a couple of "fighting dragon" action shots last night. I love the fire effects, I'm not sure if the fire looked liked this during a dragon fight in vanilla Skyrim, I have the "Ultimate HD Fire Effects" mod active, so maybe that's what makes it looks so good:

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sorry to be "that guy", but can someone recommend me an ENB that wouldnt be to heavy for a GTX580

im gonna be reinstalling and i dont mind running around 30fps, but im obviously trying to avoid that 10fps area

i can take care of the other mods myself, have a pretty good idea of what i want


i use realvision ENB performance option. Works well, but still stutters my old 6800.
 
I was, yes. Typos.

In my experience, brights and darks only became truly relevant after using an ENB. Prior to that, even with alternate lighting mods, the idea of snowblindness or complete darkness never really came into play, the gamma settings that Skyrim uses by default always kept things within certain levels so, even if you're in a room, underground, with no light sources at all, you could still see. After I put on my first ENB mode, which I think was realENB at the time, things got more drastic. My followers and I HAD to carry torches or lanterns. Being on the snowplains outside of winterhelm during mid day with a bright sun meant you couldn't see due to brightness refraction.

ENB made a world of difference in my game. Thankfully, the preformance trade off wasn't so drastic on my rig that it made things truly horrid (I lost about 10-15 fps, so I hover around 50-55 now).

ENB is quite flexible. You can download whichever one you want and enable or disable effects to your liking in real-time within the game. You can even keep the vanilla Skyrim look and just enable enb AO for an example.

Even if you don't want the enb graphics, it's better to have it anyways since it improves Skyrim's memory management.

As for ENB recommendation, no one can really recommend one since it depends on your taste. I personally like NLA enb more than others but it doesn't support CoT.
Thanks for the advice. I might have to mess around with them here soon. For the moment, I'm basically just skipping through nights. They aren't horrible, but I want something like I got with New Vegas.
 
The game is not balanced for no compass. Some descriptions can be really vague.

There's mods like 'Point the Way' that help in that regard, and, indeed, you can just open your map if you can't find something. But it's a matter of preference: I enjoy walking through Skyrim with nothing cluttering my screen, and the exploration feels a lot more natural without the game letting you know what's all around you.

Trust me, it's great.
 
There's mods like 'Point the Way' that help in that regard, and, indeed, you can just open your map if you can't find something. But it's a matter of preference: I enjoy walking through Skyrim with nothing cluttering my screen, and the exploration feels a lot more natural without the game letting you know what's all around you.

Trust me, it's great.

If there were more to do in the big hubs, I'd agree with you. But everything hinges on being spread apart and single use...I think that would get tedious in this game. That being said, I'm eager to see how Skywind turns out so it can adopt that sort of mindset. No fast travel outside of carts, boats or shoopufs.
 
Immersive HUD allows you to toggle all HUD elements like compass with a hotkey or make them context sensitive.

Immersive HUD's good.
What i'd really like, however, would be to have the map and compass to be items like in Minecraft (or perhaps other survival games, or Far Cry 2), and the game's directions should be made so that you need to actually explore and pay attention to directions*.
Imagine that! A bear surprises you while you're reading your map and determining where you're.
For real hardcore experience, navigation via stars and sun should be possible too.

*No typos though, i remember this one Morrowind quest having wrong direction (west instead of east or vice versa) meaning you couldn't find what you were supposed without reading another guide or having an unofficial patch.
 
Immersive HUD's good.
What i'd really like, however, would be to have the map and compass to be items like in Minecraft (or perhaps other survival games, or Far Cry 2), and the game's directions should be made so that you need to actually explore and pay attention to directions*.
Imagine that! A bear surprises you while you're reading your map and determining where you're.
For real hardcore experience, navigation via stars and sun should be possible too.

*No typos though, i remember this one Morrowind quest having wrong direction (west instead of east or vice versa) meaning you couldn't find what you were supposed without reading another guide or having an unofficial patch.

Yeah, someone skilled should make pipboy style map and compass mod that doesn't pause the game. Imagine that.
 
Yeah, someone skilled should make pipboy style map and compass mod that doesn't pause the game. Imagine that.

I just realized i wouldn't have any use for such in Skyrim. I know the game's areas too well already.
Morrowind with Tamriel Rebuilt on the other hand...
Skyrim's too small too anyway. Need a bigger world.
Hope TESVI world will be some 4 times Skyrim's...
 
I recently fiddled with my .inis and now I've lost my compass. I've checked and bshowcompass is set to 1 so not sure what I've done really.

I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling both skyui and ihud but neither brings my compass back. Any tips?
 
I recently fiddled with my .inis and now I've lost my compass. I've checked and bshowcompass is set to 1 so not sure what I've done really.

I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling both skyui and ihud but neither brings my compass back. Any tips?

Run integrety check in steam. Hopefully it resets your ini.
 
I installed a large amount of mods, and it was chugging away at 60 fps no problem. After I installed Real Vision that was down to 30 in caves, and usually below that outside (sometimes going to 10). It looks gorgeous though.

I have a 760, is it just down to needing a better GPU for this thing? Also I guess I will try the light version, even if it won't look as good :(


Off topic question, did they ever do anything with that memory thing that was doing the rounds a few months ago?
 
I installed a large amount of mods, and it was chugging away at 60 fps no problem. After I installed Real Vision that was down to 30 in caves, and usually below that outside (sometimes going to 10). It looks gorgeous though.

I have a 760, is it just down to needing a better GPU for this thing? Also I guess I will try the light version, even if it won't look as good :(


Off topic question, did they ever do anything with that memory thing that was doing the rounds a few months ago?

I get about 40fps on average with a ton of mods and Realvision enb. Some areas that goes up to 60fps or higher, other areas it can still drop down to 25 :/

The DOF and SAO really hit the frame rate hard in some areas. Am usually always at 60fps inside though.

This is with a single 780ti and a 2500k @4.5ghz.

As far as the memory patch is concerned, it is essential to stop the game from ctd when running lots of mods, make sure to use it!
 
Took a couple of "fighting dragon" action shots last night. I love the fire effects, I'm not sure if the fire looked liked this during a dragon fight in vanilla Skyrim, I have the "Ultimate HD Fire Effects" mod active, so maybe that's what makes it looks so good:

that first one is amazing, I nabbed it and set it up as my desktop wallpaper. (I hope you don't mind.) A very cinematic shot!
 
Wow the Nexus has shat itself. I can't even download files manually at the mo.

I don't think I've ever had a decent experience using the nexus and NMM. Files always fail to download. Goddamn frustrating.
 
Wow the Nexus has shat itself. I can't even download files manually at the mo.

I don't think I've ever had a decent experience using the nexus and NMM. Files always fail to download. Goddamn frustrating.

Yeah, they just updated to a new numbered version, so I expect it to be down for the day.

Kind of thinking of wiping everything and starting over. Sink another 200 hours into it. ::Shrugs:: I wish Fallout 3 actually worked on my computer. It used to...
 
Why can't I get RealVision Enb to work? I press Shift+Enter and I get a window but the game looks the same.

Did you follow the instructions? Realvision is a bit more complex to install than other enb's. You have to run the realvision installer, also check your .ini and make sure bfloatpointrender=1. All of this is on the main mod page and in realvision's case you should follow it.
 
Did you follow the instructions? Realvision is a bit more complex to install than other enb's. You have to run the realvision installer, also check your .ini and make sure bfloatpointrender=1. All of this is on the main mod page and in realvision's case you should follow it.

There was an INI on the page which I copied and pasted into my documents/my games /skyrim folder.

Is it possible it clashes with some of the other mods? I've installed quite a bit.
 
There was an INI on the page which I copied and pasted into my documents/my games /skyrim folder.

Is it possible it clashes with some of the other mods? I've installed quite a bit.

Shift+F12 enables or disables ENB.

Also have you downloaded the Skyrim ENB files from enbdev.com and installed that first before installing realvision? You should have d3d9.dll in your skyrim folder if you have.
 
Changed some stuff and now the game keeps crashing on startup. Tried running BOSS and TES5edit and they didn't find and errors.

So now do I do a fresh install and install the mods one by one?
 
Changed some stuff and now the game keeps crashing on startup. Tried running BOSS and TES5edit and they didn't find and errors.

So now do I do a fresh install and install the mods one by one?

1) Remove enb files.
2) Verify local cache for Skyrim via steam.

If it still crashes:

Do a fresh install and use Mod Organizer instead of NMM. Also don't download ini files off the internet as they are usually optimized for a specific system.

Or you could disable all esp and esm(don't uninstall mods yet) except for Skyrim.esm, Update.esm, and the DLC esms. And then enable each esp and esms one by one until you find the one that's causing you to crash.
Once you find out the offending esp, uninstall the mod associated with it.

But seriously, don't go overboard with mods. Badly modded games don't look consistent and the gameplay balance gets thrown out the door.
 
1) Remove enb files.
2) Verify local cache for Skyrim via steam.

If it still crashes:

Do a fresh install and use Mod Organizer instead of NMM. Also don't download ini files off the internet as they are usually optimized for a specific system.

Or you could disable all esp and esm(don't uninstall mods yet) except for Skyrim.esm, Update.esm, and the DLC esms. And then enable each esp and esms one by one until you find the one that's causing you to crash.
Once you find out the offending esp, uninstall the mod associated with it.

But seriously, don't go overboard with mods. Badly modded games don't look consistent and the gameplay balance gets thrown out the door.

Yeah I think installing 100+ at once was too many. Will try and follow the advice you described and see if it works, Thanks.
 
Bah, you probably don't need to do any of that, that's taking a hatchet to a papercut, and the whole point of modding is to go full blast and see just how far you can take it while still making it work. At least that's what I do. The solution to your problem is simple though.

There was an INI on the page which I copied and pasted into my documents/my games /skyrim folder.

Is it possible it clashes with some of the other mods? I've installed quite a bit.

The .ini you downloaded is EWI's .ini, it has it's own mod page if you are interested. It is a highly optimized .ini. That's not a bad thing, on the contrary it's quite good. It just needs some tweaks to work with your system. If you haven't opened it, you need to, it's in documents->my games -> Skyrim(that's the default folder anyway) and I recommend using notepad++. Regular notepad is fine though. There's going to be a whole bunch of variables and arrows pointing to them that tell you what to change.

For instance you probably don't have a GTX 780, so change that, you might be playing on more than 1080p so change that, etc... etc...whatever needs to be changed to fit your system change it then save. You should be good then. If the .ini was your problem which is my guess.
 
Went whole hog and restructured my entire mod system last night. New 4K texture packs, flora overhauls, skin meshes, the works. Then I did live another life and the mod stuck me in the middle of the sea above dawnstar. Took 2 minutes to swim to shore.
 
Went whole hog and restructured my entire mod system last night. New 4K texture packs, flora overhauls, skin meshes, the works. Then I did live another life and the mod stuck me in the middle of the sea above dawnstar. Took 2 minutes to swim to shore.

Just be fortunate you didn't have Frostfall installed or that would've been a very short life for your newly formed Dragonborn.
 
Just be fortunate you didn't have Frostfall installed or that would've been a very short life for your newly formed Dragonborn.
Lol... I started a new game with Frostfall, and Wet & Cold a few days back, getting up to High Hrothgar was rough. You can make tents with this mod, right? Haven't figured that out yet.
 
Lol... I started a new game with Frostfall, and Wet & Cold a few days back, getting up to High Hrothgar was rough. You can make tents with this mod, right? Haven't figured that out yet.

First you have to make the tent at a tanning rack, or buy one from a general goods store. Then you pitch it by dropping it from your inventory. You make a fire with the survival power you got when the mod started. You can also cheese it a bit by installing AFT. With AFT you can tell you companions to pitch a tent, and they will make a small campsite. It's cool, but cheating a bit.
 
Oh, man. You just have to drop it? That seems kinda... I dunno, I was expecting some kind of context menu, like with the wood gathering and fire building.

That really would've saved me a lot of grief on my trips to High Hrothgar and Skyborn Altar.
 
Oh, man. You just have to drop it? That seems kinda... I dunno, I was expecting some kind of context menu, like with the wood gathering and fire building.

That really would've saved me a lot of grief on my trips to High Hrothgar and Skyborn Altar.

Yeah, you drop it, and the game asks you if you want to pitch your tent (heh) or just drop it. Then you go into object placement mode.
 
BWAHAHAHAAH!!!!!

Just ordered a 2gb AMD R260X video card, $126 after shipping and before MIR. :D

This is Skyrim related becaues I Can't wait to get off this damn 256mb graphics texture pack I've been using just so I can use all of my feature-based mods. :)
And according to Skyrim Performance Monitor, I'm still hitting 900mb VRAM usage without ENB-anything. :o


Currently using a 5750 1gb, gonna miss this puppy. ;_; Oh well, it'll serve well in my backup PC, which is currently running a 512mb 3850. :)
 
You guys...I think i'm losing my mind.

I just got home, plopped down the the couch, loaded into skyrim, noticed that I was getting a lot of repeated textures, decided to save and quit to check my load order, when in skyrim, IN SKYRIM, Jeff Gerstmann's "Da Rap Man" started playing. I had nothing else open, I don't have that song on this PC at all.

I'm kind of freaked out right now. I don't know what's going on.
 
BWAHAHAHAAH!!!!!

Just ordered a 2gb AMD R260X video card, $126 after shipping and before MIR. :D

This is Skyrim related becaues I Can't wait to get off this damn 256mb graphics texture pack I've been using just so I can use all of my feature-based mods. :)
And according to Skyrim Performance Monitor, I'm still hitting 900mb VRAM usage without ENB-anything. :o


Currently using a 5750 1gb, gonna miss this puppy. ;_; Oh well, it'll serve well in my backup PC, which is currently running a 512mb 3850. :)

My modded Skyrim+enb is always maxing out my 780ti's 3GB vram (although rarely crashes), I wouldn't be surprised if I were using in the region of 4-5GB vram easily if my card had the space. I need one of those 780ti/Titan Black editions with 6GB of vram, but I can't justify THAT MUCH money on a single card purchase, it is insane :)
 
You guys...I think i'm losing my mind.

I just got home, plopped down the the couch, loaded into skyrim, noticed that I was getting a lot of repeated textures, decided to save and quit to check my load order, when in skyrim, IN SKYRIM, Jeff Gerstmann's "Da Rap Man" started playing. I had nothing else open, I don't have that song on this PC at all.

I'm kind of freaked out right now. I don't know what's going on.
Check you Skyrim/Data/Music directory, maybe some mod added it?
My modded Skyrim+enb is always maxing out my 780ti's 3GB vram (although rarely crashes), I wouldn't be surprised if I were using in the region of 4-5GB vram easily if my card had the space. I need one of those 780ti/Titan Black editions with 6GB of vram, but I can't justify THAT MUCH money on a single card purchase, it is insane :)

Doesn't Skyrim crash when it uses above 3GB VRAM? Anymore doesn't help if your game always crashes...
 
Check you Skyrim/Data/Music directory, maybe some mod added it?


Doesn't Skyrim crash when it uses above 3GB VRAM? Anymore doesn't help if your game always crashes...

I think when it hits 3Gb system memory it crashes, not video memory. Unless of course a modder has fixed that.
 
I think when it hits 3Gb system memory it crashes, not video memory. Unless of course a modder has fixed that.

Pretty sure it was video memory... ah, damn it, i'll google it.

EDIT one place says it is 3.1GB RAM. By default Skyrim, despite being large address aware, doesn't apparently use more than 2.5GB though.
 
It still can't use more than the limits imposed by being a 32-bit application. I think the newer ENBs have a way around this, obviously you need an x64 OS for it.
 
Check you Skyrim/Data/Music directory, maybe some mod added it?


Doesn't Skyrim crash when it uses above 3GB VRAM? Anymore doesn't help if your game always crashes...

Correct. It can use as much VRAM as your card has available (hell it could use all 6Gb if you had enough texture data) without causing any problems. It used to be the RAM usage that caused issues when exceeding 3Gb, but indeed the later ENB's fix this by creating a new 64bit process and shoving all the data in there instead, and acting as a proxy between that and the normal Skyrim tesv.exe process, clever really.

None of this is to be confused with the very recent startup memory block allocation patch, which is something completely different, and just makes the initial internal Skyrim data blocks larger to avoid crashing.

So basically these days, with a relatively recently modded skyrim and an x64 OS, you are good to go, assuming you have the hardware :)
 
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