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[Alienous]

Oh my

You don't know if he dies or not though

He's a projection of Big Boss' psyche, or Psycho Mantis' influence. He apparently 'dies' in the ambulance crash, after which Ocelot extracts Big Boss.

He doesn't carry Big Boss. He doesn't drive the ambulance either. The drugs he administers do nothing. He isn't a physical being.

 

[ukas]

lol no

I cannot believe some of the stuff I'm reading here. "Skullface is Ocelot", "Ishmael is Solidus", "the random blonde nurse is EVA". Have you guys even played the Metal Gear games ? How can you even propose that with any ounce of seriousness ?

Wouldn't Solidus be about 12?

 

[Graphics Horse]

Fuck it, here's my theory.

Big Boss wakes up delirious. He sees a white petal (which symbolizes The Boss) floating infront of him, reaches for it, and realizes that he's lost an arm. He blacks out, and as he regains consciousness he sees the face of a blonde woman, and says "Boss". The nurse, the peering face checking on Snake after hearing motion in the room, is startled and runs out. Snake blacks out. She returns with the doctor. "Nine years". Snake blacks out.

This is out of sequence, he's on the floor when he sees his arm and the burning petals, they came from some accident involving burning woman.

Nurse sees him awake -> doctor talk -> time passes -> night time attack, knocked out of bed, petals, fire etc. I think there's a poster who made a video of the whole hospital thing recut into the right order.

 

[Rogue Agent]

Let's get some pics in here, we can crack this.

Sorry for the roughness.

http://i.imgur.com/fseCdEr.jpg

 

[SJRB]

So Skull Face is Sokolov? I guess that makes sense, both names start with an S and Volgin killing Sokolov probably explains why Sokolov looks, sounds and acts completely different as Skull Face.

Sokolov is probably still salty over Big Boss stealing his Playboy magazines, which is why he attacked MSF.

 

[AuthenticM]

Wouldn't Solidus be about 12?

Not even. He was created after Solid and Liquid, and those two are 12 in Phantom Pain, as they were born in 72.

 

[AgentLampshade]

I kinda hope Solidus is in the game actually. He's my favourite Snake.

Spoiler

Now watch as Eli is revealed to be Solidus, just to fuck everything up.

 

[Messypandas]

Thats weird. First time I played it I immediately suspected Keifer was also voicing the medic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQMZP-cpjCQ#t=1166

They can mask the pitch but not the intonations. Just thought they were being cheap.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Not even. He was created after Solid and Liquid, and those two are 12 in Phantom Pain, as they were born in 72.

Solidus still has to become Raiden's father figure in the 80s if MGS2 is to be believed.

 

[$200]

lol no

I cannot believe some of the stuff I'm reading here. "Skullface is Ocelot", "Ishmael is Solidus", "the random blonde nurse is EVA". Have you guys even played the Metal Gear games ? How can you even propose that with any ounce of seriousness ?

Picture still relevant after 6 years.

 

[AuthenticM]

Solidus still has to become Raiden's father figure in the 80s if MGS2 is to be believed.

Of course, but don't forget that he ages faster than normal, which is why is looks 60 in MGS2, despite being in his 30s. He could very well be in his early 20s in the 80s, and looking older.

 

[Salaadin]

Doesn't GZ take place days after PW? Seems odd that this medic is a clone or octopus and he's just kinda there chilling, waiting for Snake to rescue people so he can do his medic thing.

But I keep going back to that hospital scene. Boss and Kaz on the table, there's the camera that Kaz refers to as a person but no sign of Medic or Morpho.

 

[ukas]

Not even. He was created after Solid and Liquid, and those two are 12 in Phantom Pain, as they were born in 72.

My bad. I thought Solidus was cloned at the same time as Solid and Liquid.

 

[beastmode]

He's a projection of Big Boss' psyche, or Psycho Mantis' influence. He apparently 'dies' in the ambulance crash, after which Ocelot extracts Big Boss.

He doesn't carry Big Boss. He doesn't drive the ambulance either. The drugs he administers do nothing. He isn't a physical being.

On that note, did you get the feeling that Mantis is with Ocelot, considering the latter is the only other living Metal Gear character with ESP sensitivity?

Sorry for the roughness.

I think she's the one that says "V has come to." As in, "[Big Boss] has come out of his coma." Her Eastern European (?) accent and gear point to her being an XOF agent. Snake reflexively kills her with something flammable upon waking thanks to the presence of nearby Mantis (sent by Ocelot to intercept) but passes out. Soon XOF commandos arrive to kill everyone on site. Snake is woken by "Ishmael", and imprints his actions onto him.

 

[Sub_Level]

Of course, but don't forget that he ages faster than normal, which is why is looks 60 in MGS2, despite being in his 30s. He could very well be in his early 20s in the 80s, and looking older.

But 1972 is the earliest possible date Solidus can be born unless they either retcon the LET date given by MGS3 (which doesn't seem to be the case given Eli's appearance and Kaz asking about the sons in Peace Walker) or retcon Solidus being younger than the other two. With the current canon there's no way Solidus can be 20 or older in the 80s.

Picture still relevant after 6 years.

Ishmael being Solidus is ridiculous. All hints point to him being either Big Boss' subconscious or something supernatural like Mantis. Also don't buy that Skullface isn't a new character. But I don't see how Eva being the nurse is so insane or stupid. It wouldn't be the first time she cared for "Big Boss' corpse and her appearance seemingly fits the bill:

1964

1984

2014

Neither the doctor or Mantis get special dramatic title cards so I don't see why people are calling her a 'random' nurse either. Eva caring for Big Boss at the hospital doesn't contradict anything to my knowledge.

 

[Rogue Agent]

At the very latest assuming Solidus was created the same year they wrapped up LET in 1976, that would make him like 8 years old in Phantom Pain and 13 when he adopts Raiden. At the very earliest he'd be the same age as Solid and Liquid and born in 1972, making him 12 in Phantom Pain and 17 after he has adopted Raiden and makes him fight in the civil war.

It's a bit muddled either way, pretty sure most illustrations of Raiden's backstory as well as that live action thing they filmed for Rising depicted Solidus as a middle aged man during Liberia. I think this issue is just one of the many problems that comes with MGS2s narrative being taken literally, where these kinds of mysteries and crazy things were designed to be left as such.

 

[AuthenticM]

But 1972 is the earliest possible date Solidus can be born unless they either retcon the LET date given by MGS3 (which doesn't seem to be the case given Eli's appearance and Kaz asking about the sons in Peace Walker) or retcon Solidus being younger than the other two. With the current canon there's no way Solidus can be 20 or older in the 80s.

You're right; I miscalculated. But now that I think about it, why does it have to be the 80s, though ? The First Liberian Civil War lasted from 1989 to 1996. For all we know, Raiden could have fought in it towards its end. So if Solidus was created between 1972 and 1974, he could be in his twenties by 1994, and be Raiden's foster father.

Christ. This series' canon needs some cleaning. I fucking hope Kojima tells the truth when he says that by the end of Phantom Pain, everything will be made clear.

 

[Alienous]

On that note, did you get the feeling that Mantis is with Ocelot, considering the latter is the only other living Metal Gear character with ESP sensitivity?

Sort of.

I feel like following Ground Zeroes Cipher recovers Big Boss' comatose body, leaving Kaz to believe that Snake is dead or kidnapped (explaining why Miller isn't in that same hospital).

I feel like Ocelot is working with Zero, and is sent to rescue Big Boss before XOF kill him (after they discover that he is alive, after nine years, and find his location). Perhaps Mantis also works for Zero, with Ishmael being his psychic influence. After the ambulance crash Snake sees Mantis(?), and Ishmael is nowhere to be seen. Maybe Mantis causes the whale to 'attack' the XOF helicopter, and rescues Snake just before an XOF soldier executes him?

But why is the fire unicorn chasing Snake, then? Hmm. There's a lot that's still confusing.

 

[BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!]

Of all the dumb shit MGS theories I've heard of the years, the random nurse being Eva takes the fucking cake.

But I digress, let me tell you why I think Meryl is in fact Skullface...

 

[Ishida]

Of all the dumb shit MGS theories I've heard of the years, the random nurse being Eva takes the fucking cake.

Older Sunny turned into cyborg being the protagonist of Metal Gear Rising still sits on that throne, brah.

 

[Various Artists]

Of all the dumb shit MGS theories I've heard of the years, the random nurse being Eva takes the fucking cake.

But I digress, let me tell you why I think Meryl is in fact Skullface...

I'm listening. Go on...

 

[Sub_Level]

Of all the dumb shit MGS theories I've heard of the years, the random nurse being Eva takes the fucking cake.

But I digress, let me tell you why I think Meryl is in fact Skullface...

Ever since MGS4 had the Darpa Chief become Sigint and made the MGS3 support team the founding members of the Patriots, 'dumb shit' is no longer an even remotely valid critique. Olga's child at the age of 8 helped create a virus that effectively rendered the control of the Patriot AI moot while still retaining basic societal infrastructure systems.

Everything now goes in this series. Stop living in pre-2008.

 

[Ishida]

Ever since MGS4 had the Darpa Chief become Sigint and made the MGS3 support team the founding members of the Patriots, 'dumb shit' is no longer an even remotely valid critique. Olga's child at the age of 8 helped create a virus that effectively rendered the control of the Patriot AI moot while still retaining basic societal infrastructure systems.

Everything now goes in this series. Stop living in pre-2008.

Metal Gear Solid 4 only confirmed what 3 hinted at from the very beginning. The cast from MGS3 was supposed to become The Patriots from the start. Enough hints and foreshadowing were thrown in 3.

Hell, I knew who those people were going to become before I even finished MGS3.

 

[Alienous]

Of all the dumb shit MGS theories I've heard of the years, the random nurse being Eva takes the fucking cake.

But I digress, let me tell you why I think Meryl is in fact Skullface...

Apparently, despite every game in the series that isn't the very ends of MGS2 and MGS4, this is a series of ridiculous twists.

"Raiden is Ocelot's aunt" is the type of thing people entertain.

 

[Tookay]

MGS2 and 4 really screwed up the fanbase.

It's pretty clear that Skullface is a new character, based on his backstory - not Volgin, not Sokolov, not anybody we know.

It's pretty clear that the medic on the helicopter is not important and the reason he wasn't shown was because he was NOT IMPORTANT.

It's pretty clear that the nurse is not Eva because that's freaking dumb.

And, honestly, it's pretty clear that we play as Big Boss throughout the Phantom Pain - not Grey Fox or Decoy Octopus, just by a matter of simple logic. If Kojima is trying to fill in the gaps of Big Boss' story, having some other impersonator adds way more plotholes (that would have to be resolved in a future title) than it fixes.

Analysis is fun, but the speculation has gotten a little silly. You guys are looking for twists where there are none. It's like none of you remember all the ridiculous theories about MGS3 (it's time travel! it's a simulation that Solid Snake is playing!) that never came to fruition.

 

[Morts]

Metal Gear Solid 4 only confirmed what 3 hinted at from the very beginning. The cast from MGS3 was supposed to become The Patriots from the start. Enough hints and foreshadowing were thrown in 3.

Hell, I knew who those people were going to become before I even finished MGS3.

Examples? I honestly don't recall that foreshadowing.

 

[Salaadin]

Metal Gear Solid 4 only confirmed what 3 hinted at from the very beginning. The cast from MGS3 was supposed to become The Patriots from the start. Enough hints and foreshadowing were thrown in 3.

Hell, I knew who those people were going to become before I even finished MGS3.

Seriously. Sigint is practically confirmed DARPA Chief at the end of MGS 3. I think the only one that's a stretch is Zero because of how out of character it feels.

Random nurse being EVA is a huuuuge stretch. Besides, we know enough about EVA to know that if she's alone in a room with Snake when he wakes up , she's not going to scamper away to tell the doctor. Unless she's undercover! Omg!

 

[Sub_Level]

You're right; I miscalculated. But now that I think about it, why does it have to be the 80s, though ? The First Liberian Civil War lasted from 1989 to 1996. For all we know, Raiden could have fought in it towards its end. So if Solidus was created between 1972 and 1974, he could be in his twenties by 1994, and be Raiden's foster father.

Christ. This series' canon needs some cleaning. I fucking hope Kojima tells the truth when he says that by the end of Phantom Pain, everything will be made clear.

Solidus specifically mentions the 80s when talking to Raiden in Arsenal. But you're right, the war did go beyond the 80s. Even if it was contained to the 80s, a teenage Solidus (who might physically be in his 20s) serving as Raiden's foster father and commanding some sort of unit wouldn't be TOO far fetched.

 

[Rogue Agent]

Neither the doctor or Mantis get special dramatic title cards so I don't see why people are calling her a 'random' nurse either.

I dunno lol It took until playing the actual game until Chico and Paz got title cards, and Chico's was added to the intro we had already seen along with Skull Face and Snake. I wouldn't be surprised if Ishmael gets one added after "You can call me Ishmael" when we play the game.

 

[Sub_Level]

Seriously. Sigint is practically confirmed DARPA Chief at the end of MGS 3. I think the only one that's a stretch is Zero because of how out of character it feels.

Random nurse being EVA is a huuuuge stretch. Besides, we know enough about EVA to know that if she's alone in a room with Snake when he wakes up , she's not going to scamper away to tell the doctor. Unless she's undercover! Omg!

So somehow when playing MGS3 you all came to the conclusion that your goofy save person Paramedic would become a founding member of the dark and powerful Illuminati-esque organization from Sons of Liberty and that Sigint would become the Darpa Chief because "hey two black guys who work for the same organization must be the same character"

but somehow I'm stretching things with the blonde blue-eyed nurse that distinctly looks to be around her 40s.

Ok.

 

[Rogue Agent]

I think she's the one that says "V has come to." As in, "[Big Boss] has come out of his coma." Her Eastern European (?) accent and gear point to her being an XOF agent. Snake reflexively kills her with something flammable upon waking thanks to the presence of nearby Mantis (sent by Ocelot to intercept) but passes out. Soon XOF commandos arrive to kill everyone on site. Snake is woken by "Ishmael", and imprints his actions onto him.

I'm not sure he passes out, he might just be sent flying into the air somehow and misses what happens off camera, but otherwise I think this is spot on about the female being an XOF agent and what happened.

 

[MiamiWesker]

I wanted to join in on the skull face theory. What's the leading theory right now, new character or someone from mgs3? He hates zero and big boss, wants them both dead so that seems to me like its definitely an MGS3 connection. He describes a nuke going off on a research facility, that sounds to me like the nuke volgin shoots out in MGS3.

Now Kojima usually likes to make sure characters tie together no matter what which makes me believe he wouldn't create this mystery just so skull face is someone brand new.

The sokolov stuff seems too crazy, no way that is him.

 

[AndrewDean84xX]

When/ where do we see Mantis? Maybe I haven't seen all the videos.

 

[Rogue Agent]

I wanted to join in on the skull face theory. What's the leading theory right now, new character or someone from mgs3? He hates zero and big boss, wants them both dead so that seems to me like its definitely an MGS3 connection. He describes a nuke going off on a research facility, that sounds to me like the nuke volgin shoots out in MGS3.

When was this said?

 

[Raynes]

Eli is Eva.

 

[Sub_Level]

When/ where do we see Mantis? Maybe I haven't seen all the videos.

Both the E3 and GDC trailers feature what appear to be a young mantis, or at the very least someone who ALSO wears a gas mask and appears to have psychic powers.

 

[Alienous]

If Skully was Volgin there'd be a lightning storm every time he spoke. Kojima doesn't do subtle.

No, he's likely a new character. The talk of reviving a dead character was probably misunderstood. Heck it could apply to remodeling Big Boss or Ocelot.

 

[$200]

I'm starting to suspect Skullface is in fact, Johnny from MGS3. His injury came from the time the base was destroyed by C4 and Shagohod, and hates Big Boss for that, as well as for stabbing him with a fork.

 

[beastmode]

But why is the fire unicorn chasing Snake, then? Hmm. There's a lot that's still confusing.

My theory is that Skull Face's torture and the ethnolinguistic genocide of his people was at the hands of Volgin. XOF's ranks would be primarily recruited from others who belong to lost Eastern Bloc cultures. Fiery Volgin might have been summoned by their fears, instead of Snakes.

The other paranormal stuff:

Spoiler

-Mantis doesn't have much control over his powers and/or The Sorrow could be intervening.

-Whale represents Cipher, both Diamond Dogs & XOF's Moby-Dick, and whom Ocelot still works for.

-The unicorn is the ghost of The Boss's horse.

-The small boy riding with Volgin is Chico.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Both the E3 and GDC trailers feature what appear to be a young mantis, or at the very least someone who ALSO wears a gas mask and appears to have psychic powers.

Also first appeared in the original VGA trailer.

Probably turns out to be Chico as he's the only character who doesn't need the use of his legs

 

[cackhyena]

-The small boy riding with Volgin is Chico.[/SPOILER]

Wouldn't he be a good bit older/bigger?

 

[Sub_Level]

I wanted to join in on the skull face theory. What's the leading theory right now, new character or someone from mgs3? He hates zero and big boss, wants them both dead so that seems to me like its definitely an MGS3 connection. He describes a nuke going off on a research facility, that sounds to me like the nuke volgin shoots out in MGS3.

Now Kojima usually likes to make sure characters tie together no matter what which makes me believe he wouldn't create this mystery just so skull face is someone brand new.

The sokolov stuff seems too crazy, no way that is him.

From the tapes, he

- goes "way back" with Big Boss
- "broke away" from "the group" (appears to be referencing Cipher)
- has had the burnt face since a young age

The last point in particular invalidates a LOT of theorized characers.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Wouldn't he be a good bit older/bigger?

He's meant to have stunted growth from malnourishment, so it's hard to say how big he'd get. I'd prefer just to think of him as Mantis for now.

 

[Rogue Agent]

Wouldn't he be a good bit older/bigger?

I think he means as a phantom.

 

[SJRB]

Why does every character have to be a character from previous games? Can't a nurse just be a nurse? And what about the doctor? Or the patient in the hospital who gets shot in the head point-blank when Big Boss is hiding under the bed? And the medic in the chopper?

If the nurse was EVA you think Big Boss would just leave her there to die in that hospital while he rides off into the night with Ocelot? Come on guys.

 

[Salaadin]

So somehow when playing MGS3 you all came to the conclusion that your goofy save person Paramedic would become a founding member of the dark and powerful Illuminati-esque organization from Sons of Liberty and that Sigint would become the Darpa Chief because "hey two black guys who work for the same organization must be the same character"

but somehow I'm stretching things with the blonde blue-eyed nurse that distinctly looks to be around her 40s.

Ok.

I didnt. But when all of this was revealed in MGS4, I didnt exactly sit back and say "Well golly george! I didnt see that one coming!" It felt normal to me.

Picking a "random nurse" that we know absolutely nothing about and saying that shes EVA because shes middle-aged, blonde, has blue eyes, and is caring for Snake is a stretch right now...even if you end up being correct. Your speculation is based on the smallest amount of information that its hard to even call it information. Thats why its amusing to a lot of us...because it feels as though its plucked from thin air just because.

I seriously hope you end up being right.

 

[Alienous]

He's meant to have stunted growth from malnourishment, so it's hard to say how big he'd get.

Big enough to make room for an entire bomb, amirite?

I'll show myself out.

 

[Sub_Level]

Why does every character have to be a character from previous games? Can't a nurse just be a nurse? And what about the doctor? Or the patient in the hospital who gets shot in the head point-blank when Big Boss is hiding under the bed? And the medic in the chopper?

If the nurse was EVA you think Big Boss would just leave her there to die in that hospital while he rides off into the night with Ocelot? Come on guys.

It's possible that she fled on her own along with the doctor? Big Boss is in no shape to rescue anyone at that point.

@Salaadin not knowing anything about her works both ways in this speculation. We don't know and also don't not know lol

 

[AgentLampshade]

I'm subscribing to the "Skull Face is an old FOX unit member" theory. At the very least it'd give him some inspiration for the XOF motif. Big Boss and Zero probably betrayed him in some way, probably something to do with the Legacy.

 

[Alienous]

It's possible that she fled on her own along with the doctor? Big Boss is in no shape to rescue anyone at that point.

We really don't know enough to say, it's becoming quickly apparent.

I can't think of a logical sequence of events.

I'm subscribing to the "Skull Face is an old FOX unit member" theory. At the very least it'd give him some inspiration for the XOF motif. Big Boss and Zero probably betrayed him in some way, probably something to do with the Legacy.

I'm expecting something like Skyfall, also. Perhaps earlier in Snake's FOX career? A comrade abandoned, with Zero's consent? It'd explain Skull Face wanting Zero dead.

But why dies Skull Face get orders, "by proxy", from Zero? Does Zero know who Skull Face is, and that he's alive? Are the orders delivered by AI, and just happened to come to Skull Face?