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[dwells]

With Sony taking a step back with the 950, is there any clear cut best gaming TV for 2014 yet?

I haven't seen one yet, but there is one model that I'm holding out hope for. That said, I'm kind of picky.

So far I've owned a couple Panasonic UT50s and an S64 and returned them all due to various issues (buzzing, dithering, posterization, line bleed). I tried the VT60 which everyone loves but it still exhibited line bleed that was too much for me to ignore, and I'm a plasma fan who's used to the tech and its flaws.

Disappointed with 2013 lineup of Panny plasmas (and final lineup they'll make), I realized my only option was to go to LCD. I picked up the Sony W900A, which is also raved about as a great gaming PC. I noticed dark edges on the left and right of the picture on two different sets I owned. Perhaps it's to compensate for the edge lighting, but it was annoying and the overall picture was too soft and underwhelming compared to my standards as a plasma fan.

I'm currently holding out for the new Vizio P Series. I would have never believed that I'd ever be interested in buying a Vizio, but the specs they revealed look unreal. Not so much the 4K, that's not a big factor. But it's backlit with full array local dimming, has high end processors and presumably low input lag, accepts 120Hz PC inputs, etc.

 

[ArchAngel]

Got my w905a some days ago, but man, this TV is soooo good. Watched some movies on it and I'm still impressed with the black level. And gaming ... dat Infamous ... das no input lag! Happy I got it before it disappears from stores here.

 

[mitchman]

I heard that the PC mode might limit your image calibration options, is that true? Do you know if that pertains only to user-accessible settings or if an ISF calibration would be similarly gimped?

Well, if you use PC settings, you're likely to want as little post-processing as possible to reduce input lag, so the TV will not apply any calibration settings. I run my Samsung 65" F9005 and the PS4 on the DVI PC input, and the picture quality is noticeable worse than the calibrated input I use for movies etc. But the input lag is cut more than in half. Still a tad high at around 60ms, but I can live with it.

 

[FrankNitty]

Not much if anything at all.

The Pioneer KRP had external boxes too and they had excellent input lag.

What region? I have a 500M and it doesnt have an external box

 

[Lima]

What region? I have a 500M and it doesnt have an external box

Germany.

My KRP 600a had an external box.

 

[lostinblue]

I am looking specifically for a ~$400 set for gaming. The bigger the better but also worried about input lag. What models should I look at?

Sony 40W600B.

Seems like your better option; "if" it delivers, that is.


Sorry, I have no lower priced suggestions.

So far I've owned a couple Panasonic UT50s and an S64 and returned them all (...) I tried the VT60 which everyone loves (...) I picked up the Sony W900A (...)

I'm currently holding out for the new Vizio P Series.

I think you're in for something.

But it's not satisfaction, no. (judging by what you just wrote I believe that's an impossibility, specially taking into account it's a vizio)

 

[ethomaz]

I had a PLASMA D8000 Samsumg today, it is a crazy good HDTV with a superb image but I'm not that happy with the imput lag close to 50ms.

Which HDTVs GAFers recommends with great input lag?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Well, if you use PC settings, you're likely to want as little post-processing as possible to reduce input lag, so the TV will not apply any calibration settings. I run my Samsung 65" F9005 and the PS4 on the DVI PC input, and the picture quality is noticeable worse than the calibrated input I use for movies etc. But the input lag is cut more than in half. Still a tad high at around 60ms, but I can live with it.

This is why I'm glad the Panasonic plasmas don't disable all image settings in Game mode. In fact my VT60 looks the same in Game mode as my CNET settings Cinema mode. If the picture had to look like shit to play games I would just return the TV.

 

[TheCanisDirus]

This is why I'm glad the Panasonic plasmas don't disable all image settings in Game mode. In fact my VT60 looks the same in Game mode as my CNET settings Cinema mode. If the picture had to look like shit to play games I would just return the TV.

Yes. I don't know what the hell i'm going to do when my Pany plasma dies.

 

[Lima]

This is why I'm glad the Panasonic plasmas don't disable all image settings in Game mode. In fact my VT60 looks the same in Game mode as my CNET settings Cinema mode. If the picture had to look like shit to play games I would just return the TV.

One of the reasons I upgraded from the VT50 to the VT60. The game mode on the VT50 looks horrible with the skewed gamma and heavy dithering.

 

[Tathanen]

Well, if you use PC settings, you're likely to want as little post-processing as possible to reduce input lag, so the TV will not apply any calibration settings. I run my Samsung 65" F9005 and the PS4 on the DVI PC input, and the picture quality is noticeable worse than the calibrated input I use for movies etc. But the input lag is cut more than in half. Still a tad high at around 60ms, but I can live with it.

This is why I'm glad the Panasonic plasmas don't disable all image settings in Game mode. In fact my VT60 looks the same in Game mode as my CNET settings Cinema mode. If the picture had to look like shit to play games I would just return the TV.

God damn it I'm not gonna buy a fucking F8500 if I have to put it in "look like shit" mode in order to have acceptable input response. Are you kidding me with this shit, Samsung?

Am I literally just completely shit out of luck for buying a new TV for my house?

 

[mitchman]

This is why I'm glad the Panasonic plasmas don't disable all image settings in Game mode. In fact my VT60 looks the same in Game mode as my CNET settings Cinema mode. If the picture had to look like shit to play games I would just return the TV.

This is a 4k TV, though, and the image is slightly softer in game mode. Less processing and sharpening during upscaling, I bet. Not a big issue for me.

God damn it I'm not gonna buy a fucking F8500 if I have to put it in "look like shit" mode in order to have acceptable input response. Are you kidding me with this shit, Samsung?

Am I literally just completely shit out of luck for buying a new TV for my house?

F8500 is not 4k though, is it? So it probably won't be the same.

 

[Tathanen]

This is a 4k TV, though, and the image is slightly softer in game mode. Less processing and sharpening during upscaling, I bet. Not a big issue for me.

F8500 is not 4k though, is it? So it probably won't be the same.

F8500 is what I was originally talking about, looks like the replies were about it as well?

[Edit] Oh you start talking about a different set in your first reply, I see it now. It's the same thing I read elsewhere though about the F8500, that you lose picture options in PC mode.


Somewhat related, saw this in a review:

Of course a big screen, expensive TV like the PS64F8500 probably isn’t the ideal choice for a gamer anyway

What is this gibberish? Gamers only use cheap tiny TVs?

 

[AlimNassor]

40-50 is tiny now? Wow, you guys must have giant ass rooms.

 

[Tathanen]

40-50 is tiny now? Wow, you guys must have giant ass rooms.

Naw, I'm just curious why they'd imply a gamer wouldn't want a particularly huge TV. I sure do!

 

[Mairu]

Sony 40W600B.

Seems like your better option; "if" it delivers, that is.


Sorry, I have no lower priced suggestions.I think you're in for something.

But it's not satisfaction, no. (judging by what you just wrote I believe that's an impossibility, specially taking into account it's a vizio)

I've been looking into getting a new TV soon and this one looks pretty good. There's no reviews anywhere for it yet are there? I haven't been able to find anything.

 

[lostinblue]

I've been looking into getting a new TV soon and this one looks pretty good. There's no reviews anywhere for it yet are there? I haven't been able to find anything.

Not yet, but W650A's were very very good albeit US got screwed over by only getting the inferior 32 inch version. 42" and 50" versions being clearly different, better.

This year PAL-lands are getting W700B which are every bit as good as W650A's and US is getting these (and also the W600B, but we haven't got solid details about those yet); they are therefore a question mark, but worst case scenario they're like the 32 inch model I just deemed as inferior. Which is not so bad taking into account Samsung's and LG's seem to be getting worse at input lag, and Samsung entry products are ridden by panel lottery nonsense.

Best case scenario... Well, they could basically be W700B's of some sort, I don't know what they stripped down though. And then again, US and PAL models could be entirely different too, wouldn't be a first and there are signs pointing that way seeing PAL/European W600B/W700B lack motionflow altogether while the US variants have the 240 Hz implementation.

Shouldn't suck, should be VA Panel-based and Edge Lit. But Sony pulled W950A's this year (and they suck) so one has to be cautious to a fault too.

 

[dwells]

But it's not satisfaction, no. (judging by what you just wrote I believe that's an impossibility, specially taking into account it's a vizio)

I'm skeptical, but the P series specs and the way Vizio presented them makes it seem like they're actually very serious about enthusiasts and picture quality now. They seem to be the exception to the rule in a market that has been doing away with enthusiast features in favor of making cheaper and thinner TVs aimed at the mass market who know very little about TVs and picture quality.

Just look at all the stupid marketing fluff with fake refresh rates and those god awful motion smoothing processors that ruin the cinematic feel of 23.976 FPS. Or how Sony's W900A, the "replacement" for the HX950, did away with backlighting for edge lighting and was ultimately an inferior TV.

Meanwhile, Vizio's page for the P Series has features and descriptions that are clearly targeted at enthusiasts that know televisions. They're making a real effort to reach out to people who know TVs, and I'm thinking I have to give them a chance.

 

[HarryKS]

I have this tv in a 51"

if you put it on pc mode the lag is much less reduced. Definitely noticable when not on PC mode, but i game just fine with it on pc mode.

Thank you for this information. How would you say the PC mode looks? Does the picture quality take a noticeable hit?

 

[GD71]

Just to chime into this thread - I've had my 55" Sony 905A since December and love it. I do find that blacks are not as completely black as my old X4500 but everything else is much better. I'd certainly recommend this set to any gamer.

 

[FrankNitty]

I'm skeptical, but the P series specs and the way Vizio presented them makes it seem like they're actually very serious about enthusiasts and picture quality now. They seem to be the exception to the rule in a market that has been doing away with enthusiast features in favor of making cheaper and thinner TVs aimed at the mass market who know very little about TVs and picture quality.

Just look at all the stupid marketing fluff with fake refresh rates and those god awful motion smoothing processors that ruin the cinematic feel of 23.976 FPS. Or how Sony's W900A, the "replacement" for the HX950, did away with backlighting for edge lighting and was ultimately an inferior TV.

Meanwhile, Vizio's page for the P Series has features and descriptions that are clearly targeted at enthusiasts that know televisions. They're making a real effort to reach out to people who know TVs, and I'm thinking I have to give them a chance.

Yeah did you see the specs on their Reference Series? has like 368 local dimming zone or something crazy like that. Hell even panasonics AX900 will only have 128 or so.

I would definitely save my judgement on them until all are out because it always comes down to model not manufacture. Though they do look like they are serious. I mean why not. They see us buying 4 and 5k TV's I'm sure they want a piece of that pie.

 

[TheBear]

How is the panasonic st60 for gaming? I currently have a 58' series 7 ps58c7000 Samsung plasma which has the dreaded pink band. Would this be an upgrade?

I've read a lot of reports about it's input lag. Would it be markedly different from the TV I have now? I've never noticed it before

What about the S60? It only has 2 HDMI inputs which sucks. I need at least 3. Any options there?

 

[Cuburt]

Anyone have any experience with the S990A?

The isn't much in the way of reviews or anything about it online but it seems comparable to the W900a and the W850a from what I can tell.

 

[LegoDad]

Anyone have any experience with the S990A?

The isn't much in the way of reviews or anything about it online but it seems comparable to the W900a and the W850a from what I can tell.

I don't have any experience but by looking at the specs it is similar to a 900a with a few differences. It's a curved LED, and the Motionflow rate is half of the w900a.

 

[Cuburt]

I don't have any experience but by looking at the specs it is similar to a 900a with a few differences. It's a curved LED, and the Motionflow rate is half of the w900a.

Yeah, I'd rather get the 65" than the 55" due to the size of my room. I think I'd prefer a LED LCD over a Plasma at this point, but at that size I have less options for low input lag but high picture quality.

I'm close to pulling the trigger on a purchase of the S990A since it seems to have most of what I want and the compromises I can live with, but I have little real world experience to go off of, so that's what I'm looking for especially since apparently, they've aren't widely carried in stores to check out a display model.

 

[gatti-man]

Yeah did you see the specs on their Reference Series? has like 368 local dimming zone or something crazy like that. Hell even panasonics AX900 will only have 128 or so.

I would definitely save my judgement on them until all are out because it always comes down to model not manufacture. Though they do look like they are serious. I mean why not. They see us buying 4 and 5k TV's I'm sure they want a piece of that pie.

Vizio doesn't even have a proper warranty and service network. They are not serious. Why on earth anyone would buy a 2-4k vizio is beyond me when they have a garbage reputation for repair and service.

Full array local dimming is the future of lcd but look at the huge price disparity between the Vizio and Panasonic. Panasonic is claiming better than plasma black performance but their pricing is double the vizio. I really truly would not recommend vizio unless you are ok with throwing out your 2-4k investment after the 12 month warranty.

 

[Artakartel]

Yeah did you see the specs on their Reference Series? has like 368 local dimming zone or something crazy like that. Hell even panasonics AX900 will only have 128 or so.

I would definitely save my judgement on them until all are out because it always comes down to model not manufacture. Though they do look like they are serious. I mean why not. They see us buying 4 and 5k TV's I'm sure they want a piece of that pie.

Yeah I've been waiting to see reviews on the Vizio and LG tvs since CES, think I'm getting one of them for sure. Damn thought they would be out by now already.

 

[luokyl]

How is the panasonic st60 for gaming? I currently have a 58' series 7 ps58c7000 Samsung plasma which has the dreaded pink band. Would this be an upgrade?

I've read a lot of reports about it's input lag. Would it be markedly different from the TV I have now? I've never noticed it before

Now this is an interesting point of discussion. I know there's people on the Whirlpool forums who claim that they don't notice the input lag at all, while people on AVSforums have started petitions asking Panasonic to "fix" the input lag.

I own a 65 inch ST60, and I don't use it for gaming at the moment, but I'd fully consider it if I were to buy a PS4 in the future. Having said that, even with game mode on the input lag is definitely noticeable when I'm playing something twitchy like a shmup. It's something I can adapt to fairly easily, and given the value for money for the quality of the screen I frankly don't care.

If that doesn't help you, the amount of people on GAF getting the VT60 and w900 over the ST60 should tell you that if you foresee yourself getting bothered by input lag, consider getting something else.

 

[CrashPrime]

How is the panasonic st60 for gaming? I currently have a 58' series 7 ps58c7000 Samsung plasma which has the dreaded pink band. Would this be an upgrade?

I've read a lot of reports about it's input lag. Would it be markedly different from the TV I have now? I've never noticed it before

What about the S60? It only has 2 HDMI inputs which sucks. I need at least 3. Any options there?

Where can you even get those TVs anymore?

 

[TheBear]

If that doesn't help you, the amount of people on GAF getting the VT60 and w900 over the ST60 should tell you that if you foresee yourself getting bothered by input lag, consider getting something else.

I can't seem to find any display lag info on my Samsung, but input lag has never bothered me. However I have noticed I've been missing a few inputs on DKCTF, but figured I was just shit. Perhaps it's input lag?

There's a few available in Australia, going for about $1600 which is very cheap.

 

[FrankNitty]

Vizio doesn't even have a proper warranty and service network. They are not serious. Why on earth anyone would buy a 2-4k vizio is beyond me when they have a garbage reputation for repair and service.

Full array local dimming is the future of lcd but look at the huge price disparity between the Vizio and Panasonic. Panasonic is claiming better than plasma black performance but their pricing is double the vizio. I really truly would not recommend vizio unless you are ok with throwing out your 2-4k investment after the 12 month warranty.

That's kind of the problem. based on their previous performance not many people would consider them but I don't shop by manufacture I shop by model number and performance. True manufacture will play some part in it but really I mean it comes down to performance of that particular model. Just because something is made by Panasonic, Samsung, etc doesn't mean it won't be a piece of shit. Remember those Samsungs that had bad boards in the E series LED's, or the Samsungs that had the peeling AR filter?

I personally do not like anything that vizio has put out but to ignore the buzz their reference series generated at CES and considering that it is FALD with that many zones is just silly to automatically count it out until you actually see it.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Vizio uses the B-grade panels that LG Display manufactures and throws out. If you're okay with that, then get yourself a Vizio. But LG keeps their good Tier 1 panels for their own TVs and other companies who actually pay top dollar. Vizio buys the Tier 2 and worse panels that no one else wants.

 

[SeanTSC]

How is the panasonic st60 for gaming? I currently have a 58' series 7 ps58c7000 Samsung plasma which has the dreaded pink band. Would this be an upgrade?

I've read a lot of reports about it's input lag. Would it be markedly different from the TV I have now? I've never noticed it before

What about the S60? It only has 2 HDMI inputs which sucks. I need at least 3. Any options there?

I've had my 60" ST60 since it was released last year. I currently have 6263 hours on it and I'm a pretty avid gamer. I bought 8 games this month alone (South Park, Infamous, FFX/X-2HD, Dark Souls 2, Atelier Escha & Logy, MGSV Ground Zeroes, Dynasty Warriors 8 XL CE, The Witch and the Hundred Kight).

I personally have never noticed the input lag at all and have had no issue with it what so ever. Everything feels smooth and response no matter what genre of game I play. Shooters, Action Games, RPGs, doesn't matter. I even had no problems with the attack timing in South Park. I think that the lag on it is really misrepresented and overblown quite a bit. Maybe it hasn't been measured properly, I don't know. I just know that I've never felt it myself and I have put a ton of time into gaming on it and games look absolutely gorgeous on it (especially colorful stuff).

I also run everything through an Onkyo receiver and all of the audio has been perfectly synced with the image on the TV without putting in a delay adjustment.

If you have concerns I think the best thing to do would be to somehow find one you can set up a game system to and test it out yourself. That's really the only way to be sure.

 

[TheBear]

I've had my 60" ST60 since it was released last year. I currently have 6263 hours on it and I'm a pretty avid gamer. I bought 8 games this month alone (South Park, Infamous, FFX/X-2HD, Dark Souls 2, Atelier Escha & Logy, MGSV Ground Zeroes, Dynasty Warriors 8 XL CE, The Witch and the Hundred Kight).

I personally have never noticed the input lag at all and have had no issue with it what so ever. Everything feels smooth and response no matter what genre of game I play. Shooters, Action Games, RPGs, doesn't matter. I even had no problems with the attack timing in South Park. I think that the lag on it is really misrepresented and overblown quite a bit. Maybe it hasn't been measured properly, I don't know. I just know that I've never felt it myself and I have put a ton of time into gaming on it and games look absolutely gorgeous on it (especially colorful stuff).

I also run everything through an Onkyo receiver and all of the audio has been perfectly synced with the image on the TV without putting in a delay adjustment.

If you have concerns I think the best thing to do would be to somehow find one you can set up a game system to and test it out yourself. That's really the only way to be sure.

Thanks for that. I think it's one of those things that a bit overblown. Would be good if i could get the data on the 58C7000 for a point of reference.

 

[Dead]

That's kind of the problem. based on their previous performance not many people would consider them but I don't shop by manufacture I shop by model number and performance. True manufacture will play some part in it but really I mean it comes down to performance of that particular model. Just because something is made by Panasonic, Samsung, etc doesn't mean it won't be a piece of shit. Remember those Samsungs that had bad boards in the E series LED's, or the Samsungs that had the peeling AR filter?

I personally do not like anything that vizio has put out but to ignore the buzz their reference series generated at CES and considering that it is FALD with that many zones is just silly to automatically count it out until you actually see it.

They've yet to make anything that isn't a piece of shit in my eyes for sure, but I've spoken to a few people who were at ces who insisted not to believe the hype regarding the vizio sets as well. Personally I don't believe these sets will be anything more than the usual race to the bottom bullshit tier TVs that the company is known for. We'll see I suppose.

 

[dwells]

How is the panasonic st60 for gaming? I currently have a 58' series 7 ps58c7000 Samsung plasma which has the dreaded pink band. Would this be an upgrade?

I've read a lot of reports about it's input lag. Would it be markedly different from the TV I have now? I've never noticed it before

What about the S60? It only has 2 HDMI inputs which sucks. I need at least 3. Any options there?

The ST60 is a good looking TV, but for me the line bleed was more than I was willing to put up with. The input lag has been measured as high as 75ms, which I would personally consider way too high for gaming. I would try to stay under 33ms (two frames at 60Hz).

Vizio doesn't even have a proper warranty and service network. They are not serious. Why on earth anyone would buy a 2-4k vizio is beyond me when they have a garbage reputation for repair and service.

Full array local dimming is the future of lcd but look at the huge price disparity between the Vizio and Panasonic. Panasonic is claiming better than plasma black performance but their pricing is double the vizio. I really truly would not recommend vizio unless you are ok with throwing out your 2-4k investment after the 12 month warranty.

Panasonic has been claiming that their LCDs can perform as well as plasma for years now, and it's been a lie every time. I couple years ago they got busted at CES for having their display rigged with the plasma panels having improper settings to make the LCDs look better.

As for warranties, that's solvable by buying with an Amex or from Costco or picking up a cheap SquareTrade plan. And let's not pretend other manufacturers are great. I was a big Panasonic fan for a while (still swear by the VT25), but their customer service is horrible. Then there's Samsung, who I've had to deal with for work getting patient tracking board displays replaced, and even their corporate support is absolutely awful.

They've yet to make anything that isn't a piece of shit in my eyes for sure, but I've spoken to a few people who were at ces who insisted not to believe the hype regarding the vizio sets as well. Personally I don't believe these sets will be anything more than the usual race to the bottom bullshit tier TVs that the company is known for. We'll see I suppose.

Vizio's been moving upmarket for a decent amount of time now. Last year's M Series lineup was actually a pretty good display that reviewed well and offered a lot for the money. It's not a high enough quality display to be something I'd purchase, but it shows they're making progress.

Believe me, as I mentioned before, I'm very picky when it comes to TV. If you told me a couple years ago I'd be defending Vizio I would have just laughed. But given their specs and showing at CES, the initial eyes-on reports I read, and their clear targeting of enthusiasts, I think I owe it to them to pay some attention.

 

[gatti-man]

That's kind of the problem. based on their previous performance not many people would consider them but I don't shop by manufacture I shop by model number and performance. True manufacture will play some part in it but really I mean it comes down to performance of that particular model. Just because something is made by Panasonic, Samsung, etc doesn't mean it won't be a piece of shit. Remember those Samsungs that had bad boards in the E series LED's, or the Samsungs that had the peeling AR filter?

I personally do not like anything that vizio has put out but to ignore the buzz their reference series generated at CES and considering that it is FALD with that many zones is just silly to automatically count it out until you actually see it.

I'm not ignoring them but even if it had the best pq I'm not buying. I will never buy a 3k+ item that is non repairable. My elite Kuro is 6 years old and still going strong but I would never have bought it if there was a possibility of it being non repairable.

 

[FrankNitty]

Believe me, as I mentioned before, I'm very picky when it comes to TV. If you told me a couple years ago I'd be defending Vizio I would have just laughed. But given their specs and showing at CES, the initial eyes-on reports I read, and their clear targeting of enthusiasts, I think I owe it to them to pay some attention.

This is pretty much where I am. Would I run out in buy one no I would be very skeptical but considering I love good PQ and I'm an enthusiast in regards to my displays, i would at least give it a look and not automatically shun them as I do now.

That being said I also upgrade displays at least every one or 2 years.

Hell I went from 800U > LH90 > 500M (still own it office display) > VT25 > VT30 (still own it bedroom display) > ZT60 (current living room display)

I'm looking to get rid of my VT30 so I can move the ZT into bedroom lol...so I'm looking at this years offerings pretty closely

 

[Dr. Zoidberg]

Vizio uses the B-grade panels that LG Display manufactures and throws out. If you're okay with that, then get yourself a Vizio. But LG keeps their good Tier 1 panels for their own TVs and other companies who actually pay top dollar. Vizio buys the Tier 2 and worse panels that no one else wants.

Source for this info?

If LG keeps the good panels then Vizio's must be awful because LG's panels are shit. I've tried many LG Televisions in the past two years and the banding/irregularity/DSE was awful on every single one. On the other hand, my parents have a Vizio they bought a few years back and it's pretty even by comparison.

 

[CrashPrime]

Vizio uses the B-grade panels that LG Display manufactures and throws out. If you're okay with that, then get yourself a Vizio. But LG keeps their good Tier 1 panels for their own TVs and other companies who actually pay top dollar. Vizio buys the Tier 2 and worse panels that no one else wants.

What is your source on this information?

 

[sladeums]

Received my Panasonic 50S60 this weekend that I ordered from Amazon Warehouse Deals.
So glad I was able to pick this up.
I had originally crossed this set off my list in October of last year after seeing it in a Best Buy store, where it looked shockingly horrendous.
I now see they obviously just had fucked settings because this thing looks pretty great.

I was so close to settling and putting out ~$1200 for an LCD ... so so stoked I was able to get this instead at almost 1/2 that price.

Also glad to be able to quit shopping for sets now.

 

[kanuuna]

I've been playing a bit of Second Son now, and the HUD kind of worries me playing on the ZT. I really wish they had included those transparency options from the previous games.
Ground Zeroes looks gorgeous though, and I'm glad that one has the option to only show weapons indicator when you're using one.

Now, I've had this TV for quite some time, but I'm still not sure if the linebleeding I see on occasion is normal for a plasma or not (ZT being my first and likely last set since the production is slowing down). It tends to show up with subtitles, text and square shaped objects (usually any kind of straight line) on solid backgrounds. It's a hint distracting, and on occasion, I can see it in some scenes if I stand still in a game - an example being when I found myself in an armory playing GZ, the shelves cast some linebleeding across the screen.

 

[Lima]

Line bleeding is normal.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

I started a thread in OT about Panasonic's announcement that they're shooting for Fall 2014 for the AX900: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=791006

I missed out on picking up a VT or ZT when they ended production because I was still looking for work. Now that I'm employed again, I can maybe look at upgrading my 10 year old Panasonic 720p LCD towards the end of the year. What would be the best options towards the end of the year given plasmas aren't going to be a real option?

 

[geordiemp]

Looking for a new TV

Caught between Sony 46W905 (If I can still get one) and the new 50W829

Both seem good with low input lag < 20 ms, which is ideal for gaming

What do you guys think between the 2 ?

 

[lostinblue]

^ Go with the W905A without blinking an eye

 

[Raphael]

Guys, can get either for quite cheap - same price.Which one is the better choice:

LG 47la660
or
SAMSUNG 46f6770

Help.

 

[Ultratech]

Was wondering people's opinion on this:
LC-42LB150U

Seems like a pretty good deal and has quite a few ports for Component, Composite and HDMI.
But I wanted to see what other people thought about it before I go and do anything.
Didn't find anything on input lag or the like on it.

 

[geordiemp]

^ Go with the W905A without blinking an eye

Why, they both got 800 Hz motion flow option and similar Game response.

Difference seems to be 905 has the tri-luminance or whatever its called, but 829 is bigger and sony QA has improved so no banding and better panel consistency...

46W905A is £ 950 and 50W829 is £ 850

 

[WhiskeyKnight]

Excuse my ignorance on this subject, but has any company started making OLED televisions yet? A couple of years ago that was the wave of the future...