Why is racism in high fashion still wildly accepted?

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Rookje said:
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lol, I think mac brought that one up
 
theignoramus said:
we were discussing the impact of fashion industry racial bias, which you were casually indifferent (or ignorant) about. Now you want to shift the discussion to solutions and posit that more racial diversity doesnt benefit these industries in any way, therefore it's absurd to demand it. Okay. I would counter that argument with the idea that more racial diversity wouldnt harm them in any meaningful way because models with Caucasian features would continue being the most prominently featured models
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Do you look at a fashion magazine for the color of the skin the models feature, or for the clothing and trends that are en vogue and are being predicted for the immediate future?

You claim I'm indifferent or ignorant to race, and casually to boot. I only focus on what the interest would be for me, which is cost, style, benefit, and longevity. Do I believe fashion has a moral imperative to push diversity in it's models? Yes and No, because models doesn't sell products, good technology sells products. Innovation sells products. Competitive advantage sells products. Fashion houses are still businesses at the end of the day and they exist because people find a need or want for them. When the Abercrombie & Fitch CEO came out saying that they only want "certain" people buying their products, I understood that meant social climbers. A statement like that can be interpreted in many different ways, race being included. Fact is, I didn't agree with his statement and I haven't given their fashion house, The Limited, any money towards any products since. I believe that your dollar can keep a company in check from make asinine statements like that.

Enzom21 said:
So anything less than Nazis and the KKK isn't really racist?

Well that kind of explains your "assumptions" about black people wearing "streetwear."
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Foot in mouth, yeah I made a bad assumption.
 
Valhelm said:
AFAIK the United States is closer to 70% white, if you count all Hispanic people as non-white, as you seem to be doing.

Video games are well over 80% white. If you look at non-customizable videogame protagonists, almost all are white men. I can't think of any games where you don't play as a white person except for GTA: San Andreas and Mirror's Edge. Most videogame protagonists of color are part of a team, such as Coach and Rochelle in Left 4 Dead 2. The games industry is probably the most conservative when it comes to diversity.
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Off the top of my head.

Starhawk (black)
Crackdown (black)
Sleeping Dogs (Chinese)
AC Vita (black woman)
GTA V (black for 1/3 of the playable characters)

Not very many.
 
It's weird how the games industry is essentially ignoring the enormous amount of players of color. Wouldn't they make more money by selling more games with a non-white protagonist?
 
Valhelm said:
It's weird how the games industry is essentially ignoring the enormous amount of players of color. Wouldn't they make more money by selling more games with a non-white protagonist?
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Yes but there aren't enough points on that graph to draw a regression.
 
Outtrigger888 said:
This shit is everywhere. I'm white and I'm offended by BET. Feels racist to me, I also remember Jamie fox accepting an award and say black people are the best race or some shit and that bothered me.
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Bothered you soooooo much that you can't remember exactly what he said or even be bothered to google it really quick.
 
daviyoung said:
why is fashion widely accepted?
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Came here to say this. The world would be better off if there was no fashion industry and everyone just wore basic cheap comfortable clothes. The fashion industry is run by terrible people. Just get rid of the whole thing.
 
Valnen said:
Came here to say this. The world would be better off if there was no fashion industry and everyone just wore basic cheap comfortable clothes. The fashion industry is run by terrible people. Just get rid of the whole thing.
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Valhelm said:
It's weird how the games industry is essentially ignoring the enormous amount of players of color. Wouldn't they make more money by selling more games with a non-white protagonist?
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Because, majority of games industry based in white/western countries, created by white/western developers, for a majority white/western audience. Not that hard to understand. As a consequence of growing up and being part of such an industry, non-white players are "conditioned" to playing as white protagonists. Whereas white players tend to have slightly more trouble relating to non-white protagonists. Just look at the old San Andreas threads.

Now of course that is not always the case, but it's simple business. It's easier to accept the gruff white bald marine as the hero, as opposed to the Asian guy. Even look at a game like Mass Effect. BioWare found that only 18% of gamers ever chose to play as a femShep, in both Mass Effect 2 and 3.

So the question becomes when they're making tons of money with the status quo, why would they change it? Even when they try and make non-white protagonists, they make them as "westernized" and non-threatening as possible.
 
Valnen said:
Came here to say this. The world would be better off if there was no fashion industry and everyone just wore basic cheap comfortable clothes. The fashion industry is run by terrible people. Just get rid of the whole thing.
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I have just the place for you

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Valnen said:
Came here to say this. The world would be better off if there was no fashion industry and everyone just wore basic cheap comfortable clothes. The fashion industry is run by terrible people. Just get rid of the whole thing.
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Fashion is aesthetics, and a highly conceptual expression of the human mind. I would say even more complex than mathematical thinking.

And wow this thread is a graveyard.
 
terrisus said:
Racism, body image issues, that thread a couple of weeks back about people at the photo shoots being exploited for sex... Why does anyone even give money to these things?
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I'm going to guess that the people that such things cater to don't look into some of these topics (or anything for that matter) too deeply.
 
BocoDragon said:
Are white people only attracted to white people? Obviously not.

But there may be something in that fashion world that is regressive. Maybe the love of being a fashion designer is based upon a fetishization of the current world of fashion, and as such, it rarely changes. It all still looks a little bit like its still trying to be 1930s French culture, or whatever.



It's even creepier that it's happened to entirely non-white cultures. There are cultures who have learned to depreciate their own features.
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I'm a member on OKCupid and the number of white people who admit to having a preference for their own race has been surprising to me.
 
In m experiences friends of other race hate when white people try to make a big deal out of anything that is "white only."

Basically 'faux liberal' stuff.
 
DoktorEvil said:
Do you look at a fashion magazine for the color of the skin the models feature, or for the clothing and trends that are en vogue and are being predicted for the immediate future?

You claim I'm indifferent or ignorant to race, and casually to boot. I only focus on what the interest would be for me, which is cost, style, benefit, and longevity. Do I believe fashion has a moral imperative to push diversity in it's models? Yes and No, because models doesn't sell products, good technology sells products. Innovation sells products. Competitive advantage sells products. Fashion houses are still businesses at the end of the day and they exist because people find a need or want for them. When the Abercrombie & Fitch CEO came out saying that they only want "certain" people buying their products, I understood that meant social climbers. A statement like that can be interpreted in many different ways, race being included. Fact is, I didn't agree with his statement and I haven't given their fashion house, The Limited, any money towards any products since. I believe that your dollar can keep a company in check from make asinine statements like that.
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If models did not matter there would not be so many who are highly paid. Models do sell products. On the most basic level they effect the brands image. On a social level they shape how people view beauty or luxury which typically means fair skinned.

Edit: Black Americans also have a long history with European luxury clothing and high fashion. Though the amount able to purchase them were low since the 20th Century there has been a steady stream of blacks who love high fashion design. And, the number is growing. IIRC, around 50 years ago Ebony made a big push for black women, and men, to become interested in high-end clothing at the time with some smaller publications getting into even more niche design houses.
 
travisbickle said:
Probably because access to the fashion industry as a model is limited, predominantly, to children of rich, white American families.

A lot of the models you see outside of the norm are picked from the street, those who don't perceive themselves as model material. Someone from my school became a model, I'm British and her parents are Chinese immigrants. She was "spotted" while on a day trip in London, because her shop-owning parents weren't sending her to modelling agencies and paying her to attend shows, and they weren't pleased when she said she wanted to pursue it as a career.
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This makes sense to me.
 
Brakke said:
Yes but there aren't enough points on that graph to draw a regression.
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Reminds me of the GAF thread when GTA: San Andreas was announced. So many people were concerned because they just wouldn't be able to "relate" to CJ they way they could the other protagonist because they just didn't like 'thug' culture. I mean they could relate to a mass murderer who put the entirety of Columbia up his nose on a daily basis but someone who listens to hip hop? What an alien
 
Sneds said:
England.
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Interesting. When I was on there, the UK version as well. I found most of my matches didn't have that question answered. Most were white women,but focused mostly in the creative arts or related jobs, maybe that was the difference?

And even some who answered the preference question, were flexible depending on your first message..
 
BigDes said:
Reminds me of the GAF thread when GTA: San Andreas was announced. So many people were concerned because they just wouldn't be able to "relate" to CJ they way they could the other protagonist because they just didn't like 'thug' culture. I mean they could relate to a mass murderer who put the entirety of Columbia up his nose on a daily basis but someone who listens to hip hop? What an alien
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I'm assuming you mean the country Colombia? :P Sorry, it's a pet peeve.
 
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