Laieon
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Seriously?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves/31076
And lets not forget the Arab Slave Trade (which, granted, had nothing to do with NA): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade
Why is racism in high fashion still wildly accepted?
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Seriously?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves/31076
And lets not forget the Arab Slave Trade (which, granted, had nothing to do with NA): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade
It might have a little to do with this stupid post:
Where in his post did he mention "Sneakers and caps and streetwear" and what does that have to do with black guys wearing high fashion clothing?
This is probably the most astute response.
LaserBuddha
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You linked to that site because you're trolling, right?
I'll repeat again, the modern fashion industry was "white/european" created for a white/European consumer population. The majority of the top fashion houses are in white countries, as are the top fashion mags. While there are a few minority designers, the majority are white as well. The readership of many of the top fashion magazines is most likely white females as well. Most of these magazines are distributed in countries where the white population is easily 60%-90% or more of the total population. So what do people honestly expect?
That's not to say there aren't minority readers all around the world, but let's face it, until white people are a small minority group as marginalized as the rest, things will stay the way they are.
That's not to say there aren't minority readers all around the world, but let's face it, until white people are a small minority group as marginalized as the rest, things will stay the way they are.
the notion that you have to be the same race to identify with someone is problematic
freenudemacusers
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i don't think most designers, or any at all, really, set out to exclude minorities. i do think there is a normalization in the industry beyond body type, and i'm curious why that is; i don't pretend to have a good answer.
plus, it's rare that a given designer has free range to do as they please if you consider how many high-fashion labels are owned by conglomerates. I've found, IME, that the independent labels are a lot better about this issue.
Humans are programed to prefer their own race to others.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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BocoDragon
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That's a blanket statement that isn't true without qualification.
I could point to the fact that it's quite common for men to prefer exotic women... maybe just because that's their thing, or because they are seeking genetic diversity, etc.
DoktorEvil
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I made a piss poor assumption as to what he meant. I've done that a lot in my posts and didn't vet before posting, I apologize.
Diprosalic
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yeah but people that want to sell stuff just cater to the market, does the fashion industry or hollywood have a moral obligation to include minorities or can they do whatever they think will make them the most money?
Epsilon-delta
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You reply to his post but keep quiet on the post he was replying to, which was as equally idiotic.
"I think black people are better than white people..."
"I actually had a dumb-ass (white, of course) friend..."
Yea, that doesn't sound racist at all lol.
I think what he is referring to is psychological studies that show that at a base level you can measure different response times in people based on race. It's likely part of some left over evolutionary aspect of the brain that helped primitive man recognize outsiders as potential threats.
It's part of the human brain, but something that everyone can overcome with their awareness of it. I think that's all he meant.
Northern Lights
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I got cancer from reading this thread.
BocoDragon
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Luckily the market is actually incentivising minorities in the case of the latter.
Lots of Chinese stars are showing up in Hollwood films these days. Why is that? Developing Chinese market, of course.
DoktorEvil
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It's a mix of both, plus trying to keep up with legislation and labor laws regarding work, plus unionized workers.
Other times, if you're a smaller shop, you can't afford to deviate from the norm of the industry, especially if you're undercapitalized.
Name one medium, other than Hip-Hop and R&B, where white people are underrepresented.
I don't know if that's the reason, but I think it's easier to just go with the 'default' of the market or wherever you happen to be.
Back in Canada it seemed like every advertisement involving multiple people would have a white & black & asian & indian person. Here in Japan I can count on my fingers how many times I've seen public advertisements with non-asians (that weren't celebrities) and I don't think they'll diversify just for the sake of being diverse.
I can say whatever I want about white people because I am white. Sorry but my black friends don't go around saying "white people need to stop complaining about racism." I've had a white friend tell me "black people are always whining about racism." LOL I wonder why they would do such a thing...
"Race" is a social construct and nothing more. Let's keep pseudoscience out of this thread please.
And yet, it touches on the very crux of the argument. Why aren't there any minority models in fashion mags for the minority readers who would identify better with someone who looks like them. And yet then, also wonder why there are only usually white models, when they're probably there for the white people to identify with.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for greater representation as having a wide variety of models would actually represent fashion much better. You don't need to be a skinny white guy or girl to pull off this jacket etc. But I know why it is like that in the fashion world, even if I don't accept it.
Does basketball count? =p
BocoDragon
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Right, I know the studies you are referring to, but a strong ability to detect race quickly doesn't imply you have a value judgement negative or positive.
It doesn't even imply anything "evolutionary" really. Humans notice distinct human features very quickly. Why wouldn't we?
If you generalize a whole race with positive or negative characteristics, people will tend to find that problematic, regardless of what race you are.
Agreed. I don't think it implies a value judgment either, and I don't think the studies demonstrated that. Perhaps he was mistaken on that point, or just used the word "prefer" a little too loosely.
I give him the benefit of the doubt though. His posts are usually very rational and diplomatic.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Think about the difference in composition of the populations of Canada and Japan
Epsilon-delta
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I'm mixed myself (half-white/half-Filipino), but your post seems like you secretly despise being white or something. For as much money as you make, you have some insecurities.
RockTurtle
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so is OP going to post some pics or name of the magazine?
some of those models could have been hispanic
some of those models could have been hispanic
That was my point.
Yes, Canada is more diverse and thus advertisements are more diverse. As stated earlier, I don't know what the demographics of the readers are of these magazines, but if the vast majority is white then that might explain white most of the models are.
I honestly have difficulty thinking of ones that aren't. News media, entertainment of all sorts, TV shows, movies, video games, they all fall well below 80% threshold of whites. I'm not saying there's any lack of whites or that there should be more whites, just that, when talking about representation of minorities it's easy to forget just how white America is.
So you can speak about all white people because you are part white? Whatever that entails? I don't even understand what you're trying to say in this thread? What does your anecdotal experience with your racist white friend have to do with anything at large?
DoktorEvil
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Maybe Brazilian?
RockTurtle
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sports?
went to the main site. I'm seeing a rather sizeable amount of minorities. anyone got a link to the print version?
zeopower6
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It's VMan, the men's version of V Magazine for women. People went to the main site and saw mostly white models with a few black ones. They did have a "Tokyo Tribe" spread a while back though featuring all Japanese models.
http://forums.thefashionspot.com/f7...14-nicholas-hoult-mario-testino-248875-2.html
I think this is the most recent issue. Potentially NSFW due to a nude-but-covered female slightly plus size spread in there.
Mixed Brazilians are always very well represented in the modeling industry from what I've seen x_x
BocoDragon
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Hockey is still pearly white.
I agree, we do prefer our race to others, say a fish.
Ain't nobody sane trying to fuck fishes out here.
Edit: Believe it or not I wrote this before I saw Zornack's avatar.
Laieon
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BocoDragon
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But nobody gives a shit about hockey.
Lol! My thoughts exactly.
Diprosalic
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why is racism in the NHL still widely accepted?
BocoDragon
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I'm in Canada and I wish that were the case. It's the local religion here, and I don't care for it.
MorisUkunRasik
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...go on
AFAIK the United States is closer to 70% white, if you count all Hispanic people as non-white, as you seem to be doing.
Video games are well over 80% white. If you look at non-customizable videogame protagonists, almost all are white men. I can't think of any games where you don't play as a white person except for GTA: San Andreas and Mirror's Edge. Most videogame protagonists of color are part of a team, such as Coach and Rochelle in Left 4 Dead 2. The games industry is probably the most conservative when it comes to diversity.
BocoDragon
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The world needs a black Mario brother.
Man, I once got into it with someone who said hockey wasn't diverse enough, when I said it's one of the more diverse leagues in terms of nationality
Hockey is popular in which countries? Canada, USA, Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Switzerland etc. What are the demographics of these countries like? The only country with a sizeable non-white population is the USA. And the reason there aren't more Seth Jones and other black American hockey players is because of the lack of hockey facilities and infrastructure, the high cost entry, and the fact it's actually 4th in that country. So the more athletic black athletes who would do great in hockey, find it easier to play basketball, football, baseball etc. Especially in the Southern states where sports rules.
Obviously diversity is increasing, especially because of Canada, where we have started to put some solid non-white studs on the ice ie. Subban brothers recently. But it takes time for things to change. When I played in high school, there were maybe 1-3 non-white players on teams, now when I watch, at least half of the local teams have non-white players in BC.
How the fuck is the NHL racist?
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theignoramus
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Your response is ignorant. Louis Vutton and other high end brands are huge with a subculture of American blacks
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