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[rafaelr]

Good to see so many happy W900 owners. I have had mine for 4 months now and still very glad I chose this set.

same here, even though it´s kinda tough to look at the prices it´s selling for now.
i also recently replaced my onkyo 609 (hdmi board broke down) with a sony str1040 and the leo bodnar lag tester shows just 1-2ms added lag for the whole setup (the onkyo added ~25ms).

 

[Tathanen]

Found me a gently used TC-P60VT60 bein sold by a dude online for a reasonable price, just got the contract worked out awwww yiss.

Now to have it arrive in 400 uninsured pieces.

 

[Haint]

same here, even though it´s kinda tough to look at the prices it´s selling for now.
i also recently replaced my onkyo 609 (hdmi board broke down) with a sony str1040 and the leo bodnar lag tester shows just 1-2ms added lag for the whole setup (the onkyo added ~25ms).

Any AVR that overlays volume or input label graphics on the video signal will add 1-2 frames by definition. Any that do not should theoretically add next to nothing. Onkyo's are pure shit, they've been burning up HDMI boards since the X06 in like '08. No idea how they've avoid a class action if it continued through the X09.

 

[The Wise Old Man]

Is this really that good of a deal? Display tv doesn't give you concerns considering it's been on all day everyday? For 1500 you can get the tv brand new, shipped, tax free....

It comes with a 1 year mfgs warranty from date of purchase. Also I bought a 2 year warranty from best buy. Honestly I feel good about it. Plus best buy offered financing that the online stores dont. It was a good purchase for me. And the picture on this set is a stunner. Can other users post the settings they're using for their w900a sets??? I used the cnet settings and they're a little too brown and dull for my tastes.

 

[kinggroin]

Have you pixel orbiter enabled? I noticed on my 2012 Panasonic UT50 that the pixel orbiter actually works and is even almost essential. I used my tv as a 100% gaming display straight from day one, with pixel orbiter enabled, and had never a hint of retention for the first year. Never. Last month, I decided it was time to get rid of pixel orbiter (and overscan with it), because of aged phosphors, etc. and after only a couple of sessions of Donkey Kong Country TP, well I got a clear, persistent hud retention which took me a good 12 hours of scrolling bar to get rid of. Turned orbiter back on again, never got retention anymore since.

So, for my personal experience, I would reccomend to every plasma gamer to keep orbiter on, even if this means having to deal with overscan (to have the screen filled at every time).

I have that one infamous Samsung plasma set from 2011, notorious for resisiting even image retention under the harshest tests. Fuck pixel orbit.


Good advice though for folks with more sensitive sets.

 

[xaosslug]

what about the Samsung PN43F4500AFXZA? It only does 720p, but it's plasma and pretty much DIRT cheap... what's GAF say? I'm really tempted to pull the trigger...

 

[daemissary]

So is there a consensus best 2014 set yet?

I waited too long to get a Panasonic plasma and at this point it's even tough for me to find a W900a which was my 2nd choice. Something released this year has to be comparable...right?

 

[Prophet Steve]

So is there a consensus best 2014 set yet?

I waited too long to get a Panasonic plasma and at this point it's even tough for me to find a W900a which was my 2nd choice. Something released this year has to be comparable...right?

Well, there is nothing comparable with the Panasonic plasma since plasma TVs are not really in development anymore. Although apparently Samsung still has good plasmas if those are available. W900a also does not have a good follow-up yet so you might have to wait longer if you don't go for it.

 

[michaelius]

http://flatpanelshd.com/article.php?subaction=showfull&id=1396941506

LG bringing 4k OLED panels to market in 2014


Why wasn't I born with 8 kidneys ?

 

[Hattori]

Got myself a new Sony TV, it's pretty sweet x)


edit: for those wondering, it's a kdl50w800b.

 

[Loakum]

Just got myself a Samsung 60 inch full 1080p LED TV. I'm more than pleased with it! ^_^

 

[ss_lemonade]

I was initially thinking of getting one of the new 60in vizios out now (e series) for less than 900 but saw a local best buy with the w900a for $1500. Its a little over my budget but is it really worth the extra over the bigger vizio tv?

 

[KibblesBits]

Got myself a new Sony TV, it's pretty sweet x)


edit: for those wondering, it's a kdl50w800b.

I just got the 40" of this series. It's a great tv. I love the smart functions.

 

[golem]

i also recently replaced my onkyo 609 (hdmi board broke down) with a sony str1040

My 606's hdmi board is dead too.

Never again Onkyo.

 

[br3wnor]

Question about a 6+ year old 55" Samsung LCD:

The TV is on the fritz and I'm trying to figure out if there's anything I can do to fix it. Basically, almost every time you turn it on now, it'll have a really distorted screen and release this high pitched EXTREMELY loud squeal for about 5-10 seconds, then restart itself and (usually) be fine. Sometimes it'll go through this process twice before the TV is watchable. Is the TV just dying or is there something that can be done to fix it? When it first started, it'd only be every few times you turned it on, but now it's almost every time and the times that it cycles through 2+ reboots is increasing.

If anyone knows a way to fix this beyond buying a new TV, it'd earn me some son-in-law brownie points so thanks for any suggestions.

 

[Dead]

My 606's hdmi board is dead too.

Never again Onkyo.

From what I hear, these days buying onkyo is akin to throwing your money away.

 

[Lima]

From what I hear, these days buying onkyo is akin to throwing your money away.

See and you just hear it. I hate these generalizations. The Onkyo 818 is still one of the best receivers they ever made especially in terms of performance/money ratio.

 

[mitchman]

I'm on my 2nd Onkyo. Except for a problem with HDMI in combination with another setting (fixed with a firmware update), both have worked excellent for me.

 

[Palette Swap]

My 606's hdmi board is dead too.

Never again Onkyo.

I swear I've been reading for a couple of years now these stories about HDMI crapping out specifically on Onkyo receivers.

TBH, for all the convenience and bandwidth it brings, I'm still not a huge fan of HDMI because of the handshake issues I'll get every now and then. It's minor but annoying. 360 is the worst in that regard, losing DD output and switching to stereo all of a sudden and requiring a reboot to get DD back. It might be a console side issue though.

 

[Hammer24]

I´m trying to choose between the 55F8090 and the 55F9090.
What would you guys say is better for gaming?

 

[Prophet Steve]

See and you just hear it. I hate these generalizations. The Onkyo 818 is still one of the best receivers they ever made especially in terms of performance/money ratio.

Yeah, from what little I read it seems that Onkyo is still great, outside of the HDMI issues. It has put a big dent to their reputation.

I really wish I had the money for a nice receiver and some speakers. At least I got a good TV now, so that is a start.

 

[Haint]

See and you just hear it. I hate these generalizations. The Onkyo 818 is still one of the best receivers they ever made especially in terms of performance/money ratio.

It's not hearsay with me, I had a 606 that had the bad batch of capacitors (a known, documented problem with early run units) that would produce fairly significant buzzing. Got that fixed under warranty, then it fried the HDMI board some time later. Even ignoring reliability, the fact that they've continued to put Audysee 2EQ on $600-700 AVR's for so many years is reason enough to trash them. From what I understand they're not even willing to pay for that this year and are going with an unknown solution ("AccuEQ") provided by one of their OEM part suppliers that doesn't even EQ the mains. Yes that includes the $699 636, it won't EQ the mains.

 

[Lima]

I don't even own one but I would have bought the 818. XT32 for that price oh my. Had to pay much more to get that on my Denon.

 

[geordiemp]

same here, even though it´s kinda tough to look at the prices it´s selling for now.
i also recently replaced my onkyo 609 (hdmi board broke down) with a sony str1040 and the leo bodnar lag tester shows just 1-2ms added lag for the whole setup (the onkyo added ~25ms).

Just got my 905 a week ago, wall mounts lovely in living room, I Just want to add a sub-woofer.

Is there any way to add just a sub woofer and where can I buy it ?


I don't want to add a sound bar and amp being wall hung I would have no where to put it etc, just want a bit more bass.

I recall reading Sony have a sub woofer to add to TV's, but I cant recall where....

 

[geordiemp]

I´m trying to choose between the 55F8090 and the 55F9090.
What would you guys say is better for gaming?

Just a quick google search

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ue46f8000-201306093072.htm

46F8000 series (its close enough) has 42 ms lag

Input lag (high-speed camera) 45ms compared to lag-free CRT
Leo Bodnar input lag tester 42.5ms

Compare that with 6-8 ms for a sony, your TV be 2 frames behind (16 ms per frame), no big deal but playing any twitch shooter like COD you would notice it...

I have a Samsung and LG, they are far better for interface and smart apps etc, my LG wand is s much nicer to move around menus than the sony controller....

BUT the sony 905 has a slightly better picture and no contest for gaming (and I mean NO CONTEST).

Being 2 frames earlier to display enemies or to shoot .....what can I say ?

Its about time other manufacturers made sets which are good for gaming and don't totally Suck. As a gamer I wont touch a Samsung or LG again unless its for TV / movies only....

 

[Hammer24]

Just a quick google search

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ue46f8000-201306093072.htm

46F8000 series (its close enough) has 42 ms lag


Compare that with 6-8 ms for a sony, your TV be 2 frames behind (16 ms per frame), no big deal but playing any twitch shooter like COD you would notice it...

I have a Samsung and LG, they are far better for interface and smart apps etc, my LG wand is s much nicer to move around menus than the sony controller....

BUT the sony 905 has a slightly better picture and no contest for gaming (and I mean NO CONTEST).

Being 2 frames earlier to display enemies or to shoot .....what can I say ?

Its about time other manufacturers made sets which are good for gaming and don't totally Suck.

Thanks for the link. But how does the 9090 compare?

 

[MaLDo]

Anyone know if it is possible to downsampling with a nvidia gpu on Sony 50" W600 series tv?

 

[geordiemp]

Thanks for the link. But how does the 9090 compare?

You just need to google review sites and find a 9000 series review that mentions input lag using the 2 methods (fast camera and the Leo Bodnar tester).

usually a series like 8000 or 9000 are roughly the same processing and features...

Or check the AVforums user threads and google Bodnar.

I went through same thing, I ended up choosing between W905 (2013 model) and W829b then struggled between 46" / 50" and 55".

I went with 46w905 eventually, its big enough given we sit 8 to 9 ft from wall hung TV. The 2014 model had better menu and apps, but 905 has better colours (triluminous) and blacks

I did not care for budget really, wanted a fast 1080p set with great picture, no point in 4K as it will probably look worse with 1080 material and has to be upscaled (probably adding more lag).....

I mainly use for Ps4 / Sky and blu ray and cant see that changing for next few years....

I mainly play COD, and my KD and performance has gone up last week to KD > 2 just with a faster TV, I know its anecdotal but I feel that I fire first more now and seem to have more time...

 

[geordiemp]

Thanks for the link. But how does the 9090 compare?

http://translate.google.com/transla...?q=samsung+F9090+bodnar&sa=X&biw=1536&bih=766

Samsung: F9090: 69ms
Sony X9: 40ms
Panasonic WT600: 38ms

To me they all look crap for gaming (69 ms is awful) unless you play slow paced games..

I noticed that the simple lower cost Samsung / LG can do around 30-40 ms and be decent for gaming as they have little processing, only really good for gaming are 'most' sony 1080 models or a fast plasma...

note even the fancy Sony X9 40 ms is poor in my view for gaming...

 

[Hammer24]

From what I found, the 69ms number comes from a test in a german magazine. But they didn´t specify, if the TV was set to game mode for it.

 

[Jack cw]

I noticed that the simple lower cost Samsung / LG can do around 30-40 ms and be decent for gaming as they have little processing, only really good for gaming are 'most' sony 1080 models or a fast plasma...

note even the fancy Sony X9 40 ms is poor in my view for gaming...

What you get in exchange for a bit better reaction time is worse image quality though. its a double edged sword. You either want superb IQ which needs horrendous computing that results in higher input lag, or go for a mediocre picture with a few ms better lag. I guess it still works to rename the HDMI inputs to PC in order to nearly half the input lag.

 

[larrybird33]

I just sunk my money on a Panasonic VT60 Plasma - one of the last great plasmas. They're apparently amazing TV's but I didn't really do much research on their gaming performance - I've read figures between 28 and 32ms but depending on the settings you use they can be in the 40's.

I still think they're acceptable numbers, as I don't really play games like CoD anymore, but I'm more interested in reports on image retention (I don't think burn in affects them anymore) still being around on Plasmas. For every forum post I've read that it doesn't exist there is always someone disputing it. I wonder how it'll go. I pick it up in a couple days.

 

[mitchman]

I've measured 60ms delay on my Samsung 65" F9000 on the HDMI DVI PC input (which is effectively game mode with no processing). It was above 100ms with the regular input. It's acceptable, but not good. The glorious TV makes up for it

 

[Prophet Steve]

I just sunk my money on a Panasonic VT60 Plasma - one of the last great plasmas. They're apparently amazing TV's but I didn't really do much research on their gaming performance - I've read figures between 28 and 32ms but depending on the settings you use they can be in the 40's.

I still think they're acceptable numbers, as I don't really play games like CoD anymore, but I'm more interested in reports on image retention (I don't think burn in affects them anymore) still being around on Plasmas. For every forum post I've read that it doesn't exist there is always someone disputing it. I wonder how it'll go. I pick it up in a couple days.

The VT60 is decent for gaming performance. It differs for every person how susceptible they are towards the lag. Frankly geordiemp is a bit exaggerating imo, it is possible that he does notice the difference, but for most people such gaming performance is great.

I game on the ST60, which has way more display lag and I play games fine on it. That said, I have played no twitch shooters on it. It is also definitely possible that I play better with less lag, and I really wished Panasonic would have done something it, but I have no regrets buying it.

About image retention, I haven't had a single case of image retention on my TV yet. And I have played games with static HUDs for maybe four hours at the time. Also some amount of TV channels, but not a whole lot. Now, I have only used my display for probably less than 300 hours now, and I do take care that I turn the display off when I pause the game for too long, so I do have a bit of caution.

Image retention does definitely still exist though, and there have been many reports of it, you may get lucky or unlucky. Many people use it and burn-in interchangeably, but burn-in is permanent and image retention is temporarily. It would take a lot of abuse and bad luck to cause burn-in, and that is very unlikely to happen, image retention is possible but as I said, I haven't found any sign of it yet, might be luck of the draw though.

 

[Bill Rizer]

The VT60 is decent for gaming performance. It differs for every person how susceptible they are towards the lag. Frankly geordiemp is a bit exaggerating imo, it is possible that he does notice the difference, but for most people such gaming performance is great.

I game on the ST60, which has way more display lag and I play games fine on it. That said, I have played no twitch shooters on it. It is also definitely possible that I play better with less lag, and I really wished Panasonic would have done something it, but I have no regrets buying it.

About image retention, I haven't had a single case of image retention on my TV yet. And I have played games with static HUDs for maybe four hours at the time. Also some amount of TV channels, but not a whole lot. Now, I have only used my display for probably less than 300 hours now, and I do take care that I turn the display off when I pause the game for too long, so I do have a bit of caution.

Image retention does definitely still exist though, and there have been many reports of it, you may get lucky or unlucky. Many people use it and burn-in interchangeably, but burn-in is permanent and image retention is temporarily. It would take a lot of abuse and bad luck to cause burn-in, and that is very unlikely to happen, image retention is possible but as I said, I haven't found any sign of it yet, might be luck of the draw though.

Do you have pixel orbiter enabled?

 

[spwolf]

http://translate.google.com/transla...?q=samsung+F9090+bodnar&sa=X&biw=1536&bih=766

Samsung: F9090: 69ms
Sony X9: 40ms
Panasonic WT600: 38ms

To me they all look crap for gaming (69 ms is awful) unless you play slow paced games..

I noticed that the simple lower cost Samsung / LG can do around 30-40 ms and be decent for gaming as they have little processing, only really good for gaming are 'most' sony 1080 models or a fast plasma...

note even the fancy Sony X9 40 ms is poor in my view for gaming...

fancier the tv, bigger the lag... Sony's W6/7/8 are great, rest is going to introduce more and more lag.

 

[geordiemp]

The VT60 is decent for gaming performance. It differs for every person how susceptible they are towards the lag. Frankly geordiemp is a bit exaggerating imo, it is possible that he does notice the difference, but for most people such gaming performance is great.
.

I am not at all. You know that most guns in COD kill in 100 ms, that's 6 frames at 60 Hz.

Anything over 30 ms (2 frames) you will notice, well you wont actually, you just die and wonder how the other guy reacted so quickly.

Online games often lag 30-50 ms normally anyway, a bad game is 100 ms, last thing you want is to add to that. Especially 69 ms, that would make every game seem as if you are a fraction behind (which you are).

Why do you think gaming monitors are advertised and stressed as 2 ms. The best gaming monitors is old CRT....

If you play any game online, adding monitor lag onto game lag you will be playing with a handicap.

I used to play on an old panny plasma which was not bad, when I changed to an LG (60 ms) god I noticed, felt like I was playing with lead boots on. And NO I did not research it, just noticed I felt slow and put it down to game lag....

Anyway, feel free to buy whatever, hope to meet you on COD LOL

 

[geordiemp]

fancier the tv, bigger the lag... Sony's W6/7/8 are great, rest is going to introduce more and more lag.

Close but not really, the 55w905 has 8 ms, if the fancy TV has lots of processing and features, they either have to be super fast or properly bypass them for game mode. Sony gets it right, as do 'some' Plasmas. Otherwise for gaming better of with a cheap 60 Hz no processing LCD...

As I mainly game, was not happy with my 2 year old LG (high end model smart TV)

 

[Prophet Steve]

Do you have pixel orbiter enabled?

No, I don't.

I am not at all. You know that most guns in COD kill in 100 ms, that's 6 frames at 60 Hz.

Anything over 30 ms (2 frames) you will notice, well you wont actually, you just die and wonder how the other guy reacted so quickly.

Online games often lag 30-50 ms normally anyway, a bad game is 100 ms, last thing you want is to add to that. Especially 69 ms, that would make every game seem as if you are a fraction behind (which you are).

Why do you think gaming monitors are advertised and stressed as 2 ms. The best gaming monitors is old CRT....

If you play any game online, adding monitor lag onto game lag you will be playing with a handicap.

I used to play on an old panny plasma which was not bad, when I changed to an LG (60 ms) god I noticed, felt like I was playing with lead boots on. And NO I did not research it, just noticed I felt slow and put it down to game lag....

Anyway, feel free to buy whatever, hope to meet you on COD LOL

As I said, I can easily believe you do notice a difference, but many people won't or it won't be enough of a factor.

I am pretty sure network lag can easily be higher than that, and besides that there is heavy lag compensation going on for that which makes the latency argument in cod kind of bad for me. I also don't really see how it matters how long it takes to kill someone, as it is basically the first person that pulls the trigger.

People play plenty of games that have a lot more lag than other ones. Where cod games have pretty low latency, you also get the 30 FPS games that have easily the double amount of latency in the game, and it is not stopping people from playing those, and they are even played competitively.

You are at a disadvantage when playing with more display lag, but two frames is not terrible at all, and people that play different games encounter much more differences in lag than that, besides that, the majority of the players you play with probably have even worse lag. Your reaction time is probably going to make a bigger difference than that, and I doubt that stops many people from playing.

Anyhow, I doubt you'd ever see me in COD, it is just not my cup of tea.

 

[ElNino]

I am not at all. You know that most guns in COD kill in 100 ms, that's 6 frames at 60 Hz.

Anything over 30 ms (2 frames) you will notice, well you wont actually, you just die and wonder how the other guy reacted so quickly.

Online games often lag 30-50 ms normally anyway, a bad game is 100 ms, last thing you want is to add to that. Especially 69 ms, that would make every game seem as if you are a fraction behind (which you are).

Why do you think gaming monitors are advertised and stressed as 2 ms. The best gaming monitors is old CRT....

If you play any game online, adding monitor lag onto game lag you will be playing with a handicap.

I used to play on an old panny plasma which was not bad, when I changed to an LG (60 ms) god I noticed, felt like I was playing with lead boots on. And NO I did not research it, just noticed I felt slow and put it down to game lag....

Anyway, feel free to buy whatever, hope to meet you on COD LOL

It's not that the numbers are wrong, it's how many people will notice the difference.

I am very much aware of how much display lag there is in my sets as I work quite diligently to get the audio lip sync to match up as closely as possible. On my Samsung plasma (E6500), I can get ~16 ms delay (one frame) in the PC setting via HDMI and ~64 ms (four frames) with the PC mode off.

After using both settings, I've decided to go without the PC setting as the lag is not noticeable enough to me when playing games and I can get the picture quality to look much better in the normal Movie setting. Even playing a game like Powerstar Golf where you need to time a button press on the shot meter I have no issues hitting the targets without PC mode. I could notice the difference very slightly with it on, but it was not enough to sacrifice image quality.

 

[turnernader]

what about the Samsung PN43F4500AFXZA? It only does 720p, but it's plasma and pretty much DIRT cheap... what's GAF say? I'm really tempted to pull the trigger...

I bought this a few months back just as decent size to go in my apartment. i have been doing some gaming on there lately and i will say i am impressed. I messed around with the settings and it will play some beautiful next gen games. I have noticed no burn in the images after hours of playing or watching tv. I say if you are thinking about it then go ahead and pull the trigger

 

[Red Mage]

Odd question: I need a (relatively) small screen for a while, say 20-24 inch. When it comes to games, is 720 going to be that noticable compared to 1080 on such a small screen?

 

[Lima]

Odd question: I need a (relatively) small screen for a while, say 20-24 inch. When it comes to games, is 720 going to be that noticable compared to 1080 on such a small screen?

Which system (last gen or say PS4) and what viewing distance?

 

[Red Mage]

Which system (last gen or say PS4) and what viewing distance?

PS3 and fairly close, say five to ten feet.

 

[xaosslug]

I bought this a few months back just as decent size to go in my apartment. i have been doing some gaming on there lately and i will say i am impressed. I messed around with the settings and it will play some beautiful next gen games. I have noticed no burn in the images after hours of playing or watching tv. I say if you are thinking about it then go ahead and pull the trigger

sounds good, thanks!

 

[tokkun]

Image retention does definitely still exist though, and there have been many reports of it, you may get lucky or unlucky. Many people use it and burn-in interchangeably, but burn-in is permanent and image retention is temporarily. It would take a lot of abuse and bad luck to cause burn-in, and that is very unlikely to happen, image retention is possible but as I said, I haven't found any sign of it yet, might be luck of the draw though.

When I have been playing a lot of a game with static UI elements on my Panasonic plasma, the image retention can last for weeks afterwards, even with a few hours of the anti-retention bar patterns. While it may not technically be permanent, it effectively is, since the probability is high that in the time it takes for the retained images to go away, I will pick up new patterns from another game. So I pretty much permanently have a degraded picture.

 

[AlimNassor]

60MS input lag is not acceptable. It's bad. My TV has 25MS of input lag and I can somewhat notice the difference between it and my CRT. 100MS is downright insane and unplayable.

 

[SoopaMan2K]

Just got myself a Samsung 60 inch full 1080p LED TV. I'm more than pleased with it! ^_^

Same. I got my 40'' Samsung and I'm really happy with it. About to get a 46'' of the same model for my mom on Mother's Day.

 

[Prophet Steve]

When I have been playing a lot of a game with static UI elements on my Panasonic plasma, the image retention can last for weeks afterwards, even with a few hours of the anti-retention bar patterns. While it may not technically be permanent, it effectively is, since the probability is high that in the time it takes for the retained images to go away, I will pick up new patterns from another game. So I pretty much permanently have a degraded picture.

Damn, that sounds like a pretty bad case. I don't think most image retention is like that though, but it is something to keep in mind.

 

[undercoverb0ss]

When I have been playing a lot of a game with static UI elements on my Panasonic plasma, the image retention can last for weeks afterwards, even with a few hours of the anti-retention bar patterns. While it may not technically be permanent, it effectively is, since the probability is high that in the time it takes for the retained images to go away, I will pick up new patterns from another game. So I pretty much permanently have a degraded picture.

Wow, I had a scare recently on my VT60. I left Sonic AllStars Racing paused and fell asleep in my bedroom. It was on the screen for atleast 7hours.

Took half a day of running screen wipe to eliminate it but it did clear it.