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I'm not sure they could pull off any sort of redemption now as he's killed several innocent police officers and dozens of SHIELD agents.

I mean, if they want to excuse some of it, he'd need to be brainwashed ala the red room, but it doesn't appear to be anything like that.

Haha I've been reading Marvel comics lately. Moon Knight used to be a serial killer or something and he became a hero.

Hell Natasha used to be a Russian agent right? Pretty sure she killed some Americans during that time. Killing innocent people doesn't mean you can't be redeemed.
 

Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I'm not sure they could pull off any sort of redemption now as he's killed several innocent police officers and dozens of SHIELD agents.

I mean, if they want to excuse some of it, he'd need to be brainwashed ala the red room, but it doesn't appear to be anything like that.

He's gonna get shot and "killed", then they tahiti him complete with brainchoppies to make him forget he was ever in hydra or loyal to Garrett.
 

Dennis

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I'm not sure they could pull off any sort of redemption now as he's killed several innocent police officers and dozens of SHIELD agents.

I mean, if they want to excuse some of it, he'd need to be brainwashed ala the red room, but it doesn't appear to be anything like that.

Didn't Coulson shoot some Agents in that one episode where they wouldn't let them in?
 
Didn't Coulson shoot some Agents in that one episode where they wouldn't let them in?

Yeah and apparently they worked for him.

They've been telegraphing some sort of "redemption" for Ward. If he sacrifices himself for the team, I can see it. But at this point getting him back on the team in any sort of capacity would be fucking retarded. The guy has killed numerous SHIELD agents and now police officers.
 

Kai Dracon

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It's true Natasha is supposed to have some vile history, but even in the present she's nearly an anti-hero and that's how she fits in. She came to SHIELD after her dark past was behind her.

Ward has no place with the team after what he's done. If SHIELD still existed and somehow took him back as an agent, there's no way the characters on team Coulson would accept it or stand in the same room with him. Too much personal betrayal.

Coulson *almost* threw May under the bus just for lying about reporting to Fury, someone Coulson doesn't consider the enemy. Coulson would probably struggle with the desire to outright shoot Ward between the eyes for his crimes, not the least of which is murdering Victoria Hand.

Edit: though it seems clear Ward is living with delusions about his actions judging by his arguing with Skye. I could see him doing the heroic sacrifice, yeah. In fact, that may be his only way out. He can't come home, and Hydra will eventually use him up and throw him away.
 

enzo_gt

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Didn't Coulson shoot some Agents in that one episode where they wouldn't let them in?
They were hostile, and not identified as S.H.I.E.L.D. agents at the time. Coulson could not remember any relationship with them.

Killing hostiles in self-defense and slaying innocent cops, Victoria Hand and others in the name of a terrorist organization are two different things. Note that S.H.I.E.L.D. agents consistently use stun guns wherever possible as well. He betrayed Coulson's trust more than anyone else, anything less than a bullet between the eyes will be surprising and out of place.
 

water_wendi

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Yeah and apparently they worked for him.

They've been telegraphing some sort of "redemption" for Ward. If he sacrifices himself for the team, I can see it. But at this point getting him back on the team in any sort of capacity would be fucking retarded. The guy has killed numerous SHIELD agents and now police officers.

id rather a failed redemption where he is "killed" by Skye but survives without anyone else being aware. i could see a psychotic Ward stalking the team later and sabotaging them from behind to exact his ultimate vengeance. "Grant Ward is dead. there is only Psych Ward!"
 

anaron

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Haha I've been reading Marvel comics lately. Moon Knight used to be a serial killer or something and he became a hero.

Hell Natasha used to be a Russian agent right? Pretty sure she killed some Americans during that time. Killing innocent people doesn't mean you can't be redeemed.

Of course not, but in someone like Natasha's case, she was physically and severely brainwashed and practically programmed into believing things about herself and others that didn't exist.

Ward hasn't shown any sort of remorse or hesitation in carrying out his murders either.
 

Dai101

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id rather a failed redemption where he is "killed" by Skye but survives without anyone else being aware. i could see a psychotic Ward stalking the team later and sabotaging them from behind to exact his ultimate vengeance. "Grant Ward is dead. there is only Psych Ward!"

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I'll be real curious if they change the show's title for next season, since they seemed to be hitting the whole "SHIELD is gone!" thing hard this episode.

Joe Quesada [cheif creative officer at marvel ] was on kevin smiths podcast this week and said they had no plans to change the shows name next season
 

Anoregon

The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
So Agents of Glee got a 3.0, is what that means.
 

Mariolee

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HOLY CRAP. That episode was incredible. That shit could've been the season finale.

So remember how, in the pilot, May arranged some office files in a group of three in the exact same way Skye did in another episode? In the most recent episode, After Maria Hill and Coulson beat up the military, you can see that Skye arranged sugar packets into a perfectly spaced group of three, before her coffee arrived. I wonder what the story with this detail is.

I'm still wondering about this as well. My theory: May is called to a mission where a Kree has been sighted, they bang, May covers everything up but poops out a baby, Skye is her kid, both of them were into the same guy.

Classic family stuff.
 

dabig2

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It's one thing to have done evil things in your past and be redeemed for it later on. It's another to do evil things in your present when you're pretending to be a good guy and then go "oh lol, well all that time I spent with you was bullshit but I'm totes reformed now and ready to do good like for real this time!"

Ward is fucked. He might be redeemed in a way, but he'll die achieving it. I just hope it isn't as cliche as I'm thinking it might be.
 

kurahador

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I REALLY hope there isn't a redemption arc for Ward. He's too far gone, been in deep cover too long as well. There are too many strikes against him for both Skye and Coulson, it would be super lame. Garett will inevitably turn against him because of some act of subordination, but I don't think [the remnants of] S.H.I.E.L.D. will take him back even if he saves their lives.

I thought last week episode kinda hints that he's too far gone. He's just fixated on Skye now just like Blackout to Coulson ex-girlfriend.
 

Pennybags

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They were hostile, and not identified as S.H.I.E.L.D. agents at the time. Coulson could not remember any relationship with them.

Killing hostiles in self-defense and slaying innocent cops

If I remember, the episode pretty deliberately shows the officers moving around on the ground.
 

Zen

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What a horribly cheesey episode.....

Episode had some of the darker moments in the series yet... I dont see what was cheesy about it (in a bad way). The car drop was one of the most unexpected (due to budget etc) and now memorable moments in the series for me. It felt lik something we would have seen from one of the films.

If I remember, the episode pretty deliberately shows the officers moving around on the ground.

And they did intend to give medical attention to them (the guards), but they both died quickly.

Also if it really was a SHIELD base and Coulson was the managing director of the project, then the guards were even stupider than they seemed originally.

I'm still wondering about this as well. My theory: May is called to a mission where a Kree has been sighted, they bang, May covers everything up but poops out a baby, Skye is her kid, both of them were into the same guy.

Classic family stuff.

Huh, maybe. Feels kind of cliche, but you never know.
 
The Nazi thing was the best dialogue and I'm glad it was because that confrontation was the climax of the episode. That was both hilarious and damning.
 

Zen

Banned
I find it weird that people expect perfect effects out of network TV trying to do stuff like this. What fun is TV if you take it so super seriously all the time anyway. Besides this show is not trying to be Breaking Bad. It is suppose to be cheesy and light in comparison.

Episode was good imo.

And Nathan from Heroes did a good job, hopefully we see more of him.
 

Khezu

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I think the show has gotten a lot better.

That said though, I still don't really like any of the characters that much.
Ward got a lot better when he turned evil and started hanging out with Garret, but that also means he's not long for this world.
Sky is less obnoxious.
May is just a female Ward.
Fitz and Simmons are the most interesting, but they still feel like 3rd rate knock off Buffy characters.
Trip is like an even more bland Ward.
 

Altazor

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great episode. I can't believe how much better this show has gotten since the Hydra plot-twist. This kind of quality is what I was expecting from the start - such a shame that it took them aprox. 15 episodes to finally make it work. I would be sad if it isn't renewed, I think they've earned it lately.
The cast finally has chemistry together, even the acting is better and guest actors have been good too (can we please make Maria Hill a regular next season? PLEASE? She's hot and kickass).

Loved the Nazi Red Skull line. Chloe Bennet's acting (and Skye as a character) has also been improving with every week.

Also, "huh..."
 

Carbonox

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Loved this episode. It was funny, tense and very enjoyable to watch. The Project TAHITI revelation being all about the Avengers was a nice touch too. Wonder if this little tidbit would ever make its way to them by way of information acquisition in the movies. "YOU WANTED TO DO WHAT TO US?!" hehe.

Seriously though, I was ready to be done with this show before The Winter Soldier came in and threw everything out. Good stuff. Been nothing but great since.

Should totally rename the show Agents of Stark next season.............

Naw but it would be interesting to see how SHIELD is brought back as an organization or if they keep it 100% private using Stark as the benefactor so they can still go about their business but have a reliable backer who has the power and wealth to keep them at arm's length from governments, etc.

Whatever, I'm going off on one now.
 

Sadist

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Agents of ... huh?

Best episode yet. Can't believe how the series turned around the way it did. I'm very pleased about it. I did laugh a bit about Fitz raging about the Ward thing, but everything else was solid. I'm totally ready for the finale.
 
Saw this today:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/461618780997959681[/tweet]

It's been suggested before, but I really hope it's not true. Taskmaster is a character that is incredibly rich with personality, and normally not directly involved with Hydra (only indirectly by training their goons and such).
Taskmaster without his big mouth just doesn't do it for me.
 
Saw this speculation today:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/461618780997959681[/tweet]

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Yeah, I remember early in the series long before the Hydra twist, with all the Skye= Jessica Drew speculation, Ward really seemed to really fit the role of being Taskmaster. Only problem being there's nothing to suggest his awesome muscle memory abilities. If they introduced him as Taskmaster without those I'd be very disappointed.
 
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Yeah, I remember early in the series long before the Hydra twist, with all the Skye= Jessica Drew speculation, Ward really seemed to really fit the role of being Taskmaster. Only problem being there's nothing to suggest his awesome muscle memory abilities. If they introduced him as Taskmaster without those I'd be very disappointed.

That's my main issue with that theory as well. They've done nothing as far as I know that hints at those abilities besides him being a proficient fighter, but that's way too generic. Never got why the Jessica Drew stuff took off.
 

kirblar

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That's my main issue with that theory as well. They've done nothing as far as I know that hints at those abilities besides him being a proficient fighter, but that's way too generic. Never got why the Jessica Drew stuff took off.
It's similar enough (rescued as a kid after being experimented on) that it would fit right in.

And whoa, holy crap-
After Jessica's parents disappear under mysterious circumstances, Jessica is recruited into HYDRA (under false pretenses), where she is made into a formidable fighter and assassin. She is trained and mentored by Taskmaster, who schools her in many martial disciplines and more than seven different fighting styles out of his own "arsenal".
 

RetroMG

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Scenario 1: Ward dies. There is much rejoicing. Yay.

Scenario 2: Ward lives, tries to rejoin the team but is rebuffed. Spends the rest of his time on the series as an anti-hero/anti-villain whose loyalties are unclear and shift from episode to episode. Sometimes he's opposing Coulson, sometimes they're forced to work together.

I'd be good with either of these, though I kind of prefer 2. While I can't realistically accept that Ward could rejoin the good guys, I think killing him off is a little too easy too.
 

kirblar

Member
Villain Ward >>>>>>>> Bland White Knight Ward

so I would be surprisingly ok with this after wanting him to be dead by the end of the season previously.
 

enzo_gt

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Scenario 1: Ward dies. There is much rejoicing. Yay.

Scenario 2: Ward lives, tries to rejoin the team but is rebuffed. Spends the rest of his time on the series as an anti-hero/anti-villain whose loyalties are unclear and shift from episode to episode. Sometimes he's opposing Coulson, sometimes they're forced to work together.

I'd be good with either of these, though I kind of prefer 2. While I can't realistically accept that Ward could rejoin the good guys, I think killing him off is a little too easy too.
I'd rather him dead than this stretched out much longer. Not usually a fan of those characters that skim the line either, especially when they're forced back into the picture to remind you they were important at some point and you could care less now that they're constantly fluctuating.

I agree that Psych Ward is much better than Vanilla Ward though.

will coulson be in the avenger 2 movie ? i miss his movie parts

maria hill full time season 2 do it she was awesome
I don't think he is announced to be back, but he should be.
 
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