what size?
If 55", the Sony 55W900 is a much better TV
If 65" one of the Sony 4K models
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If 55", the Sony 55W900 is a much better TV
If 65" one of the Sony 4K models
velociraptor
Junior Member
I don't understand this curved TVs obsession. Seems like an awful gimmick.
That Sony looks great but I don't like how it has huge speakers on the side - already have a 5.1 setup in the living room!
Septimus Prime
Member
Just ordered a 65" Sony XBR-850A. Super excited! Can't wait!
Regarding curved displays, there was an article on Ars Technica about them fairly recently. The takeaway for me (which lines up with my brief experience with an in-store display) is that the picture looks bigger if you're directly in front of it, but if you're at an angle, your picture looks askew.
Regarding curved displays, there was an article on Ars Technica about them fairly recently. The takeaway for me (which lines up with my brief experience with an in-store display) is that the picture looks bigger if you're directly in front of it, but if you're at an angle, your picture looks askew.
Wait until you have seen one in person. The only negative is that you can't wall mount them easily(yet).
I can't find a w900 anywhere
and which 4k sony? I'm so confused about the new 2014 models :/
Pagusas
Elden Member
They make a model without them, that's cheaper, same display and tech otherwise.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Which one is it? Link?
Is that almost like the new version of the w900a from last year?
Septimus Prime
Member
The only differences between the 900 and 850 series are apparently the side speakers and the glossiness of the screen. I went for the 850, since I don't want the extra speakers of the 900.
Any idea whats the input lag of the 850?
40ms
wow, compared to last years model that's a huge diff. that's sad...
The 900A has passive 3d while the 850A has active 3d as well.
The 55x900A has 540p passive 3d while the 65x900A has 1080p passive 3d.
The 2014 models have switched this more or less
Most 850B's have passive 3d while the 900As have active 3d
Sony X850. It's essentially the w900 in a 65" size but at 4K resolution.
Xander Crews
Member
If you missed out on the Sony w900a, take a look at this year's w800b. It apparently uses the same panel in the 900a, while the display that replaced the 900a uses an IPS panel with horrid black levels.
So... Help, please?
If my budget is $1300 and I don't care about 3-D, 4K, or having a smart TV with apps or Wi-Fi, what is the absolute best 60 inch+ 1080P LED TV I could get? I will basically just be using it to watch Blu-rays and play PlayStation 4 on.
I'm not super into TV tech, so please let me know if I can pretty much accomplish what I want for under $1000; but I definitely want the best bare-bones 1080P LED TV I can get.
Thanks!
If my budget is $1300 and I don't care about 3-D, 4K, or having a smart TV with apps or Wi-Fi, what is the absolute best 60 inch+ 1080P LED TV I could get? I will basically just be using it to watch Blu-rays and play PlayStation 4 on.
I'm not super into TV tech, so please let me know if I can pretty much accomplish what I want for under $1000; but I definitely want the best bare-bones 1080P LED TV I can get.
Thanks!
I've seen the LG OLED one in person. The curve brings nothing to the viewing experience. Absolutely nothing.
Is this true? How do the W905A and the W850B compare, all things considered, not just the panel?
Killroyskbg
Member
No its not the same displays there are several differences. The new 850b is also most likely a downgrade from last years 850a so I would rather pick that up.
Killroyskbg
Member
I would seriously recommend you to pick up the new B if you have the cash since it seems to both bet the A in picture and sound quality as well as it supports the new streaming format which the old one does not. The only benefit the A seem to have is if you prefer passive over active 3D.
Ehh, better to pick up a 4k streaming box when they're available and pocket the $1k+ difference between the sets.
michaelius
Banned
Isn't it 120 Hz vs 240 hz panel and no triluminous ?
Cuban Legend
Member
I'm looking for the most affordable HDMI 2.0 4K TV... anyone have any words on the Seiki models? I know they don't have HDMI 2.0 yet, would it be worth it to wait for them to upgrade to that so I can do 4K at 60hz?
Or should I just be smart and wait for 4K @ 120hz?
Those 2 TVs are much identical other than the side speakers, the glass front, and the Active 3D vs the passive 3D.
I own the XBR-65X900A.
If you like 3D, the XBR-65X900A is pretty much the best 3D TV out there. And if you don't like 3D, the 65X900A might make you like it! Zero cross talk due to the passive 3D, plus you get a full 1080p going to each eye. The 55X900A is slightly worse because the polarizer is half the resolution of the 65" version for some reason.
40ms of lag is actually pretty good, just not as incredible as the 13ms of the recent Sony 1080p TVs. But before those TVs came out, 40ms was considered quite good.
I wouldn't look at a Samsung. Those TVs seem to have a lot of firmware issues. Bugs like the TV won't turn on unless you unplug it, Netflix not working, etc... I've been following the threads on AVSForum.
psychotron
Member
I'll keep my Panny plasma as long as it keeps working. I have no idea what I'm going to do after that, because I've been a plasma owner for years.
The 4k upscale on Sony sets is pretty good. Also as the poster above said, Passive 3D at full 1080p looks absolutely stunning on the 65x900a
apparently, a lot of their profits come from 4K TVs now, and they are significant part of revenues right now... no wonder everyone is releasing them this year.
Killroyskbg
Member
Well the Sony streamer have a lot of 4k films right now and more gets added all the time. Also the upscaling and alot of other things are really good in the new 9000b take this review for instance.http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd55x9005b-201405123771.htm
Like they say if you are an enthusiast why not.
notoccupanther
Member
4KTV Tech is still 3 - 5 years away to be fully realised proper methinks .. .but this is somewhat of a bargain no? Xiaomi's 49-inch Android TV boasts 4K for just $640
WHat does TVGaf know of Xiaomi?
WHat does TVGaf know of Xiaomi?
I'll just bump this once.
mitchman
Gold Member
Well, Netflix has UHD support now and other shows and services will follow. As I see it, if you want a high end TV this year, you might as well get a 4k set that can last a bit. I did.
FrankNitty
Member
look at http://www.xrite.com/i1display-pro
or this
http://color.spectracal.com/c6-colorimeter.html
these have better low light reading and are fairly fast with measurements. you will need that low light reading for the ZT60
for some reason, a lot of sites dont even mention 200+ movies on the streamer just Netflix 4K
The X-Rite seems to be option more approachable option with my budget at 224.
Generally speaking, how does calibrating work with these devices? As I understand it, all of these things come with software that walks you through calibrating your display. But does the software ask you to default your display's settings, and then make changes to how the computer displays colors - or are you just tweaking things within display's menus, and waiting for the the colorimeter to show a green light after you tweak one setting and then you move on to the next? I'd assume them to work like the latter example, but as previously stated I'm a complete novice with these.
And in the case of my living room TV, which isn't hooked up to a computer - I assume I would have to do the calibrating with laptop or drag a desktop PC with the software installed and hook it up, right? Also, to which standards should one generally calibrate these displays to for (entertainment purposes, not dealing with print media or such), and does the software included with a lot of these walk you through what you should be doing with each setting?
/walloftext, Thanks for the reply.
Kanuuna, I'm currently researching the same thing, so I can relate to the confusion. From what I've gathered so far ...
When it comes to PC monitors and popular colorimeters (with software) like the Spyder4, it's generally all done automatically, at the press of a single button. No need for manual tweaking via the monitor's menus, since the colorimeter/software has full access to the display.
Yeah, but in this case, you'd still have to tweak everything (to get the right white balance, color accuracy, etc ...) by hand and tinker with a myriad of picture settings on your TV, since for some reason most TVs, even flagship models, don't support AutoCal (ISFccc). Your ZT60 does, btw, so you're good to go there. Your Sony W653 doesn't. You'd have calibrate it manually. The software included with something like the Spyder4TV HD will help you do just that. It's probably not as easy as it sounds though, at least if you want to get your TV to near perfect levels, as that will likely include tinkering with stuff that's under the hood (service menu). There's a right way to go about calibrating a display, which I guess is why there are ISF and THX-certified calibration technicians out there.
I don't think there are really 'different' standards. You want your TV to display colors, including black and white or greyscale, that are as close as possible to 'reference' (ISF?) levels. As I understand it, THX is not really a standard per se, it's a certificate that attestates that your TV actually meets those reference levels or is very close anyway.
Take a look here ...
Greyscale & color calibration for dummies
CalMAN 5 Tutorial for Novice Calibrators
P.S. I might be COMPLETELY wrong about everything. I don't really know what I'm talking about.
Not yet, anyway.
When it comes to PC monitors and popular colorimeters (with software) like the Spyder4, it's generally all done automatically, at the press of a single button. No need for manual tweaking via the monitor's menus, since the colorimeter/software has full access to the display.
Yeah, but in this case, you'd still have to tweak everything (to get the right white balance, color accuracy, etc ...) by hand and tinker with a myriad of picture settings on your TV, since for some reason most TVs, even flagship models, don't support AutoCal (ISFccc). Your ZT60 does, btw, so you're good to go there. Your Sony W653 doesn't. You'd have calibrate it manually. The software included with something like the Spyder4TV HD will help you do just that. It's probably not as easy as it sounds though, at least if you want to get your TV to near perfect levels, as that will likely include tinkering with stuff that's under the hood (service menu). There's a right way to go about calibrating a display, which I guess is why there are ISF and THX-certified calibration technicians out there.
I don't think there are really 'different' standards. You want your TV to display colors, including black and white or greyscale, that are as close as possible to 'reference' (ISF?) levels. As I understand it, THX is not really a standard per se, it's a certificate that attestates that your TV actually meets those reference levels or is very close anyway.
Take a look here ...
Greyscale & color calibration for dummies
CalMAN 5 Tutorial for Novice Calibrators
P.S. I might be COMPLETELY wrong about everything. I don't really know what I'm talking about.
Not yet, anyway.Wolfgang Jr
Banned
That guy has no idea what he's talking about.
FrankNitty
Member
You are manually calibrating the display. Any software it comes with is not something you would use unless you got it from curtpalme, spectra, etc. Then it would come with either calman, or chormapure. Both good solid products. You also have HCFR which is free but you may or may not be able to find a profile for the meter. (Profiled meaning it has the offsets of a reference meter used to calibrate X type of display)
The meter can be either contact or non contact. meaning it is either touching screen or it can sit away. With these you would touch the screen. You then go through and do a prilimnary to see where you are at with measurements. You then start your calibration. Some programs have a workflow in place but you cannot always follow a workflow. Sometimes you have to do certain things you wouldnt normally do to get a good calibration. ZT60 is one for example. Like when I calibrated them I did the basics first, then did a CMS with APL patterns, then standard 12 or 10% with 100% lum/sat, then did grayscale, then did cms pass again with 75% lum/sat 10% windows. Reason why is because red dE was too high. that was the only way I found to fix it.
Anyways you take a measurement and see the effect and just go one by one. If you are doing panasonics I recommend getting control cal as the GUI is great for making adjustments on your laptop, because the on screen gui of the display throws off readings and makes calibrations long. No green light or anything to tell you when you are done lol.
They do a pretty good job of hand holding i guess. I learned how about 5 years ago, maybe 6 with HCFR and a eye one pro lol. No hand holding or guides or anything. all trial and error and some tips from AVS. Now I have like 4 meters, multiple software, and do it on occasion for extra cash.
Also if you do isf you dont have to worry about the service menu unless you are changing the actual base of color temp or calibrating THX mode. Which if you havent been in there before I would suggest stay out of the service menu. Like I only go into the service menus of pioneers, panasonics, samsungs, and LG's cause im comfortable with them and know how to navigate them. if you are confident give it a whirl if you arent stay out of there lol.
Alos you calibrate to either video or pc so limted (video) or full (pc). thats really the only 2 options outside of rec709 and rec601 (hd or sd)
Here is the calibration I did for my ZT the before was a 3rd pass I think, then I settled on my 4th and final though I have a few different professional settings to choose from
http://www.avsforum.com/content/type/61/id/261656/
http://cdn.avsforum.com/6/67/67047548_z6xh.jpeg
http://cdn.avsforum.com/d/d1/d1f0924e_yvkn.jpeg
Hi GAF tv experts.
I'm in the market for a new tv set, and I was wondering what Gaf felt were some of the best sets and features- for gaming sp mostly and watching blu-rays.
I know OLED is huge, but looking at Best Buy, they start at around 6,500$ and that's just out of my price range and too rich for my blood.
I'm looking for a price range of 2,500$ or below.
So, I started looking at LEDs and mainly Sony. And I was thinking I wanted 240 hz- I heard that eases the motion blur and ghosting found in 30 fps games.
Which all actually led me to a Samsung 4k within this price range.
Will 4k on the tv up-convert games to 4k? If so, how does it look?
Do I really want 240 hz? Or 120? Or when it comes to games they're the same as 60 hz? Don't the hz help 30 fps- regardless of most tvs 'Game mode'?
The input latency of 30 milis or less and all that is another factor I know. But its not front and center to me as long as its reasonable.
So is LED what I should want since Panasonic are no longer making Plasmas?
Is Sony the brand I want over Samsung and the rest?
Please help. Thanks in advance!
I'm in the market for a new tv set, and I was wondering what Gaf felt were some of the best sets and features- for gaming sp mostly and watching blu-rays.
I know OLED is huge, but looking at Best Buy, they start at around 6,500$ and that's just out of my price range and too rich for my blood.
I'm looking for a price range of 2,500$ or below.
So, I started looking at LEDs and mainly Sony. And I was thinking I wanted 240 hz- I heard that eases the motion blur and ghosting found in 30 fps games.
Which all actually led me to a Samsung 4k within this price range.
Will 4k on the tv up-convert games to 4k? If so, how does it look?
Do I really want 240 hz? Or 120? Or when it comes to games they're the same as 60 hz? Don't the hz help 30 fps- regardless of most tvs 'Game mode'?
The input latency of 30 milis or less and all that is another factor I know. But its not front and center to me as long as its reasonable.
So is LED what I should want since Panasonic are no longer making Plasmas?
Is Sony the brand I want over Samsung and the rest?
Please help. Thanks in advance!