Ubisoft: "We won't be showing off any Nintendo games at E3 this year"
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Psycho_Mantis
Banned
This explains everything.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
ME3 WiiU is about the most egregious example of Sent To Die from a publisher I have seen in literally years.
The end result is the same though. Nintendo gets caught in the crossfire of two other companies who like to play dirty pool with marketing money.
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You have an interesting definition of what AAA entails.
Also note, even from your own list:
- Western third party contributions
- the Wii didn't get 2 exclusive REs, it got two exclusive RE spin offs.
- CoD (the only legitimate entry in that list) was a million seller.
I was trying to avoid using the word toy because some people are touchy about it.
What I meant was instead of trying to launch platforms, they should launch products which are expandable in of themselves. Take the Wii for example. The Wii is a platform, with a pack-in game, WiiSports, but for many people, it was essentially just a WiiSports box with other titles.
The Wii was kind of the definitive Nintendo release, in that the must play experience was completely integral to the unique control interface, and was packed in with the system. I think what we'll see from Nintendo is that concept taken to an even greater degree. Their QoL system will be a 'console', in the sense it will be a box that you plug into your TV and it lets you interact, but I think it'll be the complete fitness and health package, with the ability to download additional software.
Nintendo can't compete with Sony and MS, and they don't have the internal bandwidth to even support the two platforms they have, it'd only get worse when the production demands increase with the available performance. I think they'd prefer to essentially completely remove themselves from the running instead of going third party.
Personally, I'd rather they just go third party, but I don't think they will.
tali'zorah84
Member
what will I ever do without my shitty after-thought ports and sloppy new IPs
I think the biggest problem is I very much doubt Nintendo execs actually question why third parties in the West and Japan have not supported the Wii U?
Until Nintendo ask themselves why do third party games struggle to sell on our platforms? and Why are third parties so reluctant to support our platform? Nothing will change.
The truth of the matter is if the Wii U was a success and Nintendos 1st party software was selling then they wouldnt give a damn if the third party games bombed and thats a problem.
Nintendo have to acknowledge that third parties are a key stakeholder and to treat them as an afterthought like the past is not an option anymore.
Until Nintendo ask themselves why do third party games struggle to sell on our platforms? and Why are third parties so reluctant to support our platform? Nothing will change.
The truth of the matter is if the Wii U was a success and Nintendos 1st party software was selling then they wouldnt give a damn if the third party games bombed and thats a problem.
Nintendo have to acknowledge that third parties are a key stakeholder and to treat them as an afterthought like the past is not an option anymore.
AC4, Splinter Cell Black List, Rayman Legends and Just Dance last year were more than fine, but WiiU owners didn't give a Damn.... So why should Ubi?
Wasn't Rayman WiiU the best selling console version?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I'd say those three games beat what we've seen from virtually every other third party in recent times.
JordanN
Banned
The Wii was an overclocked Gamecube. That's as AAA it was ever going to get.
If you want more Western Support, Rockstar gave it Bully and Manhunt 2.
shinra-bansho
Member
Play dirty? Good grief. Nintendo isn't some damsel in distress or child being picked on in the playground. It's a business with something like $8B in cash and equivalents at their disposal.
Let's not forget that Ubisoft announced that the Wii U version of the game wouldn't be getting any DLC. Which means, the group that this game is targeted at would end up with an inferior version of the game. If people have to choose, then there's no real reason to jump on the Wii U version. No real special editions, either. All other versions got everything.
I am not even intested but I still hope they won't make too much loss. The development time seems pretty expensive to me and in times like these we don't need another developer struggling too much.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Do you feel this way because you've seen a couple others mention this back when the sky was supposedly falling for the console industry? The PS4 is blowing everything ever out of the water, and yet it's not going to sell as many units as it's poorest selling (it's not that poor) console?
I mean, anything's possible but it sounds like wishful thinking more than anything else.
Mithos
Member
Game as a whole sold "shit", but the Wii U version sold as much as Xbox360 and PS3 versions did together, ~45% of all sold game copies was on Wii U.
But you just watch Ubisoft announce the new Rayman game on all consoles except Wii U.
Always remember the Virtual Boy.
Even if Nintendo released a console and forgot to put any consoles in the boxes it'll do better than that.
Metallix87
Member
They put a lot of effort compared to the others, but not a lot on the whole.
Late to the party, eh? Zombies are not niche, but survival horror on the whole is.
Games like Rayman will also continue coming to WiiU - same as Just Dance, everything else isn't worth it.
Metallix87
Member
Considering we're questioning if the next Just Dance is coming to Wii U...
DarkCronos
Member
damn, so we can really say goodbye to western developed Wii U games. I tried to do my part, I bought ZombiU, Rayman Legends, Splinter Cell Blacklist, Just Dance 4, Just Dance 2014 (and a ton of DLCs), Your Shape fitness 2013 and as far as download only games, Cloudberry Kingdom and Child of Light, all on Wii U. But i'm only one person, i can't blame Ubisoft if the majority of Wii U gamers didn't give a damn about their games. Well, i still have my Watch Dogs Wii U preorder, i hope the game comes out sooner or later... 
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
It only launched alongside GTA V on PS3 and 360. Not exactly major competition for a game like Rayman, but it's something to consider when touting how it sold best on a console with no competing releases.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I guess Koei didn't get the message with that new Fatal Frame announcement. Big mistake.
MisterGrey3000
Member
Rayman Origins flopped on the 360 and PS3 without any big games stealing it's spotlight.
Those two platforms were never very healthy for platforming games.
I'd be surprised if they announced a new Rayman at all.
It's funded and to be published by Nintendo. Tecmo Koei is not that stupid to throw out money for a Wii U exclusive Fatal Frame.
November '11 had no big games?
November is the biggest gaming month every year.
Metallix87
Member
Nintendo is bankrolling it.
MisterGrey3000
Member
My mistake.
However, that still doesn't change the fact that most retail platformers flopped on the 360/PS3. The market just wasn't there, and MS/SONY didn't care. It makes sense that Rayman Legends still sold better on the flopping WiiU.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Many people called it a long time ago, but Nintendo's decision to have a system only incrementally more powerful than Sony and MS last gen systems was going to cause third parties to not show up again at some point.
As soon as the specs for the Wii U were known people knew there was no way it was going to get the next Fall Out, Elder Scrolls, GTA, Battlefield, Batman, Mass Effect, Destiny, Assassin's Creed, and so many other games. It wouldn't have mattered if the Wii U somehow did Wii numbers, because those games didn't exist on the Wii either.
How Nintendo could not have forecasted this, I will never know.
As soon as the specs for the Wii U were known people knew there was no way it was going to get the next Fall Out, Elder Scrolls, GTA, Battlefield, Batman, Mass Effect, Destiny, Assassin's Creed, and so many other games. It wouldn't have mattered if the Wii U somehow did Wii numbers, because those games didn't exist on the Wii either.
How Nintendo could not have forecasted this, I will never know.
Retail is the key word there, yes, they did, because presumably people don't see them as good value, when Super Meat Boy and N+ are dirt cheap and significantly better than Rayman, people aren't going to look on it kindly, especially when they're also buying Halo, Uncharted, CoD, Skyrim, Batman, Gears, Battlefield, and whatever else shipped at the same time.
It's not that the audience isn't there, it's that the software isn't. Mario 3D World would sell huge on PS360. It's a whole other class compared to the best of the genre on those systems.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
No it wouldn't; BK:N&B bombed on the 360 with a huge userbase and a big marketing push from MS. Max doesn't appear to have sold very well on the Xbone, even to that desperate for titles launch drought audience. The Sly HD collection sold poorly on the PS3, tearaway sold like crap on the Vita, etc etc etc.
Yes, Mario is the pinnacle of the platforming genre, but the platforming genre is self-evidently not what PS4 / Xbone early adopters want to play.
To be fair, I've yet to play a platformer that is as accessible and well done as Mario titles. I tried Super Meat Boy, Banjo-Kazooie HD and the Sly HD Collection and don't think they are comparable. As a huge Mario Galaxy fan, I found especially Banjo-Kazooie HD just mediocre despite it receiving relatively good reviews.
Those are truly awful examples:
- BK:N&B is firstly shit, but more importantly, not really much of a platformer at all.
- Max was met with very middling critical response, and I don't agree there was such a launch drought that it would help, the XBO still launched with a few major exclusives and the obvious yearly stuff, AssCreed, CoD, BF, etc.
- Sly HD was bad.
- Tearaway isn't on PS3 or 360, the Vita is a dead platform.
LittleBigPlanet sold extremely well, so did Super Meat Boy for an XBL title. The audience is there, they're just not being served by the industry. Even LBP is crap really, but people at least wanted it to be great.
Saying platformers don't sell on the main consoles by citing those games is like using TimeShift and HomeFront to say shooters don't sell on them.
kingkaiser
Member
I wouldn't be so sure about a game like 3D World selling significantly better numbers on PS360 than on WiiU, to be honest.
I mean sure, the brand is way bigger than the said Playstation exclusives, but still the audience on PS360, in my opinion, is not willing to spent more than 20 bucks for a platform game, let alone 60 bucks...
damn, so we can really say goodbye to western developed Wii U games. I tried to do my part, I bought ZombiU, Rayman Legends, Splinter Cell Blacklist, Just Dance 4, Just Dance 2014 (and a ton of DLCs), Your Shape fitness 2013 and as far as download only games, Cloudberry Kingdom and Child of Light, all on Wii U. But i'm only one person, i can't blame Ubisoft if the majority of Wii U gamers didn't give a damn about their games. Well, i still have my Watch Dogs Wii U preorder, i hope the game comes out sooner or later...
Well...if you ignore the few hundred announced indie games..
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Ratchet and Clank
Little Big Planet
Heck even Sly 4 did okay iirc
Theres an audience. The software however is not there.
Metallix87
Member
Maybe Sony and Microsoft should try harder to make software for that audience?
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
I don't think SMB did sell particularly well on XBLA given how vocally disappointed Team Meat were with their entire dealings with MS.
LBP had an extremely big push, but is still not considered a top-tier Sony IP (and I'd be surprised if LBP3 is announced anytime soon).
Platform fans were extremely critical of its 'floatiness' too, which is a shame, because I actually liked it.
What it did have is a solid platform for UGC, and one of the better and more memorable mascots introduced since the SNES era, and probably the best mascot character Sony have ever introduced. Really, they should have doubled down and had Playstation Home use Sackboys and gone full on second life with it.
Ironic given the topic to bring up sales of mediocre ports or average games justifying not releasing better titles on a platform.
EDIT:
Ratchet and Clank is about as much of a platformer as Jet Force Gemini is.
LBP had an incredible push, and at a time when PS only owners were really hurting for exclusives.
Sly 4 didn't do okay.
JordanN
Banned
This is the important part.
The developers who rivaled Nintendo in platformers either moved on (i.e Naughty Dog) or don't know what to do (ex: SEGA).
Someone needs to make a honest to god "Mario Galaxy" or "Mario 64" clone on PS3/360/PS4/XBO. Then we might see some real numbers.
kingkaiser
Member
LBP 2 on the other hand sold only half of that.So it's an declining franchise already. The first game sold well on hype and novelty alone.
I will give you the good sales of the Ratchet&Clank sereis on Playstation consoles, though. But I do not think the platforming audience is big enough overall, for the Nintendo franchises to grow in sales. Maybe when they start to make smaller, cheaper games, but not for full price...not anymore.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
We shall see if they do.
With the RC movie and Sly movie I think it may show that those series will make their onto PS4.
Media Molecule are most likely working on a platformer.
SCEJ also seems to be delving into the platformer genre with Puppeteer and Knack.
I think its looking pretty good for that audience.
There is also a tonne of Indie games coming as well.
royox
Member
Only the 1st month. PS3 version outsold it later.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I agree, but there's no denying that the game was facing different situations at release. Would the Wii U version have sold as well as it did if it was also getting GTA V, Diablo 3, and Dead or Alive 5 Ultimate? Probably not.
DeuceGamer
Member
Agreed. At this point I can't see the Wii U being any sort of mainstream success. Nintendo needs to use the Wii U as a platform to regain momentum with gamers and Third Party Publishers going into their next home console. Even if that means going against some of their previous beliefs and money-hatting multi-plats or whatever else it may take. They need to start getting as many multiplats on their console the same day it releases on X360/PS3 (also PS4/Xbone multiplats if ANY are possible somehow). That should be their top priority so the next console doesn't suffer the same fate. If they can do this and squeeze out some sort of profit that would have to be gauged as a major success in my eyes.
With their next handheld and console sharing architecture they should have a lot easier time supporting multiple platforms with their First Party software. That's a good start but they really need Third Partiex behind their next platform.
Let's also not forget that the Wii U didn't have the infrastructure to support DLC at launch.
Metallix87
Member
It wasn't facing any competition, yet it was needlessly delayed to the Fall to not sour the PS3 & 360 audiences.
That sure worked out well for them.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
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