In defense of the "filmic" look.
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Real life doesn't have a frame rate. I hope you don't think 24fps is lifelike.
Do you really want a game that emulates the cinematic experience? Come on now.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
24fps is standard because it was the cheapest middle ground in the early days of cinema and TV. Not because it looks more natural.
No definitive numbers exist but tests with air force pilots have show they are capable of processing information at 220fps.
24fps for TV is only smooth because of motion blur and conditioning. some reading material
I know it doesn't have a dramerate this isn't a videogame. But it feels like one at 24fps with like super shampling and motion blar
polyh3dron
Banned
I like the HFR Hobbit movies and would actually like movies in general to be a higher frame rate. It allows for quicker camera movement like those awesome moments in said movies.
But then again, I'm not a Luddite.
But then again, I'm not a Luddite.
Dr_Boris_Goltz
Banned
I'm seriously SHOCKED that anyone would prefer a video game in sub 60 FPS.
I feel like Ozymandias with Rorschach's journal... It's just something I did not comprehend.
I feel like Ozymandias with Rorschach's journal... It's just something I did not comprehend.
Now to be fair, that appears to be a framerate generated without the normal optical blurring that characterizes what people mean when they're talking about a filmic look.
When in Rome
RSB
Banned
What are you talking about? Movies can look absolutely amazing at higher framerates.
An Unexpected Journey looked amazing at 48fps, and I'm sure it could have looked even better at a higher framerate (60fps or more) Best looking movie I've ever seen, easily. I'm still mad at Peter Jackson for what he did with The Desolation of Smaug, making the 48fps version look shitty on purpose so it would look more like a classic 24fps movie. Disgusting.
That said, I'm of the opinion that game creators should do whatever they think is best for their game, even if I don't agree with their choices, and that includes targeting 30fps instead of 60. Because, at the end of the day, I'm free to not buy their games.
An Unexpected Journey looked amazing at 48fps, and I'm sure it could have looked even better at a higher framerate (60fps or more) Best looking movie I've ever seen, easily. I'm still mad at Peter Jackson for what he did with The Desolation of Smaug, making the 48fps version look shitty on purpose so it would look more like a classic 24fps movie. Disgusting.
That said, I'm of the opinion that game creators should do whatever they think is best for their game, even if I don't agree with their choices, and that includes targeting 30fps instead of 60. Because, at the end of the day, I'm free to not buy their games.
Delta Assault
Member
Um, can I have the cinematic experience of 4K resolution and perfect anti-aliasing, but keep the 60 fps? That'd be pretty good...
Again, I feel this is just notalgia tlaking. How do you know 60 FPS films won't develop new techniques, new ways of creating completley new "movie magic".
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
But is it a "buttery smooth" 24?
Karsticles
Member
Developers that preach 30fps for a cinematic feel just save me time. There's no need to research a game that isn't even centered around its gameplay.
I long for the day when 60fps (or 48fps) will be the standard in films as well.
I'm tired of the super-slow 24fps. Scenes in a forest (or elsewhere with vertical lines) where the camera moves horizontally? No longer headache inducing. Fast action scenes? No longer a huge blurry mess.
So much better. People are just reluctant to change.
I'm tired of the super-slow 24fps. Scenes in a forest (or elsewhere with vertical lines) where the camera moves horizontally? No longer headache inducing. Fast action scenes? No longer a huge blurry mess.
So much better. People are just reluctant to change.
SteveWinwood
Member
why the fuck are you defending this
its gross
its gross
To not believe any random tripe you read on the Internet about 24 fps being like real life.
Unless you have some messed up eyes.
Pretty sure if you actually saw real life at 24 fps one day, you would freak out and probably go insane.
VisceralBowl
Member
24FPS looks good with good motion blur - something very few games have.
I prefer a locked 30 or 60 with absolutely no dips. I notice slowdowns and tearing very easily so that bugs me. I am fine with 30FPS cutscenes (and think they look better generally), but do prefer gameplay to be 60FPS. I can deal with 30FPS gameplay if I need to.
I prefer a locked 30 or 60 with absolutely no dips. I notice slowdowns and tearing very easily so that bugs me. I am fine with 30FPS cutscenes (and think they look better generally), but do prefer gameplay to be 60FPS. I can deal with 30FPS gameplay if I need to.
Can you not comprehend why people prefer 24fps in movies?
Not reading the OP is bannable
throwawayname
Member
I'm a framerate whore and I'm proud.
Always reduce graphics to achieve 60fps crew.
Always reduce graphics to achieve 60fps crew.
CadetMahoney
Member
60fps/120fps > your favorite framerate
TitusGroan
Banned
Higher framerate is always, always preferable in games. It's not just about visuals, it's about the fact that controls are more responsive, as the game is reading control inputs at a quicker rate. Sure, games can be perfectly fine at 30fps, but no game will ever be worse off for having a higher framerate.
The sad thing is, we used to get plenty of games at 60fps back in the Xbox/Gamecube days, as well as in the SNES and Mega Drive era.
You need to get yourself to an optician son, because something is not right there.
The sad thing is, we used to get plenty of games at 60fps back in the Xbox/Gamecube days, as well as in the SNES and Mega Drive era.
You need to get yourself to an optician son, because something is not right there.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Baron von Loathsome
Member
Don't get me wrong, I'm okay with 30 FPS games, but these arguments...
SteveWinwood
Member
I read it. It's moronic. You don't control movies. Less fps directly impacts your ability to control the game. You're defending a practice that allows you to have shittier games.
You're arguing for all of us here to have worse experiences. Why do you hate us all?
uncleslappy
nethack is my favorite dark souls clone
This is a logical and well thought out counter argument. Thank you.
Can't wait to get a new monitor with variable refreshrate (FreeSync/Gsync), 120fps will be amazing
oh my god can we please stop comparing tv/film framerates to videogames?
it's apples to oranges
the way movies are shot is fundamentally different from a videogame. every frame of a movie is a picture taken on a single film cell. light is let onto the film for a duration of time and everything that happens is recorded. you naturally get motion blur from this
every frame from a videogame is spit it out completely 100% pure and perfect
it's apples to oranges
the way movies are shot is fundamentally different from a videogame. every frame of a movie is a picture taken on a single film cell. light is let onto the film for a duration of time and everything that happens is recorded. you naturally get motion blur from this
every frame from a videogame is spit it out completely 100% pure and perfect
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
What is "filmic" is only what we're used to.
If every film was made in 48fps like The Hobbit trilogy, then 48fps would be "filmic" and films at 24fps would look stuttery and dated - much like the 16fps silent films do today.
If every film was made in 48fps like The Hobbit trilogy, then 48fps would be "filmic" and films at 24fps would look stuttery and dated - much like the 16fps silent films do today.
What other reason besides reluctance to change?
Dr_Boris_Goltz
Banned
It's been mentioned a lot already but I'll reiterate that movies don't involve direct input.
Although in terms of film I do think The Hobbit looked incredible at 48 FPS and would not mind the majority of action oriented movies choosing it as a standard.
Edit: This is coming from somebody who prefers 120 FPS with video games, although it's not currently achievable on my build.
Now you just sound drunk.
And I have a question for you: which looks "more like real life": a movie, or a TV show?
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
No words.
With set refresh rates on modern displays, it's a simple thing to make a case for framerates above 30 but below 60 being problematic, to the degree that restricting a game to 30 can make sense for the sake of the user experience. I like to think that 60 fps should be the goal whenever possible, but your statement seems to overlook or disregard some practical concerns.
JJDinomite
Banned
There are people right now, here, on this very forum, that want all games to look like this.
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
Look at the control difference in some thing like DmC console vs PC at 60fps. It is almost laughable.
Neuromancer
Member
Life runs at infinite frames per second.
A single frame of film contains information, in the form of motion blur, as to what happened in the prior frame and what will happen in the next one. Our brains can easily interpret this into a smooth picture. A frame of a game is entirely static, unless artificial motion blur is applied. Unfortunately, artificial motion blur isn't a substitute for the real thing. That's why 24 fps works for film a lot better than it does or would for games.
Many physicists believe this to be untrue, due to the Planck Time. Therefore, life runs at 1/Planck Time frames per second.
Crossing Eden
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Don't know if you've heard the news, but games are NOT films. So that logic doesn't make any sense.
Your kidding right... do you know how much that destroys gameplay? ... I need to stay to the PC side of GAF. At least sanity when it comes to framerates is there.
ArkkAngel007
Member
Nope, always made sure my sets had most of the extra shit turned off. But again, it's not necessarily about the televisions as the clarity and output of the source content can be a bit overwhelming for some people. Think of having your nose stuffed up for a long period of time, and then suddenly everything is cleared up. Depending on where you are, it can be unpleasant to take in so much, even if the sensations are good and normally wouldn't be overbearing to everything else.
It's difficult to describe. I remember being a bit amazed at how clear things became when I made the transition to HD long before I met my wife, but I'm not sure if I personally had issues myself. Therefore I'm a bit limited to what I can say. I'll see if I can get her to describe it at some point.
Warm Machine
Member
I find a constant 60 is smoother than real life. As someone said, real life doesn't have a framerate. The eye and brain picks up info at what seems like different rates than anything particularly fixed. A pure black movie running at 200 frames per second with a single frame of white cut in is going to register with our eyes. That doesn't mean we see at 200fps constantly even though we saw the white frame. The eye also picks up tons of motion blur.
That said, for games 60 is always a better option than anything less. The awkwardness in movies comes from the ambient things that our eyes don't always get or are used to. Like how a smooth dolly shot in 24fps looks like it now has too many micro bumps in it. Or actors standing still but looking twitchy while doing so. Games can get over these very hand made errors.
That said, for games 60 is always a better option than anything less. The awkwardness in movies comes from the ambient things that our eyes don't always get or are used to. Like how a smooth dolly shot in 24fps looks like it now has too many micro bumps in it. Or actors standing still but looking twitchy while doing so. Games can get over these very hand made errors.