scoobs
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Hmmm so people don't buy Xboxs and Playstations to play Call of Duty? Interesting theory. It's 100% false, but interesting none the less.
The Order: 1886 Delayed Into 2015. [Stop talking about MS lineup]
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This has "Potentially too ambitious for its own good" written all over it. I don't expect to see this game until fall next year, at the earliest.
Son of Sam
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Abdul Hafeez
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This is an impossible dream: If, because of the extra time they have now, RaD decides to make this a 16:9 game, then the delay will have been worth it. But they will never do that at this point because the visuals would take a hit and the "downgrade brigade" would start parading everywhere.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Not quite. This is an interesting development, but I think people atm are undervaluing the role of 1st party exclusives and over-valuing the role of 3rd-party multiplats. I know when I got my PS1, I got it for the exclusives. Same for PS2. Same for PS3.
I personally buy consoles for unique, exclusive games to those consoles. 1st parties absolutely differentiate consoles...just not as much as in the past. The people showing concerns that Sony (and MS) are relying too much on 3rd parties to set the agenda for their systems...and aren't masking that behind uncalled-for game/studio/console bashing...aren't in the wrong. I also happen to be one of those people. If folks really want the top multiplats, they could go PC.
This isn't directed towards anyone in particular, but I'll just say: alright, there are some trolls who are gonna go hard to paint the PS4's line-up this year as terrible, taking prominent delays like this into account. We can shut that down without marginalizing the importance of 1st party content for the platforms, because they are important and delays like this hurt almost as much as they help.
There's no reason to think the delay will be DC levels of fucked. DC was obviously never going to be launch, they'd shown completely nothing, never had more than one car on the track at once, never hit 30fps, never detailed car/track counts, it was pure bullshit.
This is a story heavy single player game, it's not like they're going to add multiplayer or new levels during the delay, it's not going to get much prettier no matter how long they take. They just need to polish it up and tune the design a little. Feb/Marchish I expect.
This is a story heavy single player game, it's not like they're going to add multiplayer or new levels during the delay, it's not going to get much prettier no matter how long they take. They just need to polish it up and tune the design a little. Feb/Marchish I expect.
Assuming games are like any other software, which they undoubtedly are, it's mostly about fixing bugs. You wouldn't believe how many bugs can be found in bigger projects. The other big reason is underestimating the work time to reach a specific goal or setting unrealistic deadlines, a common management problem. "Polishing" is just the common PR excuse.
scoobs
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Eh, Infamous was delayed and it showed up on time. I would be shocked if it came out any later than May of 2015
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Queen of Hunting
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to be honest i think both sides of fans should wait till after e3 before shouting there mouths saying which console has better crap this fall
NullPointer
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The Infamous delay announcement came with an actual release date though.
mysteriousmage09
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Another 8-9 months......
Console gets way easy to develop for compared to the PS3, 1st parties are nowhere in sight.
What the hell happened to this?
Console gets way easy to develop for compared to the PS3, 1st parties are nowhere in sight.
What the hell happened to this?
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Uno Venova
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What do you mean what happened to it? Has any dev come out to refute that? Are the delays because of time to triangle problems?
Chinpoko_Master
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Nothing happened to that. Games might be easier to develop for PS4, but games generally take longer to develop with each generation that goes by.
TropicanaTwista
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Ugh, I hate that he said "early 2015" in other words, just sometime in 2015. Shinobi and someone else I believe said on twitter yesterday that its slated for Feb. I hope thats true.
Psycho_Mantis
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Hard to lose when you have the sequel to the best game ever.
Believe
You know, I've been joking about TLG being the 2014 title but if it was......
Did RAD say it was because of the Ps4's architecture?
Its more like to ensure their first big IP, and franchise, comes out in a state they are happy with.
Ease of development is just one part of the development process.
Regarding the studios, their 1st/2nd party developers are working on games, but we just haven't heard about them yet. I think people are going to be surprised by what they do at E3 (depending on if they save announcements for other events).
All the evidence you need is around you.
A bunch of new trademarks, SCE London Studios, Sony Bend, Guerrilla Cambridge, [URL="http://www.polygon.com/2014/2/25/5445438/guerrilla-games-has-been-working-on-their-new-ip-for-over-two-years"]Guerrilla Games[/URL], Media Molecule, Japan Studios, and Sumo Digital.
All of those studios except Guerilla Cambridge have unannounced games that were in development for at least 2 years.
BurnOutBrighter
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The Last of Us is coming
I already played that last year.
BurnOutBrighter
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Well it at least comes with the excpectation that it will be out in the first few months of the year.
Rogue_Ledr
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::Sigh::
They can play these games on any system. Exclusive games provide the incentive to favor one system over the other.
Otherwise, people should just choose XB1 over PS4 since they have the exclusive DLC promotions with that console for CoD.
Dragonborn
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Or they choose the PS4 since that has the best version of the big mutliplat games
Rogue_Ledr
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I still want Shuhei to be held accountable for that whole 30 WWS PS4 games and 20 in the first year myth.
You don't just get to make declarations like that and not be be challenged when it falters so miserably.
You don't just get to make declarations like that and not be be challenged when it falters so miserably.
zeopower6
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Can you just wait until E3? It hasn't been a year yet.
Rogue_Ledr
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As stated numerous times here and in other threads, I find it highly suspect and I remain incredibly skeptical that E3 will do much if anything to help the situation.
Look I would love to be proven wrong. I would even ecstatically admit that I was mistaken to try and controvert Sony.
However, let me ask you this: Do you honestly believe that E3 will boost the current fortunes of PS4's lineup in 2014? What will you say if E3 does nothing to aid the current lineup?
old
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Perfect.
Sony needs to spend a good chunk, if not the entirety, of E3 showing off what's coming this year. Like many, I don't buy a system until it already has numerous great games already out. The further they keep putting off these games the further they keep putting off my system purchase.
Chuck Norris
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I don't get the whole anguish over slight delays. Most people would have been happy if it release December 15. But if its February, the world is ending?
I mean what is the big difference? Delayed from 2014 to 2015 is not literally a year, it's a few months
I mean what is the big difference? Delayed from 2014 to 2015 is not literally a year, it's a few months
You will continue to ignore all the facts that's presented right in front of your face.
If you're looking trouble believing they can have more 1st/2nd party games for this year after the information I gave you, I don't know what else to tell you.
One thing to remember though. TLG and Uncharted are toss up 2014 titles. I already explained why Uncharted is one, but TLG will most likely have a short re-introduction --> release cycle. Based on how long the game was in development and Shu's comment about wanting to shorten the cycle.
zeopower6
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I just think anything's possible, really. If E3 doesn't help or add any games of significance, fine, Sony failed to deliver or whatever. But until then, I'm optimistic.
They even said it's only a few months. The launch date was probably slated to be October/November but now it's February (we think)... is that really much of a difference? :/
Chuck Norris
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Time to triangle is faster, but there are still a lot more triangles to develop /simplistic answer
Also time to triangle just refers to the time it takes to get the first "triangle" on screen, as in how long it takes to get the game running on hardware. It's quicker on PS4 than PS3, but there is still more development to do in general. Especially with added lighting, texturing, animation etc.
Rogue_Ledr
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Look I sincerely hope there is some real veracity in your claims. Hopefully E3 will improve things, but the recent vicissitudes of Sony's developers has left my faith shaken,
Hey look, I don't demand some incredibly robust lineup with a panoply of AAA exclusives from Sony this year. All I'm saying is give me more than just Driveclub and a Last of Us Remake please!
OK, fair enough!
Lets wait for E3 then. I just hope E3 can really rebound things for Sony's WWS. They need to maintain the positive momentum they've had if they want to foster the PS4's unprecedented sales.
First part of the spoiler isn't exactly what he was talking about..
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/28/cerny-ps4s-time-to-triangle-to-rival-ps1/
15:50 or so in that vid.
I think you're right with everything else though.
What claims? My post with all the links of what their studios are doing are facts. Seriously, go read them and look at how long it's been since those studios released games. Do that right now please. You're just not absorbing the knowledge for some strange reason. It's blowing my mind.
About the second part of your first sentence. The media really needs to learn how to report when people join studios. Why do we only hear when someone leaves? We have studios like Sony Bend, SCE Londons, and SSM (before and after the layoffs) who were/are hiring and there's no articles about the people who joined those studios.
Why would you speak with such reason?!
mysteriousmage09
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And we have already heard of studios making their tools friendly and easy to use for others outside of the programming circle. Epic Games for example was proudly demonstrating that with their latest engine and tools, if an animator wants to test something new in the game itself, they no longer have to go bug the programers to add the new animations to the rest of the game code just to test something, rather they can easily implement their new work for testing on their own. Therefore cutting back a ton of back and forth that was slowing down development beforehand.
If new tools like that are out in the open then those new techniques should be present in every dev studio worldwide. It's a matter of technology advancing and getting easier to use for all involved and having the PS4 being 3 times faster to get shit up and running on top of everything else, game development should get back into a much smoother transition, especially compared to last gen.
Really the only reason this game isn't as far along as it should be on top of other 1st party games is due to shit planning on Sony's part. Too many resources were wasted on the PS3 the last couple of years and the PS4 is paying the price for it.
This is sucky news to wake up to. 
I really hope this sticks. In terms of delays, Sony is the most notorious of the three. I'm not against giving devs all the time they need to make a better game but Sony and their studios need to be more realistic about the target release and how they announce them to the public.
I really hope this sticks. In terms of delays, Sony is the most notorious of the three. I'm not against giving devs all the time they need to make a better game but Sony and their studios need to be more realistic about the target release and how they announce them to the public.
Chuck Norris
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Oh please. This game is further along in tech than any other game, it is pushing boundaries, not complying to the basic limitations of an Epic toolset. That is a ridiculous comparison, do you really think all games are suddenly easy to make because UE4 has some procedural animation tools? And while the Order has had a few month delay, it is also one of the earliest games in the gen while clearly standing out from the pack as a powerhouse game. That is bad planning? This game is releasing as basically the equivelant of Uncharted/Gears were last gen (in terms of timing).
TheRealTalker
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the delay is unfortunate but I love the look of the game so far
better late then never I guess
better late then never I guess
Oh wow, that escalated quickly.
zeopower6
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All three seem to have been plagued with delays recently tbh, it's just that the catchphrases for the PS4 and "DS4" are a lot more witty sounding.
LiquidMetal14
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Nothing. That was easy.
mysteriousmage09
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And yet Uncharted had to be built on what was determined as alien architecture to pretty much everyone developing games on the PS3 at that time.
LowEndTorque
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Superior specs, better multiplats, PS+ and overall much better value for your dollar (incoming price parity notwithstanding)
First party exclusives will be added to the above list soon enough.
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