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[iceatcs]

why? sounds like a good rumour for MS.

I think someone want leak not rumour.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

Unless Microsoft is fully funding development of a title which would otherwise not be made I suspect this exclusive will (like Titanfall) be on the 360 & PC as well .

If this is meant to be taken seriously as a console seller then MS needs to make this an XB1 Console exclusive

 

[Salex_]

Well, both consoles have shipped one exclusive FPS so far, and I think the vast majority of people would choose Titanfall if given the choice. If you don't believe me just look at the rage that occurred when it was announced as never coming to PS4.

Titanfall isn't exclusive (if it was only on their consoles, it would be fine to say that IMO, but it's on PC). If you wanted to treat TF as an exclusive all the PS4/PC games would have to be considered.

It's annoying to see people act like the PC version doesn't exist to suit their argument.

 

[Fallout-with-swords]

Where are the moneyhatted PS4 games?

The Order? Whatever Quantic Dream is working on?

 

[driver116]

Fifa, Cod and GTA (maybe BF at a push) are the only third party games I'd consider big.

 

[nynt9]

The Order? Whatever Quantic Dream is working on?

He said moneyhatted, not Sony-funded second party studios.

 

[Raps93]

Where are the moneyhatted PS4 games?

I meant as in the PS4's Lineup.

 

[Tregard]

I wonder if this is actually an exclusive or a console exclusive. I can't see them locking something like Fallout 4 from the PC.

 

[shinra-bansho]

not in such terms, but what people care about for their console wars is which franchises will basically stick around.

i'm trying to bring a lot more structure in determining what is right, since things like '2nd party' don't actually exist in the real world. i think it's better to be more informed and live outside the fictional world of consoles and companies with experience points, hp bars, and limit breaks.

I don't really see how your form of structuring a definition is any "more right" setting aside the term 2nd party not being a real term (which again, seems something that Phil Spencer is unaware). I don't know of any particular Oxford dictionary of game terms that has empirically determined the correct usage, where language is static and meaning doesn't evolve. You seem to simply be using one delineation to define what is first or third party (IP ownership rights). Is IP ownership a valid delineation, sure. But I don't particularly see how the delineation between internal and external publishing, or internal or external development aren't also valid delineations.

he could really just mean that it's a first-party published title, in which case he would be correct. the last story is a third-party published game, but i don't think people consider it 'a third-party game' when it's copyrighted and trademarked under nintendo. any sort of third-party ownership they may consider is mistwalker, but attributing that much power to the publisher based solely on publishing is incorrect.

I thought XSEED licensed North American publishing rights from the original publisher, i.e. Nintendo. And thus, most consider it a first-party title without ever knowing the IP rights of said title.

but something like the wonderful 101 is going to be more prestigious than lego city undercover

I don't really see why that is or should be the case. I don't know whether anyone considers Dead Rising 3 or Ryse a "less prestigious" game than Forza. I don't think people consider Gears of War a less "prestigious" title than Crackdown. And many would look at all five titles and call them first-party games.

this all stemmed from rrc1594 asking the difference between 2nd party and 3rd party. there is no such thing as 2nd party in the real world, so the point is to distinguish the purpose of a 3rd party in relation to 1st parties. that's really what it comes down to, and there are a lot of details and variations. dumbing that down does no one any favors.

There are nuances. The terms 3rd and 1st party are used in several contexts. I would say though that the context you've determined as apparently the only correct usage is one I rarely see, and I highly doubt most people actually know the trademark ownership rights of every game for which they use these terms.

Really, the only reason there being a "third party exclusive" for the XBO would warrant any surprise is if it's not published by Microsoft Game Studios. Exclusive games being published by Microsoft for the XBO, whether they own the IP or not, doesn't elicit any sort of astonishment.

 

[iMax]

Where are the moneyhatted PS4 games?

Sony won't moneyhat a game unless they get to retain the IP, which is really kinda sucky if you're a third-party developer.

 

[Maintenance]

The Order? Whatever Quantic Dream is working on?

They are first/second party, like Forza and Halo, not moneyhatted.

 

[JaggedSac]

They are first/second party, like Forza and Halo, not moneyhatted.

Actually, those are both first party. Gears was an example of 2nd party, as mentioned by MS on multiple occasions.

 

[Naked Ekans]

Dino Crisis Reboot. Let's go!!!

 

[BioFan]

Shenmue 3 PLEASE!!!
Or Yakuza...otherwise, not interested

 

[rrc1594]

We establish their is no such thing as 2nd party couple pages ago only 1st and 3rd

 

[Mr. X]

MS having a 3rd part exclusive is guaranteed. I expect more than 1.

The press saying unexpected and people will be excited is every game announced ever.

Trying to cash in on the word "rumor" for clicks.

 

[Tripp Daily]

He said moneyhatted, not Sony-funded second party studios.

"Money-hatting" is funding for a game.

 

[Fallout-with-swords]

They are first/second party, like Forza and Halo, not moneyhatted.

Okay I wasn't clear on the money hat defintion. I just thinking of studios Sony doesn't own making games for the PS4.

 

[frizby]

"Money-hatting" is funding for a game.

No, it really isn't.

"Publishing" might be the word you're looking for.

 

[SniperHunter]

The Order? Whatever Quantic Dream is working on?

Wat?

 

[tapedeck]

I'm gonna say its a new Breath of Fire, cause I have no idea and want this to happen.

 

[cripterion]

"Money-hatting" is funding for a game.

The term money-hating is so stupid.

 

[Spacecowboy77]

Since EA already has a working relationship with them, I imagine it'll be something from their studios.

So... Star Wars Kinect 2 ?

 

[iMax]

They are first/second party, like Forza and Halo, not moneyhatted.

Actually, those are both first party. Gears was an example of 2nd party, as mentioned by MS on multiple occasions.

Ready At Dawn and Quantic Dream are both independent studios.

 

[keit4]

Reading this thread i'm anticipating the reactions to the announcement much more than the announcement itself.

 

[JaggedSac]

Ready At Dawn and Quantic Dream are both independent studios.

I was speaking about Forza and Halo.

 

[ys45]

If it turns out to be Dragon's Dogma 2, I will be pissed .

I hope Sony is ready for E3 because it look like Microsoft is bringing out the big guns at this e3

 

[Ironjam]

I'm gonna say its a new Breath of Fire, cause I have no idea and want this to happen.

But we are already getting a new BoF?
On iOs.

 

[rrc1594]

They hired Capcom to do Microsoft Vs. Capcom or something more catchy, but you get my point.

Ryu Vs. Jago

Master Chief Vs. Megaman

Reading this thread i'm anticipating the reactions to the announcement much more than the announcement itself.

If PG is making X1 exclusive that thread is going to be golden

 

[Melchiah]

AAA games this gen would cost upwards of 100mil per title.
Microsoft did the right thing imo with 3rd parties because the majority of sony's first party studio's closed down during the PS3 era
And if you think about it, Microsoft has always relied on exclusive 3rd party support
They have the most first party titles on the way in 2014
And what would you rather have, Titanfall or Killzone? That is our options
E3 is almost here, hopefully we all have more options by then

That is true about system sales, but I thought Xbox does better in software sales
If that is true, that is what developers care about the most. Systems sold is just something for console fanatics to talk about

Wut?

• Studio Liverpool, Zipper Interactive, and Bigbig Studios were closed, and Incognito Entertainment disbanded.
• Guerrilla, Evolution, Media Molecule, and Sucker Punch were acquired.
• Naughty Dog, Polyphony Digital, SCE Santa Monica, San Diego, London, Japan and Bend still stand.

SCE studios:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment#Software_development_studios

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

The needle finally moved for E3 hype. It's been just a few lame fantasy lists so far this year, it's about time we got something substantial.

Sunset Overdrive is the game that changed the perception and appeal of the X1- if they have another heavy hitter exclusive like that, it's going to get really interesting.

 

[Niwa]

Monster Hunter Betrayalton!

 

[Fallout-with-swords]

Wat?

I was confused, just thinking of studios that Sony doesn't own that they paid/ published games for on PS4. I became confused when people said Dead Rising was moneyhatted even though MS published the game.

 

[kinggroin]

Probably Shenmue 3

 

[SmokedMeat]

Well, both consoles have shipped one exclusive FPS so far, and I think the vast majority of people would choose Titanfall if given the choice. If you don't believe me just look at the rage that occurred when it was announced as never coming to PS4.

If sales across three platforms are any indication people aren't choosing Titanfall.

 

[Traumnovelle]

Sony won't moneyhat a game unless they get to retain the IP, which is really kinda sucky if you're a third-party developer.

I remember they moneyhatted Agent in their 2009 E3 conference, but god knows what's going with it now.

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

He said moneyhatted, not Sony-funded second party studios.

What do you think moneyhatted games are?

 

[Canis lupus]

As long as MS has enough money, a third party game can ignore the PS4.

Sigh, MS has billions, doesn't mean they're gonna throw it away at meaningless deals to get some exclusive. MS was also supposed to undercut PS4 and take a huge loss on the Xbone at launch, because they have deep pockets.

 

[todahawk]

Fallout 4

you shut your dirty mouth

 

[the_champ]

I would love Dino Crisis! I loved it from my PLaystation times. Anyway, i think it would be *cruel* to avoid Playstation users to have access to a historic PS franchise.

 

[TheSlySoul]

That is my guess. Dead Rising 3 was first, so not that surprising. I bet it is a RE game.

 

[Guymelef]

What do you think moneyhatted games are?

Titanfall =/= Quantum Break

 

[tapedeck]

But we are already getting a new BoF?
On iOs.

Oh yeah I forgot about that. ;_;

 

[SicSemperTyrannis]

Monster Hunter Betrayalton!

You stop pulling my heart strings, mean person :|

 

[Coxy]

Probably console exclusivity of something from epic

 

[nbnt]

Probably Shenmue 3

Spoiler

Sorry. It's just your avatar fits with everything, like Guile theme.

 

[Liha]

It must be a FPS.

 

[CoG]

And Phil Spencer will get more love for going in his drawer and lazily writing a multi-million dollar check. The old MS playbook, if you can't beat 'em, outspend 'em.

 

[Deputy Moonman]

Please don't be some half-breed game made for both the xbox 360 and the xbox one. Immediate fail if so.

 

[rrc1594]

And Phil Spencer will get more love for going in his drawer and lazily writing a multi-million dollar check. The old MS playbook, if you can't beat 'em, outspend 'em.