June Wrasslin' |OT| Layin' the law, once again, prepare for war. C! Z! W!

Japan promotions do the low budget - good production value thing so well. Then we get to Ring of Honor and it's like, ok-ish light with black background. And every entrance feels the same, all the wrestlers look alike / are dressed alike, there's always that feel of 30 people in the audience even when I know that there are a lot more and it just looks amateurish in general.

For example, I love how a lot of Japan shows just direct all them lights into the ring and shroud the audience in darkness. So you don't know if there are 30 or 300 people there, but it doesn't matter, because you can't see it anyway, so you focus a lot more on the wrestlers and on the good part of the audience - i.e., - the sounds; the pops; the chants; the boos, etc...

Is it a matter of my taste versus their taste; of japanese backstage talent vs their talent or simply money?

Or am I just full of shit and wrong?
 
The problem with Kevin Dunn is that, while he is good at making the product look nice, he has no business making actual wrestling decisions because he doesn't know shit about what works in wrestling
 
TheWesker said:
Sorry Adam Rose. From this week's Observer:
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Everything but the Alicia and Bo bit is awful.
 
Everytime I think of Kevin Dunn, I think of cornette wanting to beat the living hell out of him.

Just reading that article I approve of a corny/dunn match in hell in the cell with raven's rules.
 
Plywood said:
Gee thanks, stereotypes are cool.
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Sorry, brah. What I mean was we don't need folks telling her which porn star she looks most like. I meant no offense, friend brah.





Bike ride and kettle bells on the same day. Most activity I've had in 2 months.



OF COURSE WCW would focus on Japanese dudes taking tons of pictures during an Inoki match.
 
serenewarfare said:
The problem with Kevin Dunn is that, while he is good at making the product look nice, he has no business making actual wrestling decisions because he doesn't know shit about what works in wrestling
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tbh, I have been thinking nobody knows what works in wrestling these days. It was something entirely based on people believing the stuff, even the locker room culture was based on that. Then it changed and a lot of people tried a lot of different things to adapt, but I like to think that someone has yet to grasp what makes the thing tick or how to properly reach the audience that enjoys your particular subgenre.
I mean, since it started to get increasingly clear the results were fixed, you had basically two big companies and a bunch of small ones experimenting on it. Then you had one. And the small ones still feel like experiments; this one is thinking about the violence and blood aspect; this other one about the colorful characters and story; that one about the athleticism, and so on.

Sometimes people get lucky (which to me is WWF attitude era in a nutshell) and strike gold. And then they reasonably keep trying to do it again, because they really do not understand why the thing that worked, worked and they're more busy trying to get it to work again than to figure it out.

If you take 1992 or 95 or 98 pro-wrestling to be something based on the old thing, but something else, then it's a form of entertainment that has barely been around 20 years. It takes more than that for an form of art to mature, as videogames are also realizing.
 
Sblargh said:
Japan promotions do the low budget - good production value thing so well. Then we get to Ring of Honor and it's like, ok-ish light with black background. And every entrance feels the same, all the wrestlers look alike / are dressed alike, there's always that feel of 30 people in the audience even when I know that there are a lot more and it just looks amateurish in general.

For example, I love how a lot of Japan shows just direct all them lights into the ring and shroud the audience in darkness. So you don't know if there are 30 or 300 people there, but it doesn't matter, because you can't see it anyway, so you focus a lot more on the wrestlers and on the good part of the audience - i.e., - the sounds; the pops; the chants; the boos, etc...

Is it a matter of my taste versus their taste; of japanese backstage talent vs their talent or simply money?

Or am I just full of shit and wrong?
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I think a lot of it's down to the presentation - even the smaller Japanese promotions mostly stick to that sports orientated format, so lighting the crowd isn't a priority. Everything from the ring announcing, the commentators, the crowd reactions, the contract signings, the photographers at ringside, the press conferences and backstage interviews, etc, all help make a more authentic atmosphere and you pair that with an in-ring style that relies more on storytelling through the action and it's easier to make a match seem like a big deal, without the spectacle and production values WWE rely on, to an extent.
 
Any money Wrasslegaf raises is the prize for a tournament.
 
Titus Andronicus said:
I've never even seen that one before and now I'm wondering how many more great Sakamoto gifs there are.
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I was looking for a gif of the Tout when Tensai got racist and yelled at Sakamoto for being a horrible Asian driver and yelled for him to OPEN YOUR EYES!
 
Mr. Sandman said:
I feel like it won't be long before we see Ricochet in a WWE ring.

Just....please give him a new name. He needs a character name as opposed to a one dimensional name that describes his in ring style.
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Can't see it any time soon personally; when Zayn, Kalisto, Neville & Devitt eventually move up to the main roster they'll be looking for high flying talent though and he'll be top of the list.
 
Sblargh said:
B-b-but Vince...! He is a not a Main Player, he is a fun midcarder, just like Bo. And Paige was completely defanged. Goddamn it.

"So, we took good characters and made they suck, now they suck, so we'll get this crazy Alicia Fox gimmick that could work in small doses and let her do it 5 times a week until it sucks too. And then John Cena, because nothing works like John Cena! *10.000 people chanting 'John Cena sucks'*. Ah, yes, good old reliable John Cena."

Jesus fuck. Assholes.
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Vince's personal issues will always hold back the product these days. I could go in depth but.. he needs to retire soon.
 
I would like to be the first to welcome Chael Sonnen and Phil Brooks to GLOBAL FORCE WRESTLING.

Edit: Elgin looks like fucking pig man. Holy shit.
 
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