GreyOcelot
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man, hayter was pretty terrible in MGS3 too. sounding cartoony as fuck. surrrreeeeee
Metal Gear Solid V The Phantom Pain E3 Full Gameplay Demo [Up: NEW official version!]
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StalkerUKCG
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After the Assassins Creed Revelations OT Drama Massive OT's are a thing of the past for the most part.
Love Deterrence
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nolq5EPpOcA
I assumed this was the case as well. Peace Walker felt like a good middle ground between MGS3 and V for sure.
Don't forget the best Boss convo.
lol Snake was also just joking around.
Love Deterrence
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Screaming Meat
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That's inspired XD
To me it was more in the vein of that this mission is a lot more open-ended than what Big Boss is used to, and after being in a coma for 9 years I think a few words of encouragement are appropriate, not to mention that most smalltalk, even in real life, is unnecessary and just there to sort of bridge situations. Furthermore, Ocelot probably wanted to emphasize one more time that the enemy is highly skilled. Whatever, I didn't find this to be jarring at all.
Rogue Agent
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What was it that was so funny back then, Huey?
I wonder how they capture Huey. It's weird to think Otacon has already been born during this scene.
SJRB
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It's not like he can run away or anything.
Rogue Agent
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Oh, I know. I just mean like, I wonder where he was before they captured him and took him back to Motherbase? Do Diamond Dogs literally barge through his house and capture him whilst he's living his family life or is he working on a base with Cipher somewhere when we find him?
Love Deterrence
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Me, too! Otacon would be four at this point, yeah? Freaky. My guess is that the scene of Huey "celebrating" (pictured below) actually takes place before his torture. I think that he is still working at Mother Base, but is unaware that Kaz suspects him in any sort of betrayal; he's probably working on that smaller, mobile Metal Gear unit seen at the end of the Red Band trailer and celebrates his accomplishment. Next thing you know, Snake, Kaz, and Ocelot (THE BIG THREE) are back at Mother Base and want answers. (Or something along those lines, anyway.)
TL;DR: Fanfic.
SJRB
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Huey is probably still at Mother Base and he has no clue it was him inviting the inspection that lead to the destruction of MSF until Snake resurrects from his coma and rescues Miller, who then goes on full-on interrogation mode [with the help of Ocelot].
CHEEZMO
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Not the impression I got from the tapes.
Rogue Agent
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Those are good ideas. It didn't occur to me he might be part of Diamond Dogs from the beginning, with noone having accused him of betraying them for the inspection yet. That would explain why we have gadgets like the Phantom Cigar and the Mechanical Arm right from the getgo. For some reason, and I don't believe Huey betrayed us on purpose, I thought he hightailed it after the destruction of motherbase which would give him room to start a relationship (be it with Strangelove or whoever his mother is) and have Otacon giving up that life. I had a feeling he might have been retired and then forced back in, sort of like how in the MSX games Big Boss starts stealing scientists against their will.
Kojima said in E3 interview [gamespot E3 stage I think] that Big Boss will suffer much from coma. MGS5 will start slow, enabling brand new players to get accustomed to this franchise, learning together with Big Boss what happened before and how to play the game. Eventually, BB will remember everything.
Love Deterrence
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If his theory is anything like mine, I would think he is referring to the new Mother Base (Diamond Dogs)!
Rogue Agent
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Our new base in TPP is called Mother Base again, so what I think he means is that he stayed with Miller & the MSF survivors when they created the new Motherbase/Diamond Dogs.
TheLostBigBoss
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Holy shit, I can't believe I've forgotten about that conversation.
Big Boss has aspergers.
GreyOcelot
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the idea that big boss regains some memories of huey inviting the UN in, and that's what sparks his torture makes sense. it would be a bit odd that kaz didn't come to the same conclusion earlier though
Dudes I'm going to be so bummed when that scene comes, Huey doesn't deserve to take that kind of torture.
Codec convos in Metal Gear Solid 3 are the best. THE BEST.
The hell with it, here's another.
I just realized that Donna Burke is the iDroid voice. <3
Codec convos in Metal Gear Solid 3 are the best. THE BEST.
The hell with it, here's another.
I just realized that Donna Burke is the iDroid voice. <3
TheLostBigBoss
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Fuck that, he went behind everyone's back and invited the UN to a nuclear inspection.
He fucked up and got everyone killed.
What are the odds that Huey falls in love with Quiet and has to watch her be killed in a sniper battle with Big Boss?
Also, Peace Walker question that is a spoiler:
Also, Peace Walker question that is a spoiler:
Why does Big Boss believe The Boss is a traitor in Peace Walker? Throughout the game he acts as if he never found out that she was actually completing her mission due to Volgin screwing up the US's plans by firing that nuke. He keeps wanting to talk to that AI of The Boss hoping he can find out why she decided to betray him and her country. Is there a reason for this or is it just a big fuck up?
SnakeLinkSonic
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I'm not sure if you mean throughout PW or at the end. Strangelove was the one looking for confirmation (which she had already made up her mind about) on whether or not The Boss was actually a traitor. All Snake had to go on was EVA's relation (who admitted to being a double agent at the time) of The Boss's true intention and his own experiences throughout operation Snake Eater. Given that, it's not too unreasonable for a little self-doubt regarding the entire situation---though he probably had already internalized what she (i.e. EVA) left him as more or less the truth; the extensive tapes of The Boss's life in Peace Walker help solidify it for him too. Most of post-Snake Eater missions is Big Boss sort of childishly/grievingly asking "why" in roundabout ways when he in-fact already knew the answer to everything concerning The Boss's last mission. At the end of Peace Walker he seems to finally have accepted her choice and then viewed that as a personal act of betrayal to him, as she taught him to live, breathe, and think as a soldier---then proceeded to relinquish all ties to that in the name of "Peace" which is the game's overarching theme, one that Big Boss actively rejects at its conclusion.
cue The Phantom Pain---demon demon demon.
That makes sense, but I see how you have to kind of piece it together since it isn't explicitly stated. Still, parts of Peace Walker seemed rather strange as far as that goes. I thought maybe he was trying to maintain the US' government's story because it was a necessity to maintain peace between Russia and the US, but his reaction to first seeing The Boss AI thing made it appear like he either never heard EVA's tape or just didn't believe it. But not believing it would seem strange considering the ending of MGS3. Him having no honor from being congratulated by the president and leaving a tribute on her grave would make sense if he believed EVA's tape. I don't know, I guess that part just seemed to be handled in a very strange way.
I know some of you were concerned about the fulton system. While I am not worried about it, I made a fun little video that I think captured the reason some people are.
http://youtu.be/yoJu5qmSI6w
http://youtu.be/yoJu5qmSI6w
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I think it has more to do with understanding what happened accompanied by the lack of acceptance that it happened. I think Snake simply couldn't understand why she'd sacrifice rather than die like a soldier. He didn't understand that every soldier has a goal when fighting. After going into space, The Boss didn't care for countries, she cared for the world, and she knew that sacrificing herself would protect it. EDIT: The betrayal Snake felt was then accompanied by the irrational desire to do the contrary of what The Boss did, fight senseless battles, which just took him into a lot of pain.
MGS3 spoilers that are important to Major Zero's character: During a codex call, I found very curious this conversation:
Snake: I never took Sokolov for having a lover.
Major Zero: It must not be his lover.
Snake: Why not?
MZ: When he woke up in the hospital in Berlin, the first thing he asked was: "Are my wife and child safe?", this was all he cared about: his family. When I gave him to the Soviet authorities the last thing he told me was to keep his family safe at all costs. He wouldn't betray his wife -
Snake: Major, people change.
MZ: (In a sad tone) Yes, I guess so.
Major Zero: It must not be his lover.
Snake: Why not?
MZ: When he woke up in the hospital in Berlin, the first thing he asked was: "Are my wife and child safe?", this was all he cared about: his family. When I gave him to the Soviet authorities the last thing he told me was to keep his family safe at all costs. He wouldn't betray his wife -
Snake: Major, people change.
MZ: (In a sad tone) Yes, I guess so.
That's some foreshadowing right there.
GreyOcelot
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ehhhhhh....there's not a chance in hell kojima had
that entire thing was shoe-horned in.
zero planned as a villain.
I feel like the fulton should attract more attention than near just about everything else that snake does.
That's my main concern. How could you not realize a giant balloon being picked up by an enemy plain flying over. Hell you can even hear it all happening.
Yeah it's ridiculous, using it should set the entire base in search mode or something...
Call in for reinforcements etc.
Gun Animal
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It should make a noise with the same radius as an unsilenced gunshot, at the very least. As it is now it seems you can fulton right behind someone and they wouldn't notice.
BUT IT WAS CIPHER! D=
Not enough... it literally has an "enemy chopper" flying over the area.
If you see a balloon zooming up and an enemy chopper flying over the place you're guarding, you'd call for back up right away!
RustyNails
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BruceLeeRoy have better started working on the next one now.
It was a lot of circling around and pussyfooting.
I actually didn't like PW's story very much. Everything revolving The Boss felt like another episode of "Kojima can't leave shit alone."
I felt that at the end of MGS3 Big Boss had already established a plan in his mind. His understanding that countries were playing a dangerous game, made him want to establish a way to work outside the system, but still interact with all the current players. We knew that The Boss died for something greater than herself, but it wasn't something that Big Boss agreed with.
Then Kijima had to Kojima the hell out of it.
Wow, I am super nostalgic for MGS4 right now. It was my second PS3 game...I did greatly enjoy it at the time, I'm unsure if I would now, but I'll definitely play it inbetween now and TPP release.
I've seen it mentioned that the game was originally going to be a lot bigger but couldn't due to the PS3 being cut in power...was it just performance or was there going to be siginificantly different gameplay? I know the original ending was going to be
I've seen it mentioned that the game was originally going to be a lot bigger but couldn't due to the PS3 being cut in power...was it just performance or was there going to be siginificantly different gameplay? I know the original ending was going to be
Snake and Otacon getting the death sentence for war crimes.
On the topic of PW . . .
I actually didn't like PW's story. Everything revolving The Boss felt like another episode of "Kojima can't leave shit alone."
I felt that at the end of MGS3 Big Boss had already established a plan in his mind. His understanding that countries were playing a dangerous game, made him want to establish a way to work outside the system, but still interact with all the current players. We knew that The Boss died for something greater than herself, but it wasn't something that Big Boss agreed with.
Then Kijima had to Kojima the hell out of it.
As much as I loved Peace Walker and its story, I agree wholeheartedly with this. It really did feel like it was messing around with the finale of MGS3. Especially with the whole "The Boss as the mammal pod/Peace Walker" thing.
Climax was intense as hell, and the endfight and revelation with Paz was fun, but every time it went back to The Boss and what was already established in MGS3, I felt kinda disappointed. There wasn't a need to mess around with that.
Gun Animal
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Speaking of which, you shouldn't even be able to use fulton until after the new motherbase has a landing strip, because my understanding is that Skyhook/Fulton isn't compatible with helicopters, just planes/jets.
Gun Animal
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power of the
jk but GTAV honestly had more scale than this and looked just as good on last gen, so
Probably explains the pop-in issues, no?
immortal-joe
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Stop nerfing my Fulton guys please 
Splinter Cell is that way - - - ->
Splinter Cell is that way - - - ->
Zambatoh
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The same way Red Dead Redemption did years ago. It streams data to the memory piece by piece and adds / removes polygons or background objects accordingly so the system can keep up.
For reference this is what Red Dead looked like...more or less. Maybe not that high quality.
power of the
jk but GTAV honestly had more scale than this and looked just as good on last gen, so
GTA certainly does not match it in terms of focused detail however.
ArchedThunder
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Ew, they still haven't fixed the horrible draw distance/LOD pop-in from Ground Zeroes. I'm really starting to lose hope that it will be fixed for the final version. :/
Come on Kojipro, get a real LOD system in place, at least for the Quadbone versions.
Come on Kojipro, get a real LOD system in place, at least for the Quadbone versions.
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