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[matrixman92]

Nintendo has made maybe one or two good games in its lifespan

 

[Serpens007]

The Last of Us is the most over rated game of the past generation. It's good, but not the "citzen kane" of gaming.

 

[shacklesmcgee]

Nintendo has made maybe one or two good games in its lifespan

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which are?...

 

[matrixman92]

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which are?...

mario RPG, double dash...I honestly do not like anything else

 

[Marjar]

I hate when people think open world means better game.

If anything, I think it tends to turn out horribly, because most devs don't know how to properly create a good open world.

 

[Santiako]

mario RPG, double dash...I honestly do not like anything else

Are those the only two Nintendo games you've played?

 

[Hero Prinny]

If the gaming industry as a whole wants to expand their audience and increase profits then there's no other way than to represent a wider variety of playable characters. People like to play as themselves in an alternate world, that 's why Mii's are included in almost any big community game from Nintendo and why Sim games are top sellers, especially if you can customize your looks. In time this industry will be forced to adapt to the changes in society, it doesn't exist in a bubble.

completely 100% disagree, I think its cause sims is a casual game and most of nintendo games of late tend to be super casual(but fun) as well which leads to high sales.

 

[Lambtron]

mario RPG, double dash...I honestly do not like anything else

This is absolutely mindboggling to me. You think Nintendo has made only two good games, and they're two of the worst Nintendo games ever. Huh.

 

[matrixman92]

Are those the only two Nintendo games you've played?

nope, I played a lot before the wii. Then I gave up when they brought in motion controls, then the wii u was even further down the toilet for me.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

Alot of people confuse what they like with what is good, and now with much more on-tap options to voice this, are emboldened to force this into being.

Oddly enough, it has often been a marketer's dream.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

I think that the rush for new consoles every five years is, overall, detrimental to game quality, and that new technology is a distraction. It's a tool for innovation, but as games move forward I see less and less legitimate or creative use for it. The new buzzword of the generation is "massive scope," but I haven't seen any games really embrace it yet aside from non-interactive draw distance.

Basically the chase after new technology gives the games themselves little benefit (other than more detailed models and textures - no gameplay/genre shifts) and might bleed the industry dry. I think we're about to hit a new era of game development where the AAA stuff is so expensive and takes so long to make that not only will we get fewer games, but most of them will turn into homogenized copycats - meaning this new technology is actually killing the industry. E3 confirmed a lot of this for me.

I'd prefer if the industry stayed cross-gen if it allowed for more developers to get away with cheaper games, just to keep the industry alive. The loss of sales from people who whine about how its not next-gen will be made up for by those who aren't interested in paying $400 for another bland, boring, overcomplicated box.

 

[GeordieMark]

Nintendo has made maybe one or two good games in its lifespan

Wow. That is controversial.

Even if you aren't a Mario or Zelda fan, it's harsh to say more than one or two aren't good games.

Anyway, my controversial gaming opinion is that the kind of gamers that visit GAF or other popular gaming sites vastly overstate the impact of the PS4 power advantage over the Xbox on the average joe.

I honestly believe the majority of people who game would barely notice the difference between 1080p and 900p.

 

[Gray Matter]

hmmm so this is a safe environment...? well, here we go:

Gaming doesn't need more female or non white males as main characters, would it be nice? sure, but we don't need it. Why you ask? cause it contributes little to nothing to the game. Tomb Raider 2013 didn't gain or lose anything by having a female role, Second Son wasn't a better game cause Delsion was Native American. These are virtual characters, you play as them and then you move on. I thought Remember Me was an extremely boring game, would I have enjoyed it more if I got to play as a man? nope, still would've been boring. I think people need to stop worrying about the skin color of a made up character and what they have or don't have between their legs are start asking for better written characters. Link for example, why do you wan't Link to become a girl? its like saying why won't Nintendo make Mario a girl. That just doesn't make any sense to me. Why not just want a game where you just play as Zelda instead? Also before someone says its not an issue to me because I'm a white man let me just state I'm Hispanic and I can't even think of 1 Hispanic protagonist that I've played as(if I ever did) and that doesn't bother me whatsoever.

there, I said it. this is just my opinion of course but its how I honestly feel and I know I'm in the minority on this issue.

I agree with this.

 

[Timu]

Killing Floor is a good game...just not that amazing...

 

[Kater]

Exactly.



Says who? I've never played as myself in any game, nor has anyone I've ever met.

That is just you own anecdotal evidence though.

And The Sims aren't top sellers because people can play as themselves, they are top sellers because there is a huge casual audience that likes playing house.

And that is just an assumption you just made.

completely 100% disagree, I think its cause sims is a casual game and most of nintendo games of late tend to be super casual(but fun) as well which leads to high sales.

A lot of games are pretty casual, actually. Even most shooter or any other adult-oriented genre has become like that. That's probably also a sign that the industry realizes that it needs to have more accessible products to widen their audience.

And I think the best next step they could make is diversity in puncto protagonists.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

Wow. That is controversial.

Even if you aren't a Mario or Zelda fan, it's harsh to say more than one or two aren't good games.

Anyway, my controversial gaming opinion is that the kind of gamers that visit GAF or other popular gaming sites vastly overstate the impact of the PS4 power advantage over the Xbox on the average joe.

I honestly believe the majority of people who game would barely notice the difference between 1080p and 900p.

The power difference is being harped on because it's the only difference between the two consoles. Fanboys need something to bicker about. Expect the console wars to become about even less meaningful details soon, because these new consoles are fucking boring.

There's no reason to have two identical boxes on the market. 360/PS3 were essentially the same, now the PS4/Xbone are essentially the same. The competition between the two companies hasn't been aggressive and violent enough to justify it.

EDIT: Don't make the mistake of thinking I'm in favor of Microsoft's original Xbone bullshit, though. Competition did have one use: it brought Sony and Microsoft back from their trips into hell. But competition hasn't created any positives, only negated negatives - both of which the PC could have handled. Ho-hum.

 

[MastaKilla]

I think that gaming becoming a more mainstream medium has almost killed my favorite genres. I grew up playing a shit load of games but my favorite games I played growing up we're point and click adventure games, sports games and intimate tactical-based non-respawn shooters.

Thankfully it seems like adventure games have made a fairly decent comeback. But nothing will ever be like the glory days of the 90s. Sports games are sports games. 99% of shooters are recycled iterations of the same dumbed down crap chasing the same mainstream gaming audience.

 

[matrixman92]

Wow. That is controversial.

Even if you aren't a Mario or Zelda fan, it's harsh to say more than one or two aren't good games.

Anyway, my controversial gaming opinion is that the kind of gamers that visit GAF or other popular gaming sites vastly overstate the impact of the PS4 power advantage over the Xbox on the average joe.

I honestly believe the majority of people who game would barely notice the difference between 1080p and 900p.

I game a lot, I even own both xbone and ps4. I dont notice the difference

 

[Darksol]

If Call of Duty never existed, nothing of value would be lost.

 

[Oxn]

I cannot get into any of the 3D GTA games. They just aren't that good.

I do however loved GTA Chinatown Wars.

Also Chrono Cross is just about tied with Chrono Trigger in terms of greatness.

 

[croten]

I'm afraid you and I are now mortal enemies, just a quick heads up so you know.

I was not brought up with those kind of games so going back to those controls for Deus Ex is impossible for me and I'd rather play Neverwinter Nights than Baulders Gate or better yet D&D or Pathfinders

 

[Frolow]

hmmm so this is a safe environment...? well, here we go:

Gaming doesn't need more female or non white males as main characters, would it be nice? sure, but we don't need it. Why you ask? cause it contributes little to nothing to the game. Tomb Raider 2013 didn't gain or lose anything by having a female role, Second Son wasn't a better game cause Delsion was Native American. These are virtual characters, you play as them and then you move on. I thought Remember Me was an extremely boring game, would I have enjoyed it more if I got to play as a man? nope, still would've been boring. I think people need to stop worrying about the skin color of a made up character and what they have or don't have between their legs are start asking for better written characters. Link for example, why do you wan't Link to become a girl? its like saying why won't Nintendo make Mario a girl. That just doesn't make any sense to me. Why not just want a game where you just play as Zelda instead? Also before someone says its not an issue to me because I'm a white man let me just state I'm Hispanic and I can't even think of 1 Hispanic protagonist that I've played as(if I ever did) and that doesn't bother me whatsoever.

there, I said it. this is just my opinion of course but its how I honestly feel and I know I'm in the minority on this issue.

I agree. Like, there's nothing wrong with having an ethic lead of course, but why is it seemingly the most pressing issue within the industry these days? Delsin is a good example here. He's Native American and that's fine, but it really didn't contribute anything to the story (from what I've seen at least).

I'm not trying to say if someone's ethnicity doesn't contribute to the story than that character should automatically be a white or anything, but why are people acting like we need a status quo of diversity in games? I'm Naive American and I didn't feel any special "connection" to Delsin, I didn't feel or care about my ethnicity being "represented," I just wanted to play the game. Now if they made a game where someone being Native American contributed to the plot, I'd be interested to see how it would represent the culture, but I'm not demanding it. I would just think it'd be neat and move on.

 

[Sothpaw]

Oh glad this thread popped up again. Because I just finished playing through Uncharted 1-3. Every game in the series is trash. I don't understand how everyone in the world gushes over Uncharted 2. It's Dragon's Lair shitty platforming slapped together with terrible shooting and lame puzzles. And somehow an AK-47 does less damage than a 9mm pistol.

 

[neogaffer1]

Wow. That is controversial.

Even if you aren't a Mario or Zelda fan, it's harsh to say more than one or two aren't good games.

Anyway, my controversial gaming opinion is that the kind of gamers that visit GAF or other popular gaming sites vastly overstate the impact of the PS4 power advantage over the Xbox on the average joe.

I honestly believe the majority of people who game would barely notice the difference between 1080p and 900p.

The only place that that belief is controversial is on NeoGAF

Spoiler

(lol)

My controversial opinion is that people who think that games that get a lot of coverage in the media are boring and that AAA games are becoming too "shootery" with "bald white space marines" and regret that the Japanese gaming industry is no longer very big in the US are just completely closed minded. Sure you might want more diversity in games but reducing the modern big-budget game to a somewhat-tired genre with overdone cliches just because your precious JRPGs and platformers just shows you're caustic to change and want to stay in a unrealistic version of the 90s where Sony and Nintendo ruled supreme and Western devs were limited to PC. Unlike your conspiracy theories that everybody in the media is pressured to listen to Western publishers or that media outlets might be bought out by publishers to buy into games, the journalists are normal people who genuinely like or look forward to these games, similar to many other consumers.

 

[googleplex]

After building my gaming rig and PC gaming after many years. I have to say that Mouse and Keyboard controls remain the most unintuitive, frustrating and fuckung ridiculous gaming input in existence. I have no ideal why PC gamers still put up with Keyboard and mouse controls

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Nintendo has made maybe one or two good games in its lifespan

It's funny because Mario RPG was made by Square.

I think you're plain wrong if you believe that Nintendo has only created 1-2 good games, Nintendo has made thousands of games and some are the most brilliant I have ever had the joy to play, but then again, this thread is mostly about being silly I guess.

 

[Sothpaw]

After building my gaming rig and PC gaming after many years. I have to say that Mouse and Keyboard controls remain the most unintuitive, frustrating and fuckung ridiculous gaming input in existence. I have no ideal why PC gamers still put up with Keyboard and mouse controls

The deepest games require k/m to play. DOTA2, SC2 etc. Can't skip around the map or target quickly with a controller.

 

[RM8]

The only place that that belief is controversial is on NeoGAF

Spoiler

(lol)

My controversial opinion is that people who think that games that get a lot of coverage in the media are boring and that AAA games are becoming too "shootery" with "bald white space marines" and regret that the Japanese gaming industry is no longer very big in the US are just completely closed minded. Sure you might want more diversity in games but reducing the modern big-budget game to a somewhat-tired genre with overdone cliches just because your precious JRPGs and platformers just shows you're caustic to change and want to stay in a unrealistic version of the 90s where Sony and Nintendo ruled supreme and Western devs were limited to PC. Unlike your conspiracy theories that everybody in the media is pressured to listen to Western publishers or that media outlets might be bought out by publishers to buy into games, the journalists are normal people who genuinely like or look forward to these games, similar to many other consumers.

Or people like other games, you know. You're basically saying "no, it's not reasonable to ask for more diversity".

 

[That1BlackGuy]

I cannot get into any of the 3D GTA games. They just aren't that good.

I do however loved GTA Chinatown Wars.

Also Chrono Cross is just about tied with Chrono Trigger in terms of greatness.

Chinatown Wars is far and away the best game in the franchise IMO.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

I agree. Like, there's nothing wrong with having an ethic lead of course, but why is it seemingly the most pressing issue within the industry these days? Delsin is a good example here. He's Native American and that's fine, but it really didn't contribute anything to the story (from what I've seen at least).

I'm not trying to say if someone's ethnicity doesn't contribute to the story than that character should automatically be a white or anything, but why are people acting like we need a status quo of diversity in games? I'm Naive American and I didn't feel any special "connection" to Delsin, I didn't feel or care about my ethnicity being "represented," I just wanted to play the game. Now if they made a game where someone being Native American contributed to the plot, I'd be interested to see how it would represent the culture, but I'm not demanding it. I would just think it'd be neat and move on.

The "more diverse protagonists" group is too large to really pinpoint a lot of the reasoning, but I think some people just point out, "Hey, look, this is a pattern. Why is this a pattern?" and stop there. Some people highlight it as a self-evident problem. It's a very personal and subjective thing so I don't engage.

My view is this. The reason why I support the cause is because it's thinking about games as art - which I define as something from which we can derive meaning - instead of just products. Maybe throwing in a different-race protagonist doesn't actually mean anything to the developer, but it might mean something to some of the audience. Even if it's a very small fraction, that's fine. And anything that gets away from the "games as products" mentality is something I support.

Basically, I see only benefits, as vague and long-term as they may be. It's one of many things games can do to connect with different pockets of people in their audience. Making a more diverse cast is just one very small step of hundreds.

 

[Serdley]

Crash Bandicoot > Super Mario 64

 

[RM8]

Ah, it reminds me: The Crash Team Racing I played is not this magical game that becuase of reasons is superior to stuff like Mario Kart, Sonic Racing Transformed or Diddy Kong Racing. It was pretty meh, actually. It's also hideous, but that franchise was never very pleasant to the eye.

 

[neogaffer1]

Or people like other games, you know.

Yeah but there's genuinely people who act like the industry is in ruins because games like Suikoden aren't big anymore and that the West hasn't given anything of worth to video games in general. It's not just that they have different tastes, they think the industry has regressed since the PSX era. I even know someone who thinks like that.

 

[Dice]

Crash Bandicoot > Super Mario 64

 

[PensivePen]

People who say that fighting games, beat 'em ups and/or 3D action games are "mindless button mashers" are ignorant or just dummies, but most likely both.

Games that have a heavy focus on story over gameplay are fine, the gaming pool is large enough to accommodate all kinds of different games and I don't get people who hate them so much.

Crash Bandicoot > Super Mario 64

Adding onto this, Spyro is better than both of them.

And just one more for the road. The N64 was a pretty lame console with very few worthwhile games, while the Gamecube had an excellent library of first and third party stuff. The Wii library was good too and plenty of gems in there even if there was a lot of shovelware.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Hahaha this thread and some of these opinions!

 

[The_Endgamer]

Bethesda constantly forgets to make their games fun to play.

Came to post this. An extension of this is that JUST because it's an open world, doesn't make it a well crafted game, let alone a good game.

Also, Metal Gear Solid 2 is the shittest in the franchise because of Raiden. Why did Kojima think it was fun to put a whiny anime character in a stealth/shooter game... complete joke of a character until MGS4 came out really.

EDIT: Crash Team Racing > Mario Kart any day.

 

[RM8]

Yeah but there's genuinely people who act like the industry is in ruins because games like Suikoden aren't big anymore and that the West hasn't given anything of worth to video games in general. It's not just that they have different tastes, they think the industry has regressed since the PSX era. I even know someone who thinks like that.

Well yes, that's dumb and calling those people out is not controversial at all. We people who happen to love genres that aren't big anymore don't want your favorite AAA game to die, we just want some attention too!

 

[Oxn]

Came to post this. An extension of this is that JUST because it's an open world, doesn't make it a well crafted game, let alone a good game.

Also, Metal Gear Solid 2 is the shittest in the franchise because of Raiden. Why did Kojima think it was fun to put a whiny anime character in a stealth/shooter game... complete joke of a character until MGS4 came out really.

Thanks for bringing up the mgs series
I almost forgot but mgs 3 just isnt good
Peace walker is the best mgs in the big boss saga thus far

 

[meanspartan]

Bioshock Infinite deserved all the great reviews it got at launch and the backlash against it is unwarranted. Yes the shooting was not the best thing ever, but it was way more decent than people give it credit for. The rail system was super cool, the story was fantastic, and finally, Columbia is way more interesting to me than Rapture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30GD25un0XQ

 

[Oxn]

Crash Bandicoot > Super Mario 64

SM64 is in my opinion one of the top 5 most overrated games in the history of gaming

 

[lem0n]

TLoU is not as great as people say. It's a good game, hardly anything that makes it stand out, though. IMO.

 

[Bixlow]

Nostalgia aside, I don't see how anyone could think Nintendo is the "BEST" gaming company ever.

 

[Hecatonchires Custom]

I really feel that the Persona series is going downhill ever since Persona 3 happened.

I loathe the new systems that have been implemented. The Social Links are boring non skippable events where you basically listen to a person's asinine problems (I can't cook, I love the teacher) and tell them exactly what they want to hear. The calendar system makes the game a fucking chore to go through since you can't do what you want when you want to and even then, you are restricted either by stamina or SP to explore/grind or whatever; you do, however, spend a large amount of time going through pointless cutscenes that barely move the plot forward. The dungeon designs are extremely bland and repetitive and don't get me started on bloody Tartarus. The earlier Personas had hospitals, schools, malls and clubs to explore at your own goddamn pace.

The worst part is that the series seemed to have devolved into an anime bullshit funfest with all the high school girls dating, the obligatory hot springs scenes and the constant you so baka blushing. That and the series being milked to hell and back with the numerous ports/remakes and the ridiculous spinoff games. A fucking dance game, really now?

SM64 is in my opinion one of the top 5 most overrated games in the history of gaming

The other four being Ocarina of Time, Resident Evil 4, Last of Us and Demon/Dark Souls.

 

[PensivePen]

TLoU is not as great as people say. It's a good game, hardly anything that makes it stand out, though. IMO.

Naughty Dog in general aren't particularly great on anything other than a technical level. They make impressive games but in terms of design they're hardly masterpieces. I'll always commend them for keeping load times out of their games though.

Thanks for bringing up the mgs series
I almost forgot but mgs 3 just isnt good
Peace walker is the best mgs in the big boss saga thus far

MGS3 is one of my favorite games ever, but I felt like the mission style structure and the fact that it was so stupidly easy with no difficulty selection ruined Peace Walker. Not to mention the derivative, pretty much pointless story and the horrible slogging boss fights.

 

[Oxn]

SM64 is in my opinion one of the top 5 most overrated games in the history of gaming

I really feel that the Persona series is going downhill ever since Persona 3 happened.

I loathe the new systems that have been implemented. The Social Links are boring non skippable events where you basically listen to a person's asinine problems (I can't cook, I love the teacher) and tell them exactly what they want to hear. The calendar system makes the game a fucking chore to go through since you can't do what you want when you want to and even then, you are restricted either by stamina or SP to explore/grind or whatever; you do, however, spend a large amount of time going through pointless cutscenes that barely move the plot forward. The dungeon designs are extremely bland and repetitive and don't get me started on bloody Tartarus. The earlier Personas had hospitals, schools, malls and clubs to explore at your own goddamn pace.

The worst part is that the series seemed to have devolved into an anime bullshit funfest with all the high school girls dating, the obligatory hot springs scenes and the constant you so baka blushing. That and the series being milked to hell and back with the numerous ports/remakes and the ridiculous spinoff games. A fucking dance game, really now?



The other four being Ocarina of Time, Resident Evil 4, Last of Us and Demon/Dark Souls.

Persona 4 is also on my top 5 most overrated list

 

[The_Endgamer]

TLoU is not as great as people say. It's a good game, hardly anything that makes it stand out, though. IMO.

Yeah, I agree with this too. Admittedly I haven't played all the way through it but it just seems like another zombie game to me.

 

[KOMANI]

Crash Bandicoot > Super Mario 64

I love both and Mario 64 did a lot more for games... But I agree.

 

[blue_phazon]

Dark Souls 2 (from what I played -- just beat

Spoiler

Undead Crypt

) is better than Dark Souls 1.

The game feels so much more consistent. There's so much variety in the different areas, yet there's no super crappy ones like Lost Izalith.

The only complaint I have is that too many of the bosses are humanoid, but none of the ones I faced so far have been as bad as Ceaseless Discharge or Bed of Chaos.

 

[Some Nobody]

Alot of people confuse what they like with what is good, and now with much more on-tap options to voice this, are emboldened to force this into being.

Oddly enough, it has often been a marketer's dream.

What I like is what's good. Of course, that only works for me, lol.

This is absolutely mindboggling to me. You think Nintendo has made only two good games, and they're two of the worst Nintendo games ever. Huh.

Not that I agree with him, but...saying Super Mario RPG is one of the worst Nintendo games ever? Gross.

I think that the rush for new consoles every five years is, overall, detrimental to game quality, and that new technology is a distraction. It's a tool for innovation, but as games move forward I see less and less legitimate or creative use for it. The new buzzword of the generation is "massive scope," but I haven't seen any games really embrace it yet aside from non-interactive draw distance.

Basically the chase after new technology gives the games themselves little benefit (other than more detailed models and textures - no gameplay/genre shifts) and might bleed the industry dry. I think we're about to hit a new era of game development where the AAA stuff is so expensive and takes so long to make that not only will we get fewer games, but most of them will turn into homogenized copycats - meaning this new technology is actually killing the industry. E3 confirmed a lot of this for me.

I'd prefer if the industry stayed cross-gen if it allowed for more developers to get away with cheaper games, just to keep the industry alive. The loss of sales from people who whine about how its not next-gen will be made up for by those who aren't interested in paying $400 for another bland, boring, overcomplicated box.

But PC's usually cost more than $400. BA-ZING!

lol, no seriously while I kind of see where you're coming from--games DO need to find a way to become cheaper, and FAST--you're ignoring that it hasn't been "five years" since the last upgrade. It's been over eight. And because of cross-gen, probably a full decade before we shed last-gen for good.

I think people are interested in buying the PS4 or the XB1. Cross-gen actually slows the process down. "Oh, I can get it on PS3/360? Nevermind then."

And realistically, the developer bag of tricks that pushes the PS3 and 360's now meager RAM and processors for more output has got to have gotten thin.

E3 couldn't have "confirmed" anything for you. These are new systems and developers needed more time than what they've gotten so far, that's all. By every indication, 2015 looks not only better than 2014 or 2013, but one of the best years I've seen since I bought a "current-gen" console back in early 2010.

Yeah but there's genuinely people who act like the industry is in ruins because games like Suikoden aren't big anymore and that the West hasn't given anything of worth to video games in general. It's not just that they have different tastes, they think the industry has regressed since the PSX era. I even know someone who thinks like that.

I wouldn't say the West hasn't given anything of worth to video games. On the contrary I think they've done a great job advancing RPGs. But I DO think we've regressed a little since the PSX era because we can't afford to take as many chances. "Small" projects on the PS1 didn't look too much different than the big ones, while there's a world of difference between AAA titles and everything else now, because the amount of money required is so extreme.