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[diaspora]

He possessed Sif's body.

Close enough.

 

[anaron]

I've been hoping the same, but trying not to get any hopes up haha

B E L I E V E

(Same, lol)

 

[ReAxion]

BTW, unless I missed something, I don't see any confirmation of a separate Unworthy Thor series, though it would make sense.

http://marvel.com/news/comics/2014/7/15/22875/marvel_proudly_presents_thor

That's it, tho. No full on "yo, new other series" announcement yet.

 

[Faiz]

B E L I E V E

(Same, lol)

Wouldn't put it past him to be trolling us tho

 

[Vermillion]

I'd adore a movie with the current Thor. Might take the sting out of DCs inability to produce a Wonder Woman movie.

I know it's silly, but I'd love for them to pull a similar move in the movie-verse.

Errr... I mean... ugggghhhh... nvm.

It's a solid, fun read. I'd look into it if I were you. I only approached it as a Kaine fan, but have been sure to pick it up every time I see a new issue.

Incidentally, doesn't earlier in the thread show that women prefer their Hemsworth?

And I suppose I need to check it out; I loved Scarlet Spider!

 

[MHWilliams]

So what did I do to receive your condescending tone?

Caring about the numbering. At this point, it's more marketing than anything.

And Old Thor never used a sword in Aaron's run. It's always been Mjolnir. Both images you posted are concept art. And the image you posted from Avengers takes place 422 years later.

Spoiler

The blade is the Odinsword. It marks him as the All-Father.

Judging from the current story in Thor #23 and #24, this this magic:

I assume Thor's actions will lead to Mjolnir judging him as not worthy.

EDIT: Spoiler tags don't hide pictures? Sadness.

And that pic of Unworthy Thor with the fake arm points to Aaron continuing the stuff he's doing in God of Thunder.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

It's the cover for the GBA's "NES Classic Series" port of the original.

Tiny correction: It's from the NES release. Just a later reprint after Metroid 2 came out. The GBA port actually used the original, pixel, NES art.

This is correct:

That is from the 8-Bit release. The 1993 re-release to be exact. Same image used on Metroid II for the Gameboy, IIRC.

...and it IS the same art from Metroid 2, but traced over and simplified for some reason.


Sorry for the nitpick, now back to Thor.

 

[Data West]

Not Storm, don't care

whabaoom bada boom

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Nice would bang

Would be bad ass to see new Thor and old Thor team up.

And have hot Thor sex

Sparks will fly

 

[Duane Cunningham]

Not Storm, don't care

whabaoom bada boom

Gawd I love Art Adams.

 

[akira28]

Meh.

I'm not a fan of this. Not because they are adding a female character, but because it seems like a lazy way to appease fans. Marvel can't be bothered to create a new badass female superhero in the same vein as Thor, so they're just doing a gender swap instead.

If you want more Norse mythology shit, there are literally tons of good Norse Goddesses to draw inspiration from. Seriously. Go look, Marvel. I'll wait here. Can't we just get a new female superhero that is cool and not have a temporary female Thor for a year and a half?

this. all of it

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

Seems kind of confusing. It isn't "She-Thor" and Thor wasn't gender swapped, but she is "Thor".

Oh but she is a whole different kind of Thor...
But not she-Thor, and totally not genderswapped. She is Thor.
(Repeat)

I hate marketing.

Just say, This is the new Thor, with her own quirks and personality, and will be taking up the mantle. Read the new comic soon!

 

[ReAxion]

this. all of it

the problem is they've done everything but make Thor a woman already.
Valkyrie, Sif, Angela. They're all what he said "Marvel can't be bothered to" do.

 

[PsychBat!]

Caring about the numbering. At this point, it's more marketing than anything.

I assume Thor's actions will lead to Mjolnir judging him as not worthy.

EDIT: Spoiler tags don't hide pictures? Sadness.

And that pic of Unworthy Thor with the fake arm points to Aaron continuing the stuff he's doing in God of Thunder.

Caring about the numbering is enough reason to put down someone?
And I'm pretty sure it's not him putting down Galactus that will cause him to be unworthy. It'll probably be something totally different. I think it will involve Angela but I doubt it. But that future Thor in Avengers did not have the Odinsword as he was not the All-Father,

Spoiler

Ultron Prime is.

I love and hate time travel.

 

[dan2026]

Please tell me Fem-Thor isn't Angela.

 

[ReiGun]

She is, yeah, but it's part of her character and not purely a marketing thing. Kamala specifically looks up to Carol Danvers as her role model and favourite superhero. So her taking the name Ms. Marvel is more about honouring her personal hero than any random reason. She's also not a carbon copy of the existing Captain Marvel, she's got her own unique personality and power set.

Also Ms. Marvel has never been a huge mainstream character so there's not a lot to piggyback off of.

Except we don't know anything about this new Thor. Yes, the nature of the announcement screams "marketing ploy" but we have no idea what this character's story is.

And I still don't see why that makes Kamala an exception among legacies, where it's somehow okay for her to take the name of a character from a different demo (white woman -> teenage Muslim girl), but it's a problem for, say, Miles Morales or Val Zod or Jaime Reyes.

 

[Vermillion]

Except we don't know anything about this new Thor. Yes, the nature of the announcement screams "marketing ploy" but we have no idea what this character's story is.

And I still don't see why that makes Kamala an exception among legacies, where it's somehow okay for her to take the name of a character from a different demo (white woman -> teenage Muslim girl), but it's a problem for, say, Miles Morales or Val Zod or Jaime Reyes.

Morales came at the death of Parker, which I was a bit miffed about (seeing as the Ultimate Universe killed off everyone else important). In addition, it seemed like a publicity stunt. At present, however, it doesn't really matter... From what I hear, he's been treated well anyways. Peter Parker will always be the one true Spider-Man and yadayadayada, but I don't have any qualms with Miles Morales, either.

 

[The Maverick]

Don't like it.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Except we don't know anything about this new Thor. Yes, the nature of the announcement screams "marketing ploy" but we have no idea what this character's story is.

And I still don't see why that makes Kamala an exception among legacies, where it's somehow okay for her to take the name of a character from a different demo (white woman -> teenage Muslim girl), but it's a problem for, say, Miles Morales or Val Zod or Jaime Reyes.

I dunno, I'm just talking outta my ass because I like Kamala. I personally have no problem with legacy naming. I think it's a cool way, in-universe, for characters to express which other heroes they look up to. Yeah you have stuff where Bucky is specifically taking over for Steve and becomes Captain America, but I specifically like Kamala's angle, being a young kid who wants something more from her life, discovers her amazing powers, and takes up the name of her favourite superhero out of respect.

Please tell me Fem-Thor isn't Angela.

It's probably Angela. The blonde hair threw me off at first, but maybe she gets the makeover when she "becomes" Thor.

 

[MHWilliams]

Caring about the numbering is enough reason to put down someone?

Put down? I said "who cares". Numbering hasn't been important for awhile as Marvel has mostly left it behind unless they're approaching multiples of 1000, at which point they pull it out for marketing. Brevoort on numbering:

We’ve gone over this in great detail recently, but just to sum up: the numbering really isn’t important in and of itself. Its only import is what you place on it. No other serial publications carry a number on them that is of any weight to their readership. The number is there to serve a function, but it has no intrinsic value in and of itself. It’s comfort food and nostalgia at best.

On this, we follow what you and your fellow readers do more than what you say. We hear complaints about renumbering every time we do it, but every time we do it it results in higher sales, which is the whole ballgame—so if it were your time and your effort, what would you do?

Also, there are a lot—a LOT—of readers who hear about one of our books being good, but who feel like they don’t know where to jump on board to try it out. They’re hesitant. The new #1 gives them a nice easy access point—which is part of why it always works.

In the case of DAREDEVIL, it’s a highly-acclaimed award-winning series. But that doesn’t mean that everybody who might love it has already sampled it. So when there’s a story reason that legitimizes a new first issue, why wouldn’t we take advantage of it? We know the material is strong, and we want to get it out in front of as many readers as possible. This simply allows us to do that more effectively.

The world has changed in so many ways, the world of entertainment more than most. The way television series are conceived and released, and the formats they’re available in are completely different now than they were even a few years ago. Asking a Network to do business the way they did in 2000 would be pretty self-defeating, right? So too the same is true of us.

The bridge of renumbering and relaunching was crossed a long time ago. It was crossed by DC after CRISIS in 1986, and it was crossed by Marvel ten years later for Heroes Reborn. And it’s been fifteen years since that. There is no going back, any more than there’s any going back to there being three central broadcast networks on television. This is the world as it exists today, now, in 2013.

We are in the business of selling stories. Our operating philosophy is that good, accessible stories will always sell better. But we live in the here and now, and we deal with the conditions of the marketplace in which we sell our products. And when it comes to something as irrelevant to the storytelling as the number that happens to be on the cover, we’re going to do whatever the marketplace tells us gives us the best chance to get that material into as many hands as possible.

What does the number on the cover signify? Why is that your problem with a new Thor?

And I'm pretty sure it's not him putting down Galactus that will cause him to be unworthy. It'll probably be something totally different. I think it will involve Angela but I doubt it. But that future Thor in Avengers did not have the Odinsword as he was not the All-Father,

Spoiler

Ultron Prime is.

I love and hate time travel.

I'm merely showing off a great moment from that arc, as old Thor's action would have little to do with current Thor being unworthy. I assume the Broxton/Roxxon stuff will lead to some fallout for Thor. And I assume the All-Mother will choose the new Thor.

 

[Kinyou]

 

[RecklessWolf]

This seems kinda of pandering. Personally I hate any form of pandering and I feel like its insulting my intelligence. Same thing when they make a long established character black out of the blue (I am black). It's like they're saying "Hey, you're black, they're black. You should buy it."

Shit just seems real lazy.

 

[mreddie]

I hope it's somehow Sif but I doubt it. I don't mind the change but until I read the comic...we'll see.

Funny,

Spoiler

Steve is giving the shield to Falcon for awhile and what's going on here, wonder what's gonna happen to Tony?

 

[Anton Sugar]

Please tell me Fem-Thor isn't Angela.

I am out of the loop, haven't read any Angela since her Spawn-era debut. Why the hate?

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Morales came at the death of Parker, which I was a bit miffed about (seeing as the Ultimate Universe killed off everyone else important). In addition, it seemed like a publicity stunt. At present, however, it doesn't really matter... From what I hear, he's been treated well anyways. Peter Parker will always be the one true Spider-Man and yadayadayada, but I don't have any qualms with Miles Morales, either.

This thing could easily have the same stages of grief-esque cycle. Even in the likely event it's temporary, the story can still be good.

The past years we've had people go from

"Bruce Wayne is the only Batman" to "Dick and Damian were the best Batman and Robin"
"You can't replace Spider-Man" to "Ock was the Superior Spider-Man"

If it's Valkyrie, it'll probably play out much like the Bucky/Cap thing where the more obscure character takes over the mantle of the old one and switches back to the previous identity but with enough newfound popularity to sustain a standalone or 12 series mini.

 

[PsychBat!]

I am out of the loop, haven't read any Angela since her Spawn-era debut. Why the hate?

She's in a mediocre Guardians of the Galaxy book right now.

 

[foxuzamaki]

So was punisher! Someone post the gif, I gotta get back to work

Isnt punisher just blade but without the vampires

 

[MHWilliams]

This seems kinda of pandering. Personally I hate any form of pandering and I feel like its insulting my intelligence. Same thing when they make a long established character black out of the blue (I am black). It's like they're saying "Hey, you're black, they're black. You should buy it."

Shit just seems real lazy.

You mean like Luke Cage or Black Panther? People should worry about "how" publishers do things rather than "why". Execution is everything.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I am out of the loop, haven't read any Angela since her Spawn-era debut. Why the hate?

I like her too. But she wasn't handled too well in the beginning, they introduced her into the Marvel 616 universe through Guardians of the Galaxy and a lot of people are not thrilled with that book right now. She adds a pretty interesting dynamic to the team, but it was an odd choice for her debut.

It was revealed in Original Sin: The 10th Realm that she is

Spoiler

Odin's long-lost daughter and Thor/Loki's sister

, so maybe people feel like she's being shoehorned into a big book just to jumpstart her popularity.

Spoiler

It's worth noting that Jason Aaron is also the lead writer for the Original Sin event which makes it pretty likely that he has planned this and Angela is in fact the new Thor.

It's weird but if it leads to well-written stories I don't really care what they do. I hated the initial premise for Superior Spider-Man but really enjoyed the new take on the character while it lasted.

 

[akira28]

the problem is they've done everything but make Thor a woman already.
Valkyrie, Sif, Angela. They're all what he said "Marvel can't be bothered to" do.

I disagree. Angela was brought over with Kid Liefeld, Sif has been around a while, and Valkyrie? no. They made Loki a woman for a year or so through fuckery, and now they will do it with Thor for a year or two through fuckery. They could just as easily create a new enduring character, but they would rather have eventful gimmicks to do and undo and sell books and move plot.

 

[ReiGun]

Morales came at the death of Parker, which I was a bit miffed about (seeing as the Ultimate Universe killed off everyone else important). In addition, it seemed like a publicity stunt. At present, however, it doesn't really matter... From what I hear, he's been treated well anyways. Peter Parker will always be the one true Spider-Man and yadayadayada, but I don't have any qualms with Miles Morales, either.

So then don't you think the Miles situation should have showed us that we should maybe wait to see what they have planned instead of immediately damning it to just a publicity stunt?

This seems kinda of pandering. Personally I hate any form of pandering and I feel like its insulting my intelligence. Same thing when they make a long established character black out of the blue (I am black). It's like they're saying "Hey, you're black, they're black. You should buy it."

Shit just seems real lazy.

Who exactly is this pandering to? Most people like Thor as is. It's entirely possible they had other reasons for this. Marvel is already doing well with female demographics, so it's not exactly like they're in a desperate position.

You mean like Luke Cage or Black Panther? People should worry about "how" publishers do things rather than "why". Execution is everything.

Exactly. Especially when the "why" always comes back to "because money."

I disagree. Angela was brought over with Kid Liefeld, Sif has been around a while, and Valkyrie? no. They made Loki a woman for a year or so through fuckery, and now they will do it with Thor for a year or two through fuckery. They could just as easily create a new enduring character, but they would rather have eventful gimmicks to do and undo and sell books and move plot.

We've seen time and again that creating new and enduring characters is anything but easy. For every Kamala Khan or Jaime Reyes, there's dozens of new characters that have fallen into obscurity for any number of reasons.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

So what did I do to receive your condescending tone?

And Old Thor never used a sword in Aaron's run. It's always been Mjolnir. Both images you posted are concept art. And the image you posted from Avengers takes place 422 years later.

looks like he has no choice now, he cant wield mjolnir...so he can go get the sword he used to fight the serpent/ his uncle with, or the axe.

 

[RecklessWolf]

You mean like Luke Cage or Black Panther? People should worry about "how" publishers do things rather than "why". Execution is everything.

I'm talking more along the lines of the new Wally West. Luke Cage and Black Panther are their own character.

 

[Hours Left]

So dude Thor is still Thor (sans hammer), but new Thor is also Thor?

Sure. Everybody gets a Thor!

 

[Deleted member 13876]

So dude Thor is still Thor (sans hammer), but new Thor is also Thor?

Sure. Everybody gets a Thor!

They would have done it on Oprah if that were the case. Everyone check under your seats.

 

[RecklessWolf]

Who exactly is this pandering to? Most people like Thor as is. It's entirely possible they had other reasons for this. Marvel is already doing well with female demographics, so it's not exactly like they're in a desperate position.

They announced it on THE VIEW. Cmon...

 

[Vermillion]

This thing could easily have the same stages of grief-esque cycle. Even in the likely event it's temporary, the story can still be good.

The past years we've had people go from

"Bruce Wayne is the only Batman" to "Dick and Damian were the best Batman and Robin"
"You can't replace Spider-Man" to "Ock was the Superior Spider-Man"

If it's Valkyrie, it'll probably play out much like the Bucky/Cap thing where the more obscure character takes over the mantle of the old one and switches back to the previous identity but with enough newfound popularity to sustain a standalone or 12 series mini.

So then don't you think the Miles situation should have showed us that we should maybe wait to see what they have planned instead of immediately damning it to just a publicity stunt?

I mean, my only problems with this are:

1) But Thor is his name!
2) ...What's wrong with Goddess, again?
3) More original female/minority characters.

Outside of that, eh. Again, I'm far more interested in what the target audience (women) think. We've already had one say she's not keen on it. I'm waiting for Cheska to show up (if she ever does), and any others who are around. Because ultimately, we can have the discussion about how great/bad this is for women by ourselves, but it's really kind of pointless without them in the discussion.

 

[krypt0nian]

More pandering rather than promoting their established female characters.

Every time a character is race/gender swapped I check out. It's lazy.

Promote the established and AMAZING female (and heroes of color) characters, comics. This is embarrassing.

 

[mreddie]

Yeah but if it sells, more power to them. Again, this will stick til Ultron comes out. Again, Thor took a break a couple of times, this is no different.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

I mean, my only problems with this are:

1) But Thor is his name!
2) ...What's wrong with Goddess, again?
3) More original female/minority characters.

Outside of that, eh. Again, I'm far more interested in what the target audience (women) think. We've already had one say she's not keen on it. I'm waiting for Cheska to show up (if she ever does), and any others who are around. Because ultimately, we can have the discussion about how great/bad this is for women by ourselves, but it's really kind of pointless without them in the discussion.

The Thor thing is awkward, but apparently there are two precedents for it. Agreed on the Goddess part. Number three I've addressed in an earlier post. I really believe they have been trying on that part but not always with the success they envisioned, I think the key to this may not be the comics, but promotion of these characters in the adjacent media like cartoons, games and movies. The comics are a great way to introduce them, but it's not easy to make them stick and the sales numbers of all books really aren't that vast.

The reason I don't have that many problems with this is that sure, it's a bit wonky, but it gets people talking at least and if that boosts the odds of a character like this catching on and becoming more of her own thing down the line it's a necessary evil of sorts.

 

[PsychBat!]

looks like he has no choice now, he cant wield mjolnir...so he can go get the sword he used to fight the serpent/ his uncle with, or the axe.

Doesn't look like he'll get the Odin-Sword anytime soon though (because he's not the All-Father yet and it looks like he was banished from Asgardia as well). Anyways, this is starting to make more sense now.

I don't want people to get the wrong idea either, I welcome this new Thor too. I'm pretty excited for it.

 

[ReiGun]

They announced it on THE VIEW. Cmon...

Marketing to a new audience =! pandering. Not all the time. If they came out and said Thor was now an older woman with two kids and a steady job or a homemaker (i.e someone exactly like The View's target audience), that'd be pandering. If they unveiled a new Thor costume that was just Chris Hemsworth in a chainmail man-kini, that'd be pandering.

Simply making a comic book announcing in front of a new audience is not, in and of itself, pandering. Pandering implies cynically appealing to an audience by giving them exactly what they want in the laziest way possible.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

More pandering rather than promoting their established female characters.

Every time a character is race/gender swapped I check out. It's lazy.

Promote the established and AMAZING female (and heroes of color) characters, comics. This is embarrassing.

Captain Marvel
Ms. Marvel
Black Widow
Elektra
She-Hulk

Already have their own books currently running. Storm is getting one soon. Fearless Defenders (featuring Valkyrie and Misty Knight) wrapped up recently I think. Hummingbird is a cool and brand new Latina superhero and is prominently featured in New Warriors.

Is it really that heinous that Aaron wants to try something interesting to switch up his Thor book? I feel like most people who repeat this kinda stuff probably don't know half the books that Marvel is pushing right now.

 

[PsychBat!]

Captain Marvel
Ms. Marvel
Black Widow
Elektra
She-Hulk

Already have their own books currently running. Is it really that heinous that Aaron wants to try something interesting to switch up his Thor book?

It's just too bad this isn't permanent. Maybe it will be, except she won't be called Thor and have another type of hammer like BRB.

 

[Vermillion]

The Thor thing is awkward, but apparently there are two precedents for it. Agreed on the Goddess part. Number three I've addressed in an earlier post. I really believe they have been trying on that part but not always with the success they envisioned, I think the key to this may not be the comics, but promotion of these characters in the adjacent media like cartoons, games and movies. The comics are a great way to introduce them, but it's not easy to make them stick and the sales numbers of all books really aren't that vast.

The reason I don't have that many problems with this is that sure, it's a bit wonky, but it gets people talking at least and if that boosts the odds of a character like this catching on and becoming more of her own thing down the line it's a necessary evil of sorts.

All fair points.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

It's just too bad this isn't permanent. Maybe it will be, except she won't be called Thor and have another type of hammer like BRB.

If this is Angela, this is basically her origin arc in the Marvel Universe and will establish why we should care about her being here. I have no doubt that when this is over and Thor retakes Mjolnir, she'll get her own unique weapon and identity from Odin and become more prevalent, will probably get her own book as well.

 

[MHWilliams]

I'm talking more along the lines of the new Wally West. Luke Cage and Black Panther are their own character.

I'm merely talking about how those characters were created for the same reasons you have issues with. Luke Cage was created solely to jump on the blaxploitation bandwagon. That he turned out better than that is a testament to all the creators that worked on him. Again, execution is everything.

More pandering rather than promoting their established female characters.

Every time a character is race/gender swapped I check out. It's lazy.

Promote the established and AMAZING female (and heroes of color) characters, comics. This is embarrassing.

If Miles Morales is lazy, then I got nothing.

 

[Levi]

The Birkenstock comment... Didn't know hippies were to blame, lol.

 

[PsychBat!]

If this is Angela, this is basically her origin arc in the Marvel Universe and will establish why we should care about her being here. I have no doubt that when this is over and Thor retakes Mjolnir, she'll get her own unique weapon and identity from Odin and become more prevalent, will probably get her own book as well.

I can live with that. As long as both books are written by Aaron then I don't mind.

 

[Messypandas]

Excellent. Female Bruce Wayne next pls.