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I hope Nick doesn't try to do anything stupid with it.

Like with what happened to Teen Titans...

The people at Nick don't know what they are doing tbh. LoK needs more episodes and earlier showtimes which they are not giving. Naruto and DBZ were showcased very well by Cartoon Network and even though they were not in charge of how much episodes were made they knew when to schedule the shows.
 
The people at Nick don't know what they are doing tbh. LoK needs more episodes and earlier showtimes which they are not giving. Naruto and DBZ were showcased very well by Cartoon Network and even though they were not in charge of how much episodes were made they knew when to schedule the shows.

DBZ, Naruto, and all of the other anime shows had their own block on Cartoon Network, though. Korra doesn't. I do agree that Nick doesn't know what they're doing, though. Their channel is 70% bad sitcoms and cartoons that no one watches, 20% Spongebob, and 10% Korra.
 
Well nick is strictly in it for the easy money now. It's probably way more profitable to do those disney channel sitcoms than do a new hand drawn cartoon. Korra was done because ATLA was super popular.
 
I hope Nick doesn't try to do anything stupid with it.

Like with what happened to Teen Titans...

Oh they will. Just like our parents, expect EVERYTHING you loved to eventually be ruined. NO way companies like this will sit on franchises that can make them money. Expect the eventual spin off or re-make. ATLA will eventually be fleeced.

TBH Nick didn't even like Korra (the protagonist). They were weary about a female protagonist and wanted them to do something more connected with the original ATLA. I would not be surprised to see them continue Aang + the group years from now. Even if it doesn't have the original voice actors or artist behind it.
 
I don't know what could be a good antagonist for Aang after Ozai though.

Like, what could the plot there be? Taking care of Republic City and Family life? If there was something that he had to take care of, don't you think someone would've mentioned it by now? It was already pretty lame he had to take care of a (ableit talented) gangster.

It's the Karate Kid problem. Movie 1 you gotta beat the bad guys or else you look dumb, Movie 2 you gotta beat the bad guys or they're gonna KILL you and your girlfriend. Movie 3, you gotta win a karate tournament again and if you don't oh well.

You can't raise the stakes and tension like that and just back peddle and still have an interesting story. Korra is suffering from this right now since she kinda defeated the physical manifestation of evil and is now worried about politics and 4 (albeit talented) assassins.


After Aang overcomes the Fire Nation, nothing can believably be a threat to him. He can never reach a low point again and have it not feel forced.
 
I don't know what could be a good antagonist for Aang after Ozai though.

Like, what could the plot there be? Taking care of Republic City and Family life? If there was something that he had to take care of, don't you think someone would've mentioned it by now? It was already pretty lame he had to take care of a (ableit talented) gangster.

It's the Karate Kid problem. Movie 1 you gotta beat the bad guys or else you look dumb, Movie 2 you gotta beat the bad guys or they're gonna KILL you and your girlfriend. Movie 3, you gotta win a karate tournament again and if you don't oh well.

You can't raise the stakes and tension like that and just back peddle and still have an interesting story. Korra is suffering from this right now since she kinda defeated the physical manifestation of evil and is now worried about politics and 4 (albeit talented) assassins.

After Aang overcomes the Fire Nation, nothing can believably be a threat to him. He can never reach a low point again and have it not feel forced.

I, personally, enjoy the political drama that we're getting in Korra Book 3 (and in the comics, I suppose).

I find it a lot easier to relate to the characters' problems and issues when they're up against villains that don't turn into glowing giants.
 
I don't know what could be a good antagonist for Aang after Ozai though.

Like, what could the plot there be? Taking care of Republic City and Family life? If there was something that he had to take care of, don't you think someone would've mentioned it by now? It was already pretty lame he had to take care of a (ableit talented) gangster.

It's the Karate Kid problem. Movie 1 you gotta beat the bad guys or else you look dumb, Movie 2 you gotta beat the bad guys or they're gonna KILL you and your girlfriend. Movie 3, you gotta win a karate tournament again and if you don't oh well.

You can't raise the stakes and tension like that and just back peddle and still have an interesting story. Korra is suffering from this right now since she kinda defeated the physical manifestation of evil and is now worried about politics and 4 (albeit talented) assassins.


After Aang overcomes the Fire Nation, nothing can believably be a threat to him. He can never reach a low point again and have it not feel forced.

There is no threat. Just the world in recovery after a massive century of war. I think the comics dealing with the colonies was interesting. Just do the founding of republic city, rebuilding the various nations and then go back to the gaang having various side adventures.

I don't want other series to be clear. But I think they could do if they wanted to. Hell not everyone reads the comics. They could just animate those.

Edit: my bad you were replying to the idea of them doing a show of them as as adults once republic city is made and they run it.
 
I am firmly of the opinion that any story can be interesting. Threat doesn't have to be as large to be as significant. In rurouni kenshin, the series final villain was weaker than the villain before him, but he maintained being a threat because how he did different things.

That said, it'd take a lot of talent to pull off that kind of story, and that's something the writers of Korra lack. To be honest, I'd rather they do a completely new series, where they can set up their own rules for how things work without the constraints of past continuity.
 
I could see them doing a live action Avatar remake with slapstick comedy and a little more shipping .

"The "Gaang" is back in all new sitcom starring your favorite characters from Avatar: The Last Airbender! In this week's episode, Katara is not a fan of Aang's new mustache and Sokka loses his boomerang!"
 
when's the last episode airing ?
also, quality of season compared to season 1&2 ? (just better/worse than, no spoilers plix plox)

thanks !

Better than Season 1 and 2 so far. I think Amon and the equalist movement was a much better central conflict (well at least 6 episodes in). However episode to episode, the writing is much better. Like as stand alone episodes they are much more competent from a technical writing perspective. The setting is an improvement (compared to Reoublic City) and the characters are used much better. They've also found a good balance of humor that has brought the tone closer to ATLA at times.

I would give Book 1 an 8 overall and Book 2 a 5.
 
The episode description for Episode 9, "
The Stakeout"
is out:

Korra learns the truth about the group that is planning to destroy her.

For those who missed it, here's the description for E8,
"The Terror Within"
:

Zaheer and his gang try to kidnap Korra

I'm upbeat about that
E9
description, because:

It suggest that we're not going to get an end of the season twist, and therefore less of a danger of not meeting expectations by the end, like what happened to Amon. We're going to learn the truth about Zaheer with still 4 episodes to go.

Of course, we knew of Unalaq's plans at about the same time, so they can still go wrong there. But anyway, so far so good.
 
Just watched the black sun invasion episodes from ATLA. I don't recall have we seen an episode of korra where everything started out strong for the heroes but then just went to utter shit?
 
Why is Mako even in this season, what has he done?
He's in this season because he's team avatar and the only firebender outside of Korra in the team. He has had the focus for two seasons, I'm glad Bolin and his relationships are getting the time to shine. Chances are that his only contribution will be to battling, like that gif floating around the internet. Which again is fine.

With seasons as small as they are I'm not surprised Team Avatar isn't getting much time to have development outside of small things this season. Bolin might get a gf though if that counts.
 
Why is Mako even in this season, what has he done?

Given his scarf to Grandma? Honestly he could have stayed in republic city and did fuck all since Asami could take his place in half the scenes he is in. I don't mind. More screen time for a better Korra and Bolin. It was strange Asami was absent for the past 2 episodes.
 
Why is Mako even in this season, what has he done?

What has Korra done lol (she's taken a back seat too)? I think Mako has been used pretty well this season (when they've used him). But overall I would say that Asami and Mako are being underused. It's another issue of the writers having TOO big of a cast, and not knowing what to do with them. It's a shame, because I think compared to past seasons, Mako was utilized properly for the first time (in the first couple of episodes). Same goes for Asami (although she was likable in Book 1, and used well in some instances).

It's kind of bizarre, because really...Tenzin + his family had a pretty big focus in Book 2. And now the Airbender plot is one of the main driving stories this season, and so Tenzin + his family are again, heavily focused. I wonder why the writers even bothered with a new Team Avatar. Honestly. I mean, the scope of the airbender plot + Tenzin's family is big enough, I just don't see why she needed sidekicks. Especially if they can't even figure out how to make time for them.

I'm not too annoyed, because I would much rather have characters underused then being insufferable or bland. And well, some people think Mako is bland, I think he was improved in Book 2, and was used just right in Book 3 (I mean in terms of personality/group dynamic). But yeah, I think it's time to just accept that Team Avatar won't ever get proper development, and they will always kind of be in the background. Unless they decide to shift focus in a huge way in Book 4. But then it's like, what's the point this fart into series?

The only way I see that happening (personally), is if new romance happens for Korra between someone in the group. It's definitely not Mako, since that's over. I DOUBT it will be Asami (lol Nick don't have the balls to do it). So that pretty much just leaves Bolin. But he's got Opal (unless they end that plot by the end of the season, like they have done for every single romantic interest he has had). But even if that ends up being the case, lol who the fuck is interested in that? Outside of that, I can't really see what plot they could develop that would shift the group or someone in Team Avatar to being important status (with relation to Korra). It's just too far at this point to actually strengthen their friendship's to a believable point.
 
Any chemistry that Bolin and Korra had in season 1 is gone by now. And I really do fucking hope that Bolin doesn't get left behind again. That'd be 3 girls he had a romantic interest in that he never got a chance to get serious with
 
Better than both 1 and 2 so far.

Book 3 is so far better than Book 1 and 2.

Episodes air every Friday at 8pm EST.

Finale is Aug 8.

Better than Season 1 and 2 so far. I think Amon and the equalist movement was a much better central conflict (well at least 6 episodes in). However episode to episode, the writing is much better. Like as stand alone episodes they are much more competent from a technical writing perspective. The setting is an improvement (compared to Reoublic City) and the characters are used much better. They've also found a good balance of humor that has brought the tone closer to ATLA at times.

I would give Book 1 an 8 overall and Book 2 a 5.

alright, thanks for the answers
 
Any chemistry that Bolin and Korra had in season 1 is gone by now. And I really do fucking hope that Bolin doesn't get left behind again. That'd be 3 girls he had a romantic interest in that he never got a chance to get serious with

I still have my headcanon of Mako coming in last minute, fucking Opal, and throwing them deuces up.

JUST for the sheer reaction in this thread.
 
In regards to the conversation about Toph being such a horrible person and parent, it's not unusual for children of authority figures to rebel against authority in general. I was pretty religious growing up, and the children of pastors, reverends,etc. were so notorious for being rebellious, they were often referred to as simply PKs (Preacher's Kids).

This seems to apply to Suyin, who rebels simply to rebel.

Really, having a rebellious child doesn't mean someone is a bad parent. As a teacher, I can't tell you how many times I saw radical differences in siblings, even those just a couple years apart. How different could there upbringing have been?
 
And PK usually precedes "fire", to me.

PK FIRE

PK FREEZE

and there's a vietnamese place in my town called PK NOODLES

So naturally I scream that every time we drive by it.

and PK Noodles stands for Pho King Noodles.

But I pronouce it fucking noodles.
 
I still have my headcanon of Mako coming in last minute, fucking Opal, and throwing them deuces up.

JUST for the sheer reaction in this thread.
I'm just glad I'm in a forum where shipping isn't a thing. I remember the countless of fights between fans when ATLA was airing over kataang and zutara. Because if two characters of the opposite sex are about the same age, good looking and in the same scene together then they HAVE to get together.
 
I'm just glad I'm in a forum where shipping isn't a thing. I remember the countless of fights between fans when ATLA was airing over kataang and zutara. Because if two characters of the opposite sex are about the same age, good looking and in the same scene together then they HAVE to get together.

Were there toph and twinkletoes shippers?
 
Were there toph and twinkletoes shippers?

The were tons of ships, including Toph/Aang, but the main rivalry was between Kataang and Zutara. Even years street the show ended, you can still find people taking potshots at the other side on Avatar sites.
 
Were there toph and twinkletoes shippers?
I'm sure there was. But when you have two navy battalions of zutara and kataang fighting each other the small ship of tophaang probably didn't matter in the large scale. When they were showing previews of the season 2 finale the creators purposely trolled the fan base by showing the scene of katara leaning in to touch zukos face completely out of context. Nobody survived pre and post episode. IT WAS A FIREFIIIIIIGHT.

Korra on the other hand simply suffers because I genuinely do feel that they made mako to make the zutara fans feel better by having the bad boy get the girl over the funny good guy. Poor Bolin never stood a chance against "i love two girls" angst personified.
 
I still don't get how Zutara even became a thing.

Did they want these two to have a bunch of hate-sex?

Now, granted, I found Kaatang pretty boring AND I could see the bro-sis argument (as well as the romantic side) but that being said, Mike and Brian were about as subtle as a sledgehammer with saying "These two are going to fuck and have kids."

Hell, the only pairing I think is more blatant is Mikasa/Eren from AoT.
 
Any chemistry that Bolin and Korra had in season 1 is gone by now. And I really do fucking hope that Bolin doesn't get left behind again. That'd be 3 girls he had a romantic interest in that he never got a chance to get serious with

I agree. To be clear I wasn't saying they WOULD get together. Just that, it's the only thing I can see them doing (substantial wise) that would move someone up in terms of importance with Korra. At this point, I've just accepted that Team Avatar will always be in the background and won't really become important. Personally, I would rather have Korra just end up being single. Not every protagonist needs a love interest. So if it ends with Korra being single, that's 100% okay with me (plus, the writers have NEVER been able to do romance well on LoK).

I was just saying that Korra at this point can't be romantic with anyone in the group except Bolin. And I agree any chemistry they had in Book 1 is dead beyond dead. So that would be really ridiculous and contrived. But sadly, that's the only thing I could see them doing. *shrugs*

In regards to the conversation about Toph being such a horrible person and parent, it's not unusual for children of authority figures to rebel against authority in general. I was pretty religious growing up, and the children of pastors, reverends,etc. were so notorious for being rebellious, they were often referred to as simply PKs (Preacher's Kids).

This seems to apply to Suyin, who rebels simply to rebel.

Really, having a rebellious child doesn't mean someone is a bad parent. As a teacher, I can't tell you how many times I saw radical differences in siblings, even those just a couple years apart. How different could there upbringing have been?

Having a rebellious kid and letting them do whatever they want (even if it's criminal) is definitely bad parenting. Yeah, it's pretty common for kids to be rebellious, but I don't think it really applies to the situation here. Toph from the very beginning set the ground for complete freedom, where she would have little oversight to their actions. She wanted her kids to have complete freedom to become who they wanted to be. That's why Suyin would often taunt Lin about telling their mom. Suyin knew that Toph would do nothing about her actions.

So I don't really think the typical rebellious teenager thing applies here. Because Toph had created a setting where Suyin knew she could do what she wanted, and her mother would do absolutely nothing about it. The fact that she knew this, and had no issue pushing it (IMO means Toph was a shit parent). Plus, Suyin wasn't just being rebellious, she was doing criminal activities. Regardless if Toph is chief of Police or not, she's a shit parent for not doing anything about it.

I still don't get how Zutara even became a thing.

Did they want these two to have a bunch of hate-sex?

Now, granted, I found Kaatang pretty boring AND I could see the bro-sis argument (as well as the romantic side) but that being said, Mike and Brian were about as subtle as a sledgehammer with saying "These two are going to fuck and have kids."

Hell, the only pairing I think is more blatant is Mikasa/Eren from AoT.

I really do not get shipping. I just watched ATLA without ever thinking about that. I was actually surprised when I found out there was shipping online over it.
 
^I don't get why you think she won't remain single?

I mean, they made it pretty clear with the whole Makorra break up.

I seriously doubt their getting back together, despite Veelk's apprehension.
 
^I don't get why you think she won't remain single?

I mean, they made it pretty clear with the whole Makorra break up.

I seriously doubt their getting back together, despite Veelk's apprehension.

I do think she will remain single!

I was just saying IMO the only way they could make anyone else in team avatar important (in terms of how the plot ends, or where they fit in the canon of the story), is if the Avatar is romantic with someone. But we already know she won't get with Mako or Asami. SO...

Bleh. It was just a hypothetical. I don't think anyone will be hooking up, nor do I want them to. Basically, I was just saying that Team Avatar will always just be background characters,and at this point in the plot, I don't see any of them becoming important. Lol

I feel like my post was taken like as a pro shipping post or something.
 
^I don't get why you think she won't remain single?

I mean, they made it pretty clear with the whole Makorra break up.

I seriously doubt their getting back together, despite Veelk's apprehension.

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I don't remember (seriously) saying I think they'll get back together. I think it'd suck if they did, but I don't think it's likely, especially with this season being more competently written than a bunch of monkeys banging keyboards with bananas like the last season.

Korrasami 4 lyfe.

I really do not get shipping. I just watched ATLA without ever thinking about that. I was actually surprised when I found out there was shipping online over it.

You clearly haven't been around the fanfic circles very long. There is shipping for everything and every one. Are they friends? Someone ships them. Do they hate each other? Someone ships them. Did they only know each other for a day? Have they never met? Are they different species? They get shipped.

Someone, somewhere, is currently writing the epic romance of Ju Li and Naga. And yes, they include porn with it.
 
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I don't remember (seriously) saying I think they'll get back together. I think it'd suck if they did, but I don't think it's likely, especially with this season being more competently written than a bunch of monkeys banging keyboards with bananas like the last season.

Korrasami 4 lyfe.



You clearly haven't been around the fanfic circles very long. There is shipping for everything and every one. Are they friends? Someone ships them. Do they hate each other? Someone ships them. Did they only know each other for a day? Have they never met? Are they different species? They get shipped.

Someone, somewhere, is currently writing the epic romance of Ju Li and Naga. And yes, they include porn with it.

I haven't. I'll admit I've been out of the loop with tumblr and fanfic forums/sites. I'm still not even clued in with Tumblr (even though everyone uses it). =/

*old man yells and shakes fist at the sky* etc.

I didn't hear about the Zuko x Katara stuff until I finished the show and read that a big portion of the fan base was angry lol.
 
Someone wrote an pretty good write up on how a Zuko and Katara relationship would have affected the narrative:

I think if you ask a Zutarian shipper for an honest, critical assessment of where they think Kataang didn’t meet their expectations, it would be in one place: Katara’s half of the narrative had to be secondary to Aang’s. In the end, Katara is part of Aang’s story. This in and of itself isn’t necessarily bad or wrong, but it’s standard fare, and the pacing of season three dropped the ball on elaborating on Katara’s feelings with the due attention it needed. Is Katara a “prize” to be won by anyone? No. She isn’t. But in retrospect, with Katara ending up with Aang, the narrative feeds “Aang is a hero. Aang has the girl. Aang’s story goes on, and Katara keeps up Aang’s story after his death.” Not her own, but Aang’s. Yes, TLOK shows that Katara has moved to the South Pole and has taught students there but the focus of her presence is as Aang’s wife, the mother of Aang’s children, etc. We don’t see a single flashback of her, and moreover, we don’t get references of what she did with herself outside of Aang’s story. Toph’s significant other is never even shown and to be honest, whomever he was is irrelevant because Toph was the Chief of Police, and a famous Sifu in her own right.

Aang being with Katara forces Katara’s narrative to include him, which is not unusual or wrong, but is a bit imbalanced. Zutara basically is an idea that that concept can be subverted; it’s a “romance” [and I use the term in a loose, non-physical sense] of two hero’s journeys, rather than just one.
 
There's a show on LMN called Killer Kids. It is friggin' insane (and you should watch it), but one theme that seems to pervade is that the crazy kids will end up being who they are and doing what they do regardless how their parents are. I mean, yes, there are a few episodes, where the parents are absentee/raging alcoholics/abusive/etc., but the most chilling ones are where the household seems perfectly normal.
 
Someone wrote an pretty good write up on how a Zuko and Katara relationship would have affected the narrative:

I don't think I agree, given Zuko was essentially a deuteragonist. His importance in the story seemed atleast as important as Aang's. If Aang's presence made her a side character in his story, I don't think her getting with Zuko would have been significantly different. Personally, I always thought of Katara as a great feminist character because her complex characterization that is defined by her own agency. Her story was within Aang's, but that did not take away that she had her own journey. I suppose I agree that it would have subverted the trope of the hero getting the girl, but if you want to do that effectively, a more appropriate pairing would have been for Katara to get with some side/minor character instead of Zuko (like the way Zuko got with relatively minor character Mai, or Sokka with Suki and Yue)

That said, in light of Legend of Korra, I do wish that more light was shed on the accomplishments of the Gaang post-TLA. I mean, here's what we've got:

Aang who founded Republic City and was a figure of power as a politician in that time, Zuko was the Fire Lord for many years and is now leading the counter-attack on the Z-team's escape, Toph became the Police Chief, and Sokka a representative of the Souther Water Tribe who testified in Yakone's trial, while we have Katara, who by all accounts seems to fulfill the role of Gran-gran in the TLA series.

To me, these are sort of...weird. Okay, Aang creating a city where all four nations come together is appropriate for an avatar and a good response to the war that happened before. And Zuko working with him is just as appropriate. It is essentially what they set out to do together at the end of TLA. But the rest?

There's already been a bunch of talk over Toph and how her becoming Police Chief is an odd choice. I don't know if I agree, since I can definitely see a story where she ends up as that happening, but she could have just as easily become part of the military or maybe bending wrestler or whatever (that's essentially what she was as The Blind Bandit). Toph of TLA was a fighter, and I don't see her living her life happily if she can't do that, so Police Chief, while somewhat odd, is appropriate. But then Sokka became a representative of the Water Tribe? A politician, really? The TLA series kind of painted Sokka as a renaissance man of sorts. He was a warrior, he was a military tactician, he could do haiku's on the spot, he was a swordsman, he invented blimps, he was good with mechanics, he was an artist (not a good one, but he clearly kept up the practice regardless of talent). So, while I definitely see why the Southern Water Tribe might need a representative and he may look as a good pick because of his journey with Aang, it's odd that they have him end up a politician of all things. He should have been the Leonardo da Vinci of his time (though..you know, probably not as talented).

Which brings us back to Katara. See, while I might find the position that Toph and Sokka took to be questionable, what is going on with Katara? Every other character here has some official position of power, but with Katara, it's more implied. They clearly respect her word on things, but I'm not sure if she has any actual power, and I don't know what she's exactly done besides raise a family with Aang. I feel her being the representative of the SWT would be more appropriate than Sokka, since she was the more culturally concious and concerned of the two anyway. She was the one that was always trying to learn more about and preserve her culture and family (it's what got her into the whole mess with Hama). It'd make sense that she'd be the one who would bring the SWT back into the world, but it doesn't give us any indication that that happened. Back in Book 1, I had assumed that Katara was the one who lead the legislation against Bloodbending (which would make sense, given her history), but it never actually said that either.

So, while I'm happy with Katara from a feminist perspective in TLA, LoK has her essentially just been "The Avatar's Wife" and not much else if we are going to go by what the show said.
 
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