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[Trey]

That's because Suyin forced the issue by finding out who is on the ship and going there herself, not because Korra 'allowed' it.

Anyway, nope. The fight is specifically between Suyin and Lin. Everyone else is third party. Opal is collateral, but so is Korra, since Lin is letting her anger affect how she interacts with them as well (She did break Naga's ball). Opal was pretty much completely avoided until she directly confronted Lin. But if it IS her business, then Korra still didn't do anything wrong. Again, all she did was advise Opal. She didn't twist her arm to get there. Opal is the one who did the actual confrontation, so whether it is 'her business' or not. Unless your arguing that other people don't even have the right to speak their opinion on issues, Korra did nothing wrong.

But like I said, this is all bullshit. Lin is her friend, despite how much of a grouch she is. That makes it Korra's business to help solve any problems she can, if she chooses to. If she choose to lock the two sisters in a room until they resolved the issue, maybe you'd have a point, but all she did was go to Opal and said "Hey, you should talk, maybe you can work out what your mom can't." This is all she did. It's absurd to consider this an invasion of privacy. This isn't tactless, this isn't a threat, this isn't out of line in any conceivable way I can think of. That is being conciliatory. This is as respectful a contribution to help work towards a solution between the two sisters as I can think of.

Korra facilitated the meeting. Korra brought Opal to Lin. Opal desired to speak with Lin, and her desire was understandable. But from Korra's point of view, she knew Lin clearly had no desire to interact with Suyin nor meet Opal. Korra is actually incredulous that Lin wants to stay away from her family, but instead of opening a dialog with Lin to understand her motivations, she places them all in an awkward situation then scolds Lin for the fallout.

And I strictly disagree with the notion that because you are someone's friend, you can make their issues that don't concern you* your personal business. Lin made it clear what she was and wasn't comfortable with. And Lin's decision did not negatively impact Korra's mission to find new airbenders or to even recruit Opal. Yet despite all of that she made a call and it blew up in Lin's face. And further, Korra did nothing to help Lin through her personal crisis, which Korra is directly responsible for setting off in earnest.

Let me back up a bit. I understand that Korra should try and help people, especially her friends. But who was Korra actually doing this for? Opal expressed an interest in meeting Lin but would have gotten on fine without. Lin expressed an interest in not having a relationship with Suyin nor Opal, to the point of becoming openly belligerent. Korra does not even approach Lin to assess where her mind is at or give her the outlet she needed. It's reasonable to believe Lin would not have opened up to Korra, but at least the attempt would have been made. Korra could see that Lin would not be receptive to having her niece sprung on her, yet does so at the behest of Opal, who finds value in meeting her much talked about - yet mysterious - aunt.

To me this situations basically reads as thus: Lin does not want to do something, and Korra - not nearly understanding the depths of Lin's reasoning - does that thing anyways. The context surrounding this situation makes it understandable for Korra to want to mend this issue, but she goes about the situation in a careless way that hurts multiple people.

It's a relatively complex situation and you can understand the character motivations, but I hope that Korra understands her part in all this, and becomes more respectful of either side of a conflict going forward.

*People have their own personal things in life, and of course barriers are erected around them. Navigating these barriers can be a hassle, and becoming someone's friend does not entitle you to help assuage those barriers if said friend explicitly makes it known they want you to drop it. I don't think Korra should have never tried to help Lin get over her family issues, but it should have been a damn sight better than "I know you don't want a relationship with your family, but I think you're buggin, so here's your niece who's dying to meet you."

That's not what i was referencing.

I was talking the about what happened in the Great Divide.

I know. Which is why I said "I actually thought of..." to say that this situation made me think of a different situation than the one you were talking about.

Although Aang pulling a fast one to get shit done is a pretty interesting decision. You can chalk it up to him being naive that peace built upon a lie is likely to end in disaster, and a problem Aang will probably have to deal with later in his life.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Can we just agree that while Korra didn't do something incredibly wrong in intervening in the family issue, at least nothing somebody else wouldn't do, that the way she was judging Lin about being grumpy was really hypocritically hilarious?

 

[Joeytj]

You know...

I'm 6 episodes into Book 2 of ATLA (part of the tenth time I've watched the whole series) and some of the things Aang and the rest of the Gaang do aren't that much better in terms of being morally right or wrong, compared to Korra.

I get that ALTA was more of a kid's show, and Aang's actions aren't meant to be taken more seriously, but fans sometimes act like Aang was morally superior in every way to Korra (or smarter) and re-watching ATLA, I honestly think that many of you have been way to harsh on Korra, the character, and even the show.

Not excusing the problems with the writing throughout LOK, but honestly, Aang did some messed up things in ATLA, and so did his friends, as funny, fun and epic as the story was. If Korra would've done some of the things the original Team Avatar did, you would all go nuts.

But, I understand also that LOK asked for the extra scrutiny once it presented itself as a series for an older audience with political and social topics, and by focusing itself on older characters that "should know better", or at least the more mature setting. And also, the series sometimes does a poor job of justifying some of the character's actions (less development of them and therefore less sympathy).

Still, I don't know, sometimes the criticism against Korra goes too far. I don't have that much of a problem with Korra threatening a judge, for example. Plenty of times the Gaang (especially Zuko, even after he became "good") did really morally unacceptable stuff, or threatened to do them.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Kind of a weird gripe but I'm tiring of "I'm sorry" being used in LoK as an acceptable form of character development and progression. Once or twice is okay but jeebus every apology is starting to grate me becomes is not feeling as dynamic or natural.

Or maybe I'm talking out of my ass idk

 

[Trey]

The thing about AtLA was that Aang learned from his mistakes most of the time. He learned to accept his responsibility and confront his fears. He was dynamic and you see him grow over time.

Although I like Korra, she's very shallow. Nothing about her really developed until recently. Her answers to problems are not only predictable, but usually lacking in utility. She's simply not dominant enough as a bender nor smart enough as a tactician to be as "my way or the highway" as she is. And most disappointingly, you don't see her grow or learn from the consequences of her actions.

One of my favorite episodes is early in Book Air when she gets abducted by Amon. She was understandably fearful leading up to the confrontation but masked it with her usual bravado. When Amon lets her go, it's back to business as usual: nothing changes within Korra from that encounter. How can you have your fears proven completely correct and not have your behavior change without any kind of introspection or wisdom gained? Korra was quickly cut to size by first Amon, then Tarrlok, and continues to insist upon rushing in to fight without thinking or understanding. When Extremes Meet was basically Tarrlok spending the entire episode reading Korra.

 

[maharg]

You know...

I'm 6 episodes into Book 2 of ATLA (part of the tenth time I've watched the whole series) and some of the things Aang and the rest of the Gaang do aren't that much better in terms of being morally right or wrong, compared to Korra.

I get that ALTA was more of a kid's show, and Aang's actions aren't meant to be taken more seriously, but fans sometimes act like Aang was morally superior in every way to Korra (or smarter) and re-watching ATLA, I honestly think that many of you have been way to harsh on Korra, the character, and even the show.

Not excusing the problems with the writing throughout LOK, but honestly, Aang did some messed up things in ATLA, and so did his friends, as funny, fun and epic as the story was. If Korra would've done some of the things the original Team Avatar did, you would all go nuts.

But, I understand also that LOK asked for the extra scrutiny once it presented itself as a series for an older audience with political and social topics, and by focusing itself on older characters that "should know better", or at least the more mature setting. And also, the series sometimes does a poor job of justifying some of the character's actions (less development of them and therefore less sympathy).

Still, I don't know, sometimes the criticism against Korra goes too far. I don't have that much of a problem with Korra threatening a judge, for example. Plenty of times the Gaang (especially Zuko, even after he became "good") did really morally unacceptable stuff, or threatened to do them.

ATLA gets a pass on the imperfection of their solutions to problems because the characters are kids (note: not because it's a kids show, that's different and also imo very much untrue), and because they actually seem to be trying to do their best.

Korra loses on this because so much of it focuses on what amounts to teenage angst. The Korra Krew all seem very inwardly focused, and it makes their progress through the greater story feel petty and small.

The Great Divide is the only episode of ATLA that feels like Korra in this regard to me. And it's one reason I consider it probably the worst episode of any Avatar.

 

[Veelk]

Korra facilitated the meeting. Korra brought Opal to Lin. Opal desired to speak with Lin, and her desire was understandable. But from Korra's point of view, she knew Lin clearly had no desire to interact with Suyin nor meet Opal. Korra is actually incredulous that Lin wants to stay away from her family, but instead of opening a dialog with Lin to understand her motivations, she places them all in an awkward situation then scolds Lin for the fallout.

And I strictly disagree with the notion that because you are someone's friend, you can make their issues that don't concern you* your personal business. Lin made it clear what she was and wasn't comfortable with. And Lin's decision did not negatively impact Korra's mission to find new airbenders or to even recruit Opal. Yet despite all of that she made a call and it blew up in Lin's face. And further, Korra did nothing to help Lin through her personal crisis, which Korra is directly responsible for setting off in earnest.

Let me back up a bit. I understand that Korra should try and help people, especially her friends. But who was Korra actually doing this for? Opal expressed an interest in meeting Lin but would have gotten on fine without. Lin expressed an interest in not having a relationship with Suyin nor Opal, to the point of becoming openly belligerent. Korra does not even approach Lin to assess where her mind is at or give her the outlet she needed. It's reasonable to believe Lin would not have opened up to Korra, but at least the attempt would have been made. Korra could see that Lin would not be receptive to having her niece sprung on her, yet does so at the behest of Opal, who finds value in meeting her much talked about - yet mysterious - aunt.

To me this situations basically reads as thus: Lin does not want to do something, and Korra - not nearly understanding the depths of Lin's reasoning - does that thing anyways. The context surrounding this situation makes it understandable for Korra to want to mend this issue, but she goes about the situation in a careless way that hurts multiple people.

It's a relatively complex situation and you can understand the character motivations, but I hope that Korra understands her part in all this, and becomes more respectful of either side of a conflict going forward.

*People have their own personal things in life, and of course barriers are erected around them. Navigating these barriers can be a hassle, and becoming someone's friend does not entitle you to help assuage those barriers if said friend explicitly makes it known they want you to drop it. I don't think Korra should have never tried to help Lin get over her family issues, but it should have been a damn sight better than "I know you don't want a relationship with your family, but I think you're buggin, so here's your niece who's dying to meet you."

To be honest I don't really have an interest to keep this debate going, because there isn't any miscommunication. You say "I know you don't want a relationship with your family, but I think you're buggin, so here's your niece who's dying to meet you." is too much. I think it's just enough. Our positions are clear and we are at an impasse. So I will only add three things and leave it at that:

1. I still think you are not giving credit where it's due. Korra didn't make Opal do anything. Yes, she facilitated it. To facilitate something is just make something easier or more likely. But if a confrontation between Lin and Opal was truly wrong, than Opal is the one who bears the responsibility because it is ultimately her choice whether or not to go. You cannot blame this on Korra, because no matter how much she may or may not have pleaded with Opal to go, if she said no, it would have never have happened. You might think she is wrongheaded to think that communication would be beneficial, but she just advised a person to the best of her abilities and that's all you can ask from her. The decision to follow that advise is Opal's and Opal's alone. If this meeting was the wrong thing to do, it's Opal's fault. To say otherwise is to say that Opal isn't her own person and cannot make her own decisions.

2. To be clear, yes, there are boundaries. But I define those boundaries by whether or not the friend is handling it. If I see a friend of mine on fire, and he is insisting that he has it under complete control while doing nothing to put out the flames, I'm going douse him with water whether he wants me to or not. Lin wasn't being asking for her privacy to be respected. If she was, that'd be something else, but that's not what it was. She was insulting, throwing a fit, and generally being a problem every time Suyin tried to communicate with her, to the point of near violence, and it eventually did culminate in violence. This was a problem and it was in need of resolution. The solutions here are either A. Tell Suyin to stop trying to reconnect with her sister or B. Try to fix whatever is wrong with Lin. To ask A of Suyin is depressing and giving up, so she went with B, not unreasonably. And I find the notion that 'politely suggesting an innocent party talk to her nicely' is crossing any kind of boundaries to be nothing short of absurd. If this is happening to your friends, and you do nothing, I would not want to be your friend.

3. Here is the dialogue from the last scene of episode 5.

Korra: Hey, it's me. I brought someone here who wants to talk to you.
*Lin looks over to see Opal.*
Lin: You want to talk? Then talk.

See that? That may be gruff and rude, but it is also an invitation and consent to a conversation. Opal choose of her own free will to come to Lin and talk. Lin choose of her own free will to allow Opal to talk to her. Korra is a complete thug at various points in the series, where she does her best to force her view on people. But this is not one of those times. It just isn't, not when she isn't the one who initiated the conversation and the other person gave free consent to it.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Just watched the Beach episode of ATLA. Fuck me I forgot how much I love this episode. It took everything wrong with the typical anime beach episode and made it right by having characters actually express and evolve outside of the quirky beach adventures. Not to mention badass Aang scene with the air against the explosion.

 

[ReiGun]

Just watched last week's episodes.

So Tenzin's story arc is just "Tenzin is garbage. The end." I feel like we've had this "Tenzin learning how out of touch and stubborn he is" story a dozen times already.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Why did I watch this again I'm tearing up and sniffling :'(

 

[Veelk]

And just like that, we're back to TLA discussions. Like clockwork.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

lol sorry but I'm currently rewatching it with a friend to prepare him for the disappointment that is Korra. Because if he's not disappointed like I am, what's the point? On the upside it's HD right?

 

[openrob]

And just like that, we're back to TLA discussions. Like clockwork.

Since that's the case, could anyone suggest where to get the cheapest copy of Avatar: The Art of the Animated Series?
UK.

 

[Hamlet]

Since that's the case, could anyone suggest where to get the cheapest copy of Avatar: The Art of the Animated Series?
UK.

Amazon UK has it for a decent price

 

[Blackhead]

ATLA gets a pass on the imperfection of their solutions to problems because the characters are kids (note: not because it's a kids show, that's different and also imo very much untrue), and because they actually seem to be trying to do their best.

Korra loses on this because so much of it focuses on what amounts to teenage angst. The Korra Krew all seem very inwardly focused, and it makes their progress through the greater story feel petty and small.

This is a bit silly; the ATLA and LoK characters are all teenagers. Except Aang who is 112 yrs old Not sure where you got the impression that Korra and Team Avatar aren't trying to do their best or that the ATLA gang never had petty concerns...

 

[Veelk]

The main difference between the Gaang and the Krew in how they handle their problems is there is no main difference. There are hundreds, all working with each other.

The Gaang learns better from their mistakes, the Gaang improvises better in their problems.

The Gaang even fails better in their problems. As of book 3, there hasn't been a single mistake that the Krew made that was as dangerous or harmful as Zuko betraying the Gaang in the season 2 finale. But this was mistake that built on several dozen episodes of development. It made perfect sense that Zuko would make that mistake, and it was the most heartwrenching thing that ever happened on avatar. We were angry, sad, betrayed, upset, disappointed....It was the greatest failure that occurred within the series. There is not a single screw up in Korra that even touch's Zuko's.


The problem of Korra isn't that they have too many or too few mistakes, it's just that the characters and the plot and setting are all coherent with each other. From there, Zuko can make the worst betrayal of the entire series, and not only is it terrible, it is brilliant.

 

[RoKKeR]

Ratings are slightly up this week
Should remain steady now that there are no more big breaks between the episodes

306 - 1.282 million; .4 adults 18-49 rating

307 - 1.334 million; .4 adults 18-49 rating

TVBTN Friday cable ratings

Since I'm late on the train to this show, how are these? Really know nothing about TV ratings and what's good or bad.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

The main difference between the Gaang and the Krew in how they handle their problems is there is no main difference. There are hundreds, all working with each other.

The Gaang learns better from their mistakes, the Gaang improvises better in their problems.

The Gaang even fails better in their problems. As of book 3, there hasn't been a single mistake that the Krew made that was as dangerous or harmful as Zuko betraying the Gaang in the season 2 finale. But this was mistake that built on several dozen episodes of development. It made perfect sense that Zuko would make that mistake, and it was the most heartwrenching thing that ever happened on avatar. We were angry, sad, betrayed, upset, disappointed....It was the greatest failure that occurred within the series. There is not a single screw up in Korra that even touch's Zuko's.


The problem of Korra isn't that they have too many or too few mistakes, it's just that the characters and the plot and setting are all coherent with each other. From there, Zuko can make the worst betrayal of the entire series, and not only is it terrible, it is brilliant.

What are you talking about we had just as big of a screw-up in Korra as Zuko's betrayal.

Like when Mako totally made out with Korra even though he was dating Asami OH MY GOOOOOOOOD

 

[Satch]

mako hurting asami TWICE is LITERALLY worse than the air nomad genocide

 

[Deadly]

Since Iroh left his body and lived on as a spirit in the spirit world, now that harmonic convergence happened, would Iroh be able to chill in the human world now?

 

[Hamlet]

Since I'm late on the train to this show, how are these? Really know nothing about TV ratings and what's good or bad.

Pretty bad to be honest, but its not the fault of the show more due to Nick continuously screwing the show over and over again

• Book 1 drew an average of 3.8 million viewers per episode
• Book 2 had about an average of 2 million viewers
• Book 3 looks like it ain't going get over the 2 million mark

LOK ratings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Legend_of_Korra_episodes

The move to Friday really killed the shows rating plus a lack of advertising especially for Book 3 has had quite a impact on the ratings.Plus the fact they only announced the Book premiere a week before it aired with minimal advertising
The good thing though is we are getting Book 4 no matter what as they are already pretty far into production for it

 

[Blackhead]

The main difference between the Gaang and the Krew in how they handle their problems is there is no main difference. There are hundreds, all working with each other.

The Gaang learns better from their mistakes, the Gaang improvises better in their problems.

The Gaang even fails better in their problems. As of book 3, there hasn't been a single mistake that the Krew made that was as dangerous or harmful as Zuko betraying the Gaang in the season 2 finale. But this was mistake that built on several dozen episodes of development. It made perfect sense that Zuko would make that mistake, and it was the most heartwrenching thing that ever happened on avatar. We were angry, sad, betrayed, upset, disappointed....It was the greatest failure that occurred within the series. There is not a single screw up in Korra that even touch's Zuko's.


The problem of Korra isn't that they have too many or too few mistakes, it's just that the characters and the plot and setting are all coherent with each other. From there, Zuko can make the worst betrayal of the entire series, and not only is it terrible, it is brilliant.

so any show that doesn't have a heel face revolving door like Zuko immediately sucks? You've really got ATLA on a pedestal *smh*

What are you talking about we had just as big of a screw-up in Korra as Zuko's betrayal.

Like when Mako totally made out with Korra even though he was dating Asami OH MY GOOOOOOOOD

mako hurting asami TWICE is LITERALLY worse than the air nomad genocide

You jest but Asami deciding to reject her father's crusade instead of betraying team avatar, in contrast to zuko betraying the gaang, had emotional weight. It wasn't only kissing and romance, you know.

Pretty bad to be honest, but its not the fault of the show more due to Nick continuously screwing the show over and over again

• Book 1 drew an average of 3.8 million viewers per episode
• Book 2 had about an average of 2 million viewers
• Book 3 looks like it ain't going get over the 2 million mark

LOK ratings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Legend_of_Korra_episodes

The move to Friday really killed the shows rating plus a lack of advertising especially for Book 3 has had quite a impact on the ratings.Plus the fact they only announced the Book premiere a week before it aired with minimal advertising
The good thing though is we are getting Book 4 no matter what as they are already pretty far into production for it

They also messed up season 2 by moving it from 8pm to 8:30 midseason iirc. nick sucks

 

[Admiral Woofington]

mako hurting asami TWICE is LITERALLY worse than the air nomad genocide

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh jesus this made my night

You jest but Asami deciding to reject her father's crusade instead of betraying team avatar, in contrast to zuko betraying the gaang, had emotional weight. It wasn't only kissing and romance, you know.

Of course everything wasn't just cheating piece of shit Mako and douchey Korra doing her worst Zuko impression. ATLA had its issues. Most shows do as none is perfect. The difference is that Korra has more negative to it, especially when compared to the previous season. Is it unfair? Maybe. Asami's choice in season 1 was overwhelmed by all the crap decisions they made with the teenage romance angst and fucking up the anti-air movement. Season 2 was ruined because they decided to make Korra into 'Get angry at everything that moves' the Avatar, and then made other characters horrible just so she wasn't the only one who brought down the show. I mean this outside of every other issue. Asami was like one of the few survivors of bad character development in all like 3 or 4 episodes she appeared in. Season 3 has the Krew emulating their best Gaang which is great as this is the best we have seen them, but even then we are halfway through the short season and the biggest threat to Korra are 4 random villains who were introduced out of nowhere and are the ultimate badasses. Which is fine because they are. But then we have the forgotten spirit world influence on the new world. They haven't really mentioned its effect in a large scale outside of the first episode truly, and it was meant to be this world changing event that would rock the foundation of Avatar by its core. What's the rush of making a villain per season? If they knew they'd be renewed for 3 more seasons why didn't they attempt to bring a bigger threat in?

 

[Veelk]

so any show that doesn't have a heel face revolving door like Zuko immediately sucks? You've really got ATLA on a pedestal *smh*

Yes, that is exactly, literally, word for word what I said, without the meaning skewed in the slightest.

 

[RoKKeR]

Pretty bad to be honest, but its not the fault of the show more due to Nick continuously screwing the show over and over again

• Book 1 drew an average of 3.8 million viewers per episode
• Book 2 had about an average of 2 million viewers
• Book 3 looks like it ain't going get over the 2 million mark

LOK ratings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Legend_of_Korra_episodes

The move to Friday really killed the shows rating plus a lack of advertising especially for Book 3 has had quite a impact on the ratings.Plus the fact they only announced the Book premiere a week before it aired with minimal advertising
The good thing though is we are getting Book 4 no matter what as they are already pretty far into production for it

Man, that's a bummer to hear. Makes you wonder what's in store for the franchise after Korra has run it's course.

 

[Kinvara]

Man, that's a bummer to hear. Makes you wonder what's in store for the franchise after Korra has run it's course.

I hope Nick doesn't try to do anything stupid with it.

Like with what happened to Teen Titans...

 

[Admiral Woofington]

huh didn't even realize there was a comic series currently running to connect ATLA and Korra. I mean besides the other two series that deal with the aftermath of the first series. It releases its second issue in 1 week and the third in november. Will be reading it because I love the gaang.

 

[Not]

Since Iroh left his body and lived on as a spirit in the spirit world, now that harmonic convergence happened, would Iroh be able to chill in the human world now?

Yes. Until the Plothole Patcher™ 3000 gets up and running again

 

[Kinvara]

huh didn't even realize there was a comic series currently running to connect ATLA and Korra. I mean besides the other two series that deal with the aftermath of the first series. It releases its second issue in 1 week and the third in november. Will be reading it because I love the gaang.

The feelings on the comics are pretty mixed but I like them well enough. The writing is not as good as A:TLA's best but still better than some of LoK's IMO.

The Promise did a fantastic job of covering cultural appropriation. This is a subject that I have never seen a comic tackle before. So bonus points to them.

 

[-Deimos]

I think I have to rewatch ATLA again. I'm not caught up on the comics either.

 

[RoKKeR]

I hope Nick doesn't try to do anything stupid with it.

Like with what happened to Teen Titans...

Do they own the rights to the entire franchise?

 

[GulAtiCa]

Will this ever show up on Nick.com? Don't like that this season they are skipping out on putting it on their website.

 

[Shard]

Wait, how did we get to Korra?

 

[Admiral Woofington]

The feelings on the comics are pretty mixed but I like them well enough. The writing is not as good as A:TLA's best but still better than some of LoK's IMO.

The Promise did a fantastic job of covering cultural appropriation. This is a subject that I have never seen a comic tackle before. So bonus points to them.

Yeah i liked the comics. They tackled those issues pretty well. Not to mention they gave insight to what happened to some of the characters and their relationships such as zukos life.

 

[Cloud Strife]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWT5uHzAFIg

Addicted.

 

[RoKKeR]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWT5uHzAFIg

Addicted.

That's one thing I've noticed consistently throughout while binging the show the last week or so... the music. It was great in ATLA, but it is on a completely different level in LoK.

So good.

 

[AoM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWT5uHzAFIg

Addicted.

That top comment... man, that's hard to read.

 

[Joeytj]

Just watched the Beach episode of ATLA. Fuck me I forgot how much I love this episode. It took everything wrong with the typical anime beach episode and made it right by having characters actually express and evolve outside of the quirky beach adventures. Not to mention badass Aang scene with the air against the explosion.

Katie Mattilla wrote that episode.

Katie Mattilla wrote the recent "Old Wounds" in LOK, or Episode 6, of Book 3 Change. And is also the script coordinator for Book 3.

So, there you go, maybe that gives you hope for Book 3 .

 

[Satch]

You jest but Asami deciding to reject her father's crusade instead of betraying team avatar, in contrast to zuko betraying the gaang, had emotional weight. It wasn't only kissing and romance, you know.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh jesus this made my night

idk why you guys thought i was joking

 

[zeemumu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWT5uHzAFIg

Addicted.

The Legend of Korra: Jinora's Mask main theme

 

[Joeytj]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWT5uHzAFIg

Addicted.

And Book 3 is giving us even more jewels, like this:

Zaheer's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwPCd1D2tZA

Honestly, it's a bummer and a testament to how much Nick sucks at Avatar in general for not releasing more soundtracks. They are some of the best pieces of music on TV (if not THE best) and we've only gotten one album.

 

[WrenchNinja]

How does Zuko betraying Iroh and the gang not have emotional weight? For most of season 1 Zuko was the antagonist but he was very sympathetic. With season 2 we saw him be humbled and completely broken down only to see him build himself up again. We wanted him to do good and and move on. And when the chance came for him to finally join the Avatar and do ultimate good, he rejected it, completely disappointing Iroh and the audience. He does it because deep down he was still desperate for his fathers approval even after everything that happened in book 2.

I dont see how he's a revolving door of villainy and heroism. Book 1 he is a clear antagonist despite helping the avatar once or twice, it is for his own ends. Book 2 is just him trying to survive. He tries to do good once and that ends with everyone rejecting him because of who he is (Zuko Alone). With the crossroads he decides that he wants his father's approval and that is another instance of him trying to survive. Book 3 is him actively making the choice to be good because the life he envisioned can't erase the experiences he's had out in the world and the enormous guilt he feels for betraying Iroh.

 

[HassanJamal]

If we're talking about how wonderful the soundtrack for LoK is, my favorite has got to be I left my heart in republic city. Strangely, Im having a hard time when this was used in Book 1.

 

[Kangi]

If we're talking about how wonderful the soundtrack for LoK is, my favorite has got to be I left my heart in republic city. Strangely, Im having a hard time when this was used in Book 1.

Sounds like from when Bolin was crying in the noodle shop. That or his and Korra's date.

 

[Blackhead]

How does Zuko betraying Iroh and the gang not have emotional weight?

I'm not saying Zuko betraying the gang doesn't have emotional weight. I'm saying it's stupid comparing Zuko's betrayal to LoK shipping jokes. It's not like S1 and S2 didn't of ATLA didn't have its own shipping stuff with kyoshi avatar fangirls, aang jealous of jet, soka and his moonspirit, the lovers cave etc. *ugh* Anyway Veelk suggesting that because LoK won't have emotional weight just it doesn't have a character exactly like Zuko is silly... I guess my problem was taking Veelk's bait in the first place. This is a guy who shits on anything not ATLA or his "few choice fanfiction"

Btw, if anyone wants to see what an actually good Avatar origin story would be like, I recommend this.

I read this before Korra came out, and it was the perfect origin myth for the Avatar. It's short enough that you can finish it in 5 minutes, if not less. It's fairy tale prose is perfect for the story it is trying to tell and you could almost hear Iroh or Aang voice telling you this story while you sit and listen like a child. And best of all, everything Korra has forgotten about what spirituality and bending actually mean, this remembers. To explain it in any more detail than that would be basically spoiling what is a very short story to begin with, but read it, and you will see what I mean.

If your quoting the comics, I consider those non canon, if only in my mind.

I haven't, don't care to. Reliable sources have informed me it suffers from the same narrative degeneration that LoK does. I don't know the specifics, but I don't need to. I'll be happy with the show and a few choice fanfics that also understand how to do the series justice.

Just do what I do.

View LoK as a noncanon, hypothetical continuation of Avatar. The sad truth is that LoK has added almost nothing of large value to the universe.

practically trollish that he hates Korra so much and yet has one of the highest number of posts in every Korra thread *shrug*

Since Iroh left his body and lived on as a spirit in the spirit world, now that harmonic convergence happened, would Iroh be able to chill in the human world now?

Yes. Until the Plothole Patcher™ 3000 gets up and running again

Already explained:

Bryan explains that only humans who gain an extreme connection to the Spirits can transcend into the Spirit World after death. Uncle Iroh and the Painted Lady are two examples of humans who transcended into the Spirit World after death.

 

[Psxphile]

I hope Nick doesn't try to do anything stupid with it.

Like with what happened to Teen Titans...

We're long overdue for some Korra shorts, actually.

 

[Jintor]

Platinum just tweeted this out

why doesn't twitter have some thing where you can export a tweet as an image file for easy sharing?

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Katie Mattilla wrote that episode.

Katie Mattilla wrote the recent "Old Wounds" in LOK, or Episode 6, of Book 3 Change. And is also the script coordinator for Book 3.

So, there you go, maybe that gives you hope for Book 3 .

I really loved Old Wounds, I know some people have some issues with Toph's characterization but the episode basically had everything I want from Avatar. Characters acting and developing like regular humans. Plus a badass fight scene.

 

[Mononoke]

I really loved Old Wounds, I know some people have some issues with Toph's characterization but the episode basically had everything I want from Avatar. Characters acting and developing like regular humans. Plus a badass fight scene.

I don't think anything was wrong with Toph's characterization. She was pretty spot on, in terms of character continuity. She acted the way I would expect Toph to act as a parent. My only issue is a much larger one, in that I wonder how she came to be the Police Chief, and yet still hold on to those ideals/philosophies with her children. More so, I just wonder what kind of person she had to become before she would take that job.

But that's a bigger issue I think with the flashback narratives telling future plot for older characters we know. It cuts out the "growth", and we just have to accept the characters as they are, while using their past to put some context to their actions. So far I feel, the LoK writers have been very hit and miss with this storytelling device. Do I think Toph is a shitty person? Yeah. But she was also a shitty person. The difference is she now has children, and is now supposed to be running the law in an entire city. So it makes here an even more shitty person. And supposedly, shows she didn't mature very much at all as an adult. But I don't think that was out of character for toph.

Katie Mattilla wrote that episode.

Katie Mattilla wrote the recent "Old Wounds" in LOK, or Episode 6, of Book 3 Change. And is also the script coordinator for Book 3.

So, there you go, maybe that gives you hope for Book 3 .

Book 1 was written entirely by the creators, whereas ATLA was split up between a team of writers (the Creators usually wrote the two-part episodes, and the finales and openers). For all the shit Book 1 had, I thought they did a great job, they just fucked up badly in the finale. There were other issues too, but overall it was pretty good. Book 2 they brought back ATLA writers to help out, and you would think it would have been a step up in quality. But it was fuckin awful. I mean that on a technical level (so regardless of subjective opinions about the plot).

Book 3 has been amazing, so I'm hoping Book 2's issues were either time constraint related, or the writers just having to get back into their groove (ie. learning how to work together again).

 

[Admiral Woofington]

I genuinely expect the new last airbender comics to go through how toph might begin to change to the new one we see here who would willingly go into a position of law and power.