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[vas_a_morir]

Look at that weasely bullshit. Just like that article someone posted a week or two ago. Passive voice out the wazoo. The journalist who wrote this should be fired. How about "a cop shot a kid." You know, actually saying what happened as concisely and directly as possible.

It's about protecting yourself from libel and showing detachment from the situation. Journalists use passive voice when discussing everything from Osama Bin Laden to meth-lab fires.

 

[Bradlums]

It's funny, because I was responding to what I thought was a shitpost. That said, a kid got murdered by a system that isn't supposed to do that shit and, SURPRISE, it was another young black man. People don't have a right to loot, and no one is saying that they do, but people are angry and I can't really say I blame anyone for that.

a disproportionate amount of black on white crime occurs daily compared to white on black crime and your same "system" covers that up as well. shit goes both ways my man

 

[Camp Lo]

you are correct. the people approaching said problem with said approach are not guilty of white guilt. that does not encompass everyone in this thread though. some people here are not only saying it's reflexive to riot, but that people SHOULD be looting and fucking shit up in general to just stir the pot. because white america has had it coming for so long

Can you post those quotes, I haven't read up since last night.

 

[Renzoku]

Like Steve said, it's a convenient way for people to distract themselves from the very real issue that lead up to this kid getting killed.

People are like "Whew, a bunch of black people are rioting now, I thought we were going to have to talk about why some kid got murdered by a cop again." It's stupid that they did it but you can easily empathize with their feelings of hopelessness and condemnation that led to them rioting in the first place.

What people should be focusing on is this kid that got shot in the back.

People will focus on it. Probably for months. Trayvon's lawyer getting involved seems to have the making of turning this into a national circus.

The point is, this rioting isn't some sort of fabrication designed to take away from the killing, rather it's a direct result of it, and it was the primary event occurring in the hours after the shooting. It can't just be ignored, but it will also probably fall off as the primary point of discussion after a few days once we know more about what happened and the legal battle commences.

 

[Flo_Evans]

protestors marching on police station now...

 

[Camp Lo]

protestors marching on police station now...

is there a webstream of what's going on?

 

[Bradlums]

Can you post those quotes, I haven't read up since last night.

I knew that would be the natural response after I posted but fine, I will scour the thread. be back in 15

 

[AlimNassor]

Tut-tut. Tut-tut.

Whats Tut-tut mean? But, I agree either way, rioting is done because of how shitty the system is towards blacks, it's horrifying.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Honestly I see both the initial confrontation and the ensuing riots as being equally news worthy, but if the mods decide for this thread to be solely about the confrontation then so be it. Though, this story is not as black and white (bu dum ksh) as these posters truly believe it is

My point of contention is not "let's ignore that these riots are happening." I don't think anyone here thinks that burning down a Quick Trip is the ideal reaction to a perceived injustice perpetrated by those who are supposed to protect and serve. But the main thing that bothers me is -- and I'm not saying it's necessarily occurring in this thread in as much as it's something I notice on things like my Facebook feed or in comment sections (I live in the St. Louis area) -- that it becomes regarded as almost the official black reaction to the shooting. For instance, someone expresses grief at the young man who was killed, and the retort is "oh, but it's ok when people loot and riot!?" Even worse is when the event that sparked the rioting is ignored entirely in favor of just focusing on the "angry black thugs" narrative of reporting rioting as the real story here.

 

[Siegcram]

a disproportionate amount of black on white crime occurs daily compared to white on black crime and your same "system" covers that up as well. shit goes both ways my man

Do you have any sources for this? The last one I saw who tried this line of argument linked to a white supremacist study.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

a disproportionate amount of black on white crime occurs daily compared to white on black crime and your same "system" covers that up as well. shit goes both ways my man

Holy shit..we just went through this yesterday. A perfect circle.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Yes those poor souls, I hope those rims that they are stealing from that autozone will help them cope.

Silly whacist, no one wants rims from Autozone.

Spoiler

I'm joking...hopefully

 

[Bradlums]

My point of contention is not "let's ignore that these riots are happening." I don't think anyone here thinks that burning down a Quick Trip is the ideal reaction to a perceived injustice perpetrated by those who are supposed to protect and serve. But the main thing that bothers me is -- and I'm not saying it's necessarily occurring in this thread in as much as it's something I notice on things like my Facebook feed or in comment sections (I live in the St. Louis area) -- that it becomes regarded as almost the official black reaction to the shooting. For instance, someone expresses grief at the young man who was killed, and the retort is "oh, but it's ok when people loot and riot!?" Even worse is when the event that sparked the rioting is ignored entirely in favor of just focusing on the "angry black thugs" narrative of reporting rioting as the real story here.

I highly doubt this initial shooting will go ignored. If anything, main stream media will focus more on the initial shootings than the riots, but that's just my guess

 

[Flo_Evans]

is there a webstream of what's going on?

http://www.ksdk.com/livevideos/popo...www.gannett-tv.com/images/logos/KSDK_Logo.png

edit: this is a live feed with no commentary.

 

[Camp Lo]

http://www.ksdk.com/livevideos/popo...www.gannett-tv.com/images/logos/KSDK_Logo.png

Word, thank you.

 

[Jado]

Let me rephrase, not everyone, just some *cough* sea manky *cough*

*cough* Stop *cough* doing this stupid *cough* thing.

You came into the thread undermining everyone's posts and now you're continuing to evoke "white guilt." I'm neither black nor white, but hispanic. Do I have "brown guilt" for having empathy and understanding with the victim and the people who looted out of frustration? Really, what a piece of shit thing for you to say that people are only responding to this out of your assumptions of racial guilt.

 

[GK86]

Just saw the pictures of the rioting aftermath. Ugh. A lot worse than I imagined. What idiots.

Anyone got a link?

protestors marching on police station now...

Good.

 

[Bradlums]

Holy shit..we just went through this yesterday. A perfect circle.

Do you have any sources for this? The last one I saw who tried this line of argument linked to a white supremacist study.

http://www.examiner.com/article/federal-statistics-of-black-on-white-violence-with-links-and-mathematical-extrapolation-formulas

"Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites then vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery."

 

[vas_a_morir]

Just saw this video retweeted that features a guy that claims to be an eyewitness. Mentions Brown was on his knees with his hands in the air when the cop shot him in the head, and then shot 4 more times. I should note that this video is NSFW due to language.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tfy5FiqzWHI&sns=em

It's a side note, but TIL that people in St Louis really do say 'hurr.' I thought that was a gimmick Nelly made up in the 90's. That's what I've heard dudes from St Louis say (other rappers, even. I guess they were jealous of his success?).

 

[Mr. Patch]

a disproportionate amount of black on white crime occurs daily compared to white on black crime and your same "system" covers that up as well. shit goes both ways my man

Black on white crime is covered up by the system? Hahahahaha

Spoiler

I can smell the white supremacist logic through the screen.

 

[Bradlums]

*cough* Stop *cough* doing this stupid *cough* thing.

You came into the thread undermining everyone's posts and now you're continuing to evoke "white guilt." I'm neither black nor white, but hispanic. Do I have "brown guilt" for having empathy and understanding with the victim and the people who looted out of frustration? Really, what a piece of shit thing for you to say that people are only responding to this out of your assumptions of racial guilt.

and all you're doing is committing ad-hominem. please quote me before you attack my personal character

Black on white crime is covered up by the system? Hahahahaha

Spoiler

I can smell the white supremacist logic through the screen.

look up two posts there, mate

 

[yamaneko]

Is sad...

The spiral of hate never end...

Anyone want to do something to change this...

 

[Higgins113]

I doubt that people are looting because they care that the kid died, they just want free shit and saw an opportunity.

 

[Jaeger]

http://www.examiner.com/article/federal-statistics-of-black-on-white-violence-with-links-and-mathematical-extrapolation-formulas

"Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites then vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery."

Now, do you know WHY that is? Or we are all perfect and treated as equals in America, right?

 

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[Gordon Shumway]

http://www.examiner.com/article/federal-statistics-of-black-on-white-violence-with-links-and-mathematical-extrapolation-formulas

"Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites then vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery."

HOLY SHIT!!! The perfect circle? INDEED!

 

[marrec]

My point of contention is not "let's ignore that these riots are happening." I don't think anyone here thinks that burning down a Quick Trip is the ideal reaction to a perceived injustice perpetrated by those who are supposed to protect and serve. But the main thing that bothers me is -- and I'm not saying it's necessarily occurring in this thread in as much as it's something I notice on things like my Facebook feed or in comment sections (I live in the St. Louis area) -- that it becomes regarded as almost the official black reaction to the shooting. For instance, someone expresses grief at the young man who was killed, and the retort is "oh, but it's ok when people loot and riot!?" Even worse is when the event that sparked the rioting is ignored entirely in favor of just focusing on the "angry black thugs" narrative of reporting rioting as the real story here.

Yep, this is my main concern with the aftermath. People who don't want to face the truth of WHY the riots happened in the first place and instead want to use it as a full stop to the conversation.

 

[Sub_Level]

My point of contention is not "let's ignore that these riots are happening." I don't think anyone here thinks that burning down a Quick Trip is the ideal reaction to a perceived injustice perpetrated by those who are supposed to protect and serve. But the main thing that bothers me is -- and I'm not saying it's necessarily occurring in this thread in as much as it's something I notice on things like my Facebook feed or in comment sections (I live in the St. Louis area) -- that it becomes regarded as almost the official black reaction to the shooting. For instance, someone expresses grief at the young man who was killed, and the retort is "oh, but it's ok when people loot and riot!?" Even worse is when the event that sparked the rioting is ignored entirely in favor of just focusing on the "angry black thugs" narrative of reporting rioting as the real story here.

Should there be another thread? The victim's family has gone on the record distancing themselves from this. Seems like rioting has the potential to happen again later today if things get out of control, and there is also the fallout of the businesses destroyed and the subsequent investigation/apprehension of any looters they can pin down if the PD even has those kinds of resources to spare right now.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Crowd seems to be leaving, 50-100 people.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I see the merits of Battersea's points, he put it quite well. But at the same time, people should not be outraged when law enforcement take action against said rioting. People start stealing and burning shit, yea shit's gonna go down

in other words, there is STILL a lot of misplaced white quilt in this thread

Stop using this word, it makes you sound remedial as fuck and it makes your agenda clear as fucking day. Just stop posting, go make a thread expressing how you really feel about black people and stop shitting up this one with your covert bullshit.

a disproportionate amount of black on white crime occurs daily compared to white on black crime and your same "system" covers that up as well. shit goes both ways my man

For someone who apparently took sociology classes and the like you sure are absolutely fucking clueless. We also had another member equally dumb use this same tired argument in this very fucking thread.

 

[Bradlums]

Now, do you know WHY that is? Or we are all perfect and treated as equals in America, right?

yes, incredibly statistically significant figures are completely thrown out the window because of systematic oppression. 39 times more likely really means nothing to you?

 

[mre]

Care to point where in the legal system it says that the penalty for assault is death?

The issue isn't whether the law allows for lethal force in this situation. As has been pointed out, Missouri law authorizes the police to use all necessary force to effect the detention of a "fleeing felon," (and someone who assaulted a police officer in Missouri is a felony) and provides for a rebuttable presumption that the amount of force exercised by the police officer is reasonable. I'll happily provide a citation for that if you like.

So the issue isn't whether or not Missouri law allows for lethal force in situations where someone has allegedly committed assault and is fleeing police officers. The issue is why do we authorize our police officers the discretion to exercise lethal force in situations like this (where the suspect is not known to be armed) in the first place?

 

[Camp Lo]

I like this.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

yes, incredibly statistically significant figures are completely thrown out the window because of systematic oppression. 39 times more likely really means nothing to you?

Read up on that group, my friend..please understand.

 

[Yaboosh]

http://www.examiner.com/article/federal-statistics-of-black-on-white-violence-with-links-and-mathematical-extrapolation-formulas

"Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites then vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery."

People even warned you that the last guy accidentally sourced a white supremacist group. And then you went and did it anyway.

 

[kame-sennin]

.

As I said before, peaceful protests are only effective when you have a functioning government. It's the height of cruelty to admonish people for resorting to violence, while ignoring the violence they're responding to, and demanding that they only engage in predefined "acceptable" forms of peaceful protest - all the while knowing that said forms of protest will be banned by the state.

It would be much more honest to simply say, 'do nothing and accept your fate'.

So a cop shouted "Bring it on, you fucking animals" during the peaceful protest.

#notallcops tho

Egging people on in the hope that they react so the cop can justify killing them?

It seems to be lost in the riot narrative that the police provoked the rioters. As we saw, even the initial peaceful protest was met with lines of cops and attack dogs.

Just saw this video retweeted that features a guy that claims to be an eyewitness. Mentions Brown was on his knees with his hands in the air when the cop shot him in the head, and then shot 4 more times. I should note that this video is NSFW due to language.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tfy5FiqzWHI&sns=em

Holy shit.

 

[see5harp]

yes, incredibly statistically significant figures are completely thrown out the window because of systematic oppression. 39 times more likely really means nothing to you?

Wow you disgusting homie. Go take a break.

 

[BFIB]

Just saw the pictures of the rioting aftermath. Ugh. A lot worse than I imagined. What idiots.

"I got these rims, in memory of whatshisname."

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

http://www.examiner.com/article/federal-statistics-of-black-on-white-violence-with-links-and-mathematical-extrapolation-formulas

"Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites then vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery."

"Statistics From My Ass".

Have fun in that swamp dude.

Now, do you know WHY that is? Or we are all perfect and treated as equals in America, right?

Those statistics aren't even accurate; I would not waste my time with them (or him) if I were you.

Wow, nice job finding exactly the white supremacist study I was talking about. You're not so smart, are you?

I had a feeling of such.

 

[andycapps]

you are correct. the people approaching said problem with said approach are not guilty of white guilt. that does not encompass everyone in this thread though. some people here are not only saying it's reflexive to riot, but that people SHOULD be looting and fucking shit up in general to just stir the pot. because white america has had it coming for so long

Well sure, not everyone agrees with how things should be done. This goes back to MLK and Malcolm X.

a disproportionate amount of black on white crime occurs daily compared to white on black crime and your same "system" covers that up as well. shit goes both ways my man

Even if this is true, what the hell does it have to do with anything?

 

[Gordon Shumway]

It's been less than 24 fucking hours..someone sites then again..LOL!

 

[Jaeger]

yes, incredibly statistically significant figures are completely thrown out the window because of systematic oppression. 39 times more likely really means nothing to you?

I don't even know what you are even fucking asking. It's clear how you feel. That's fine. Land of the free (yea fucking right).

 

[Siegcram]

http://www.examiner.com/article/federal-statistics-of-black-on-white-violence-with-links-and-mathematical-extrapolation-formulas

"Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites then vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery."

Wow, nice job finding exactly the white supremacist study I was talking about. You're not so smart, are you?

 

[Malyse]

Wow you disgusting homie. Go take a break.

Yooo. It's hard to not see this POS's shitposts when everyone quotes him.

 

[marrec]

It's been less than 24 fucking hours..someone sites then again..LOL!

It's almost as if it's a practiced narrative that they've seen elsewhere. Maybe somewhere less progressive... for instance.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

PLS RESPOND!

 

[Brakke]

So the issue isn't whether or not Missouri law allows for lethal force in situations where someone has allegedly committed assault and is fleeing police officers. The issue is why do we authorize our police officers the discretion to exercise lethal force in situations like this (where the suspect is not known to be armed) in the first place?

Take it one further in this case: the suspect was known to not be armed.

 

[mre]

http://www.examiner.com/article/federal-statistics-of-black-on-white-violence-with-links-and-mathematical-extrapolation-formulas

"Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites then vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery."

Did you just quote a source quoting the same racist, white-power source (new century foundation) that we discussed AND discredited last night?

 

[Bradlums]

Read up on that group, my friend..please understand.

I'll go find a more credible source, I googled black on white crime rate and picked the first link. You'll have to forgive me, I'm juggling about 5 different conversations right now.

Wow you disgusting homie. Go take a break.

nothing constructive to say?

 

[Camp Lo]

It's been less than 24 fucking hours..someone sites then again..LOL!

How dare we not accept a white separatist study!