LukasTaves
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Not that I recall. Unless you count RE4 Ps2 being announced before launch XD
Sony and MS on the term 'Exclusivity'
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Not that I recall. Unless you count RE4 Ps2 being announced before launch XD
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Its a problem the industry all has. The word is just so powerful though, everyone wants it In agreements
SwiftDeath
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I find things like co-marketing and timed exclusivity/DLC to be fairly anti-consumer in general across the board unless the platform holder is being awarded for helping support the actual production of the game that wouldn't have happened otherwise
The misuse of exclusivity is just a symptom of a larger problem
The misuse of exclusivity is just a symptom of a larger problem
This is true.... Sony has really pushed Destiny as a PS franchise, when it is not. But co marketing can apparently lead to some very cool things like PT
SwiftDeath
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What's PT stand for?
Dragonborn
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I'd much rather Sony/MS go for exclusive armor pieces or exclusive ads than full out buying out a game. I realize they both want to differentiate their console, and that's the best way to go about it (far better than flat out paying to keep games off of the other console).
In a perfect world, neither would exist, but it's not a perfect world.
Playable Teaser
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Playable Teaser, I think. (for Silent Hills)
Silent Hill.
Agreed. Exclusives like Bayonetta 2 are fine, because the game would never have been made without the publisher footing the bill. But paying to keep already-made games off of other platforms is where I draw the line. I am attracted to certain gaming platforms based on what they create, not what they restrict.
SwiftDeath
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Sure and I agree that buying a timed exclusive or hell even a full exclusive of a game that would have otherwise existed on multiple platforms is worse than locking away parts of a game for some timed amount or even perpetuity
But at the end of the day it is all still attempts to mislead consumers or limit their options without offering additional benefit in the form of games that wouldn't exist otherwise
I think alot of it is pretty savvy business moves although I don't know how to feel about TR exclusivity on MS platforms as that's an odd choice
If a game is exclusive in one region but not exclusive in America, can either console manufacturer claim a global exclusive, international exclusive, or timed international exclusive?
At least Sony's honest about their first to console exclusive. CD needs to clarify in formal written terms the full extent of their partnership with Microsoft.
At least Sony's honest about their first to console exclusive. CD needs to clarify in formal written terms the full extent of their partnership with Microsoft.
Buying a game that could have been made without their involvement is crappy (Tomb Raider) but buyingup and investing in a title that couldnt be made otherwise at such a high quality is fine (Sunset Overdrive, Journey, etc.)
Dragonborn
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Sure, that I agree on. Funding games is great, that actually ads something to gaming in general. Moneyhatting does nothing. Bayo 2 is the game I'm most excited about this year, and it wouldn't exist if it was for Nintendo.
plasmawave
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It was strongly hinted that it was timed exclusive by Respawn. They didn't even know about the life-time exclusive deal til right before the announcement.
TheUnsunghero26
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Right, I realize that it was initally going to be a timed exclusive. I'm asking about the inital PR for the game when it was announced. EA and Microsoft weren't saying it was a timed exclusive, were they?
Exploratory
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You must have missed E3.
Nightengale
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Titanfall was given a similar treatment where even though it was initially a 13 months timed exclusive, marketing and PR called it an exclusive as opposed to Garden Warfare or Peggle 2 which were "first on Xbox."
If it was a AAA title, they clearly put in the extra effort to obscure it's exclusivity status as opposed to smaller games.
If it was a AAA title, they clearly put in the extra effort to obscure it's exclusivity status as opposed to smaller games.
licktheenvelope
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I still haven't seen anything that suggests Tomb Raider isn't an Xbox exclusive other than speculation that it would be idiocy to do so.
god dammit
SwiftDeath
Member
Are you asking for verification that it's a timed exclusive when it's in Square Enix and MS's best interests to obscure that until after the game releases on the XB1 [and maybe 360???]?
Because that's never going to happen
Nightengale
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MS straight up called it exclusive. They never used the term first on Xbox.
EA/Respawn were a bit more loose with their tongues. They never said it as a timed exclusive, but they were dropping hints like " we do want to be everywhere blah blah"
The first thing people need to remind themselves of is that this is, first and foremost, a business. It's all about marketing, PR and majority public appeal. i understand that people get a bit emotional over certain announcements and the like, but most of this type of shit makes sense and can be put into perspective if you always keep in mind the importance of business/marketing. ms, sony and nintendo will always treat business and capital as number 1, then adjust their strategy accordingly after factoring in all the remaining important variables.
I dont think money hatting happens as often as people think
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Dragonborn
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Provide examples please.
TheUnsunghero26
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Thanks. It seems only indie games are announced as timed exclusives.
brickarts295
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Honestly, if I see this
in front of a trailer, then it is exclusively and only coming to PlayStation. If it doesn't have this, then in my eyes the game is not an exclusive game to PlayStation and most likely timed unless someone says otherwise.
As for Microsoft, I don't fucking know, Ryse and Dead Rising 3 were supposedly exclusives on Xbox One and they are coming out on PC.
in front of a trailer, then it is exclusively and only coming to PlayStation. If it doesn't have this, then in my eyes the game is not an exclusive game to PlayStation and most likely timed unless someone says otherwise.
As for Microsoft, I don't fucking know, Ryse and Dead Rising 3 were supposedly exclusives on Xbox One and they are coming out on PC.
The more clever the wording the less it means.
If it was coming only to xbox they would say that. They spent millions and they would be shouting from the roof tops like after they locked down titanfal away from PS.
The crazy thing this game was already announced and had preorders up from everything including PS3. Just really weird and MS may put more money into this deal to lock it up after this back lash. Then try to spin it like titanfall that this game wouldnt happen without MS support.
Spottiettiedop
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It's a long time between now and Holiday 2015. It can become a full exclusive by then right?
Galactic Barret
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You ask why Sony changed their wording for exclusivity and I think its very apparent that Sony, in one form or another, is keeping a very close eye on Gaf. MS too, to some extent.
We wanted more transparency in exclusivity, we got it. We complained about E3's format, they switched it up. We demanded a response as to why PS4 owners werent getting that EA sub, we got a response. They are trying to actually listen to their audience.
We wanted more transparency in exclusivity, we got it. We complained about E3's format, they switched it up. We demanded a response as to why PS4 owners werent getting that EA sub, we got a response. They are trying to actually listen to their audience.
The original sentence was "their backlash" but I went back and changed it before i posted
TetraGenesis
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That's why I think they're being especially cagey but I can't see Squeenix going for that. They've seen the way the tides are going, they'd compromise the future of the series if they only release it on Xbox. And they would never sell even close to the copies they want.
I don't think anybody is lining up to be the next Titanfall.
OccamsLightsaber
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I guess this is as good a place as any to post this.
Updated from 4 months ago.
Updated from 4 months ago.
Their their, no need to be upset.
Spottiettiedop
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We don't know the payout EA received so we can't say. Its possible TR could be Titanfall 2. I'm wondering if MS has an agreement in place with SE to make TR a full exclusive if they happen to have a certain # of XB'1s sold.
But as others have noted, i do like the idea that TR gets released on Xbox in 2015, and still gets released for the PS4 in 2016 and everyone is happy.
That GIF response makes about as much sense as this picture. But besides that, I'd like so contribute to this discussion by saying neither of these companies have been honest about many things, especially subjects like exclusivity. When they dance around the questions about exclusiveness (like Microsoft has regarding Tomb Raider) I'd be able to sleep well at night as a PS4 owner knowing that Tomb Raider may very well be on its way to my preferred system in the near future.
flatearthpandas
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It's like in a comedy movie where there is a character with a lisp. They'll take some time to purposefully make that person say words that highlight the lisp and, yeah, it can be mildly humorous for a bit. But eventually the joke gets tired and you even start to feel guilty about all the time you spent amusing yourself watching a person with a handicap struggle with simple words.
has there been any real confirmation that it's timed though? i've seen cboat's post and that's about it
personally i think it's timed as well tbh, SE can't be that dumb
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