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Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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#Ferguson police chief just said the robbery had nothing to do with the shooting; officer didn’t know about it.

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“If the robbery had nothing to do with the shooting, why is that all we talked about this morning?"
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Nothing but character assassination by a slimy chief
 
Paskil said:
Even if he struggled with the officer at the car, eyewitnesses said a shot went off and then he ran and hid by a car. Put his hands up, and surrendered. Killing him at this point is murder. If these are the facts, all other points are purely dog whistles and irrelevant. It is murder, plain and simple. Had the bullet fired in the heat of the moment hit him, then you would have an argument.

Shooting someone to death when they have their hands up is not kosher, doesn't matter what preceded it.
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This. And their only defense so far is that Brown stole some cigars and that the officer is a good guy.

That is all they have. That is how they are defending an unarmed citizen being murdered in the street. Oh wait, he may have been jaywalking too.
 
That's pretty damning if the cop just approached them because they were walking in the street, makes the grabbing thing more real in my mind and the convenience store footage a slap in the face to the Brown family.
 
endresults said:
I'm supposed to know why cops shoot lots of bullets instead of one in order to comment?

OK THEN.
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Not at all, you just seem to be defending his actions so I'm trying to understand why? And how you think it's justified to shot that many times once he was of no immediate to officer or anyone else. I'm mean surely it was more dangerous the office shooting that many bullets when people are around, one person even said on bullet ended up In a garden
 
Evil_Silver said:
Your source references another source, MSNBC, as the source of their report but I can't find the MSNBC report.

If Dorian Johnson and Michael Brown stole the cigars, why didn't the police arrest Dorian Johnson and why aren't the police arresting him?
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Because Johnson didn't actually steal, he was just there. Brown is the one that leans over the counter to grab the stuff and shoves the clerk when leaving. That's the only explanation I have. However, it has been admitted that Johnson and Brown were the ones in that video by Johnson. Plus, the clothing, down to the socks and flip flops, as well as build, match what Brown was wearing when shot a few minutes later.
 
I love how people are quick to say Johnson's story doesn't hold up yet after this new revelation he's been the most consistent source of information since Saturday.
 
I almost doubt the character assassination being intentional, he truly may be so stupid that he just put the info out there without thinking about how it would look cause he's a moron.

Either way he needs to be removed.
 
Popnbake said:
I heard that in the state, lethal force may be used if a felony suspect is said to be resisting arrest.

Can that still be applied if the officer was unaware that the person he killed was a suspect for a felony?
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Cops are always trained to use lethal force if necessary and are trusted to make those judgment calls on whether or not its needed or not. In this case lethal force was totally unnecessary and uncalled for. The teen was unarmed and at worst resisted arrest. Resisting arrest can call for being tazed or aggressively taken down but not shot execution style as you stand with your hands up surrendering. Even if the officer was aware that the victim committed a felony he still didn't have the right to shoot the kid down as he was surrendering.
 
Pkm said:
Did he shop lift, or just walk in..grab them..try to walk out..toss an elderly person..walk out..?

So cop wasnt responding to that call when stopping him they say? I wonder if Brown thought his previous actions of robbery and assualt was the reason for the cop interacting with him.
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The stills make it seem a hell of a lot worse than it was.

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Bleepey said:
Can I get an abridged version as to all that's happened. This thread is 160 pages long
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Bluekaveli said:
So wait what did the boy do? Did he actually steal from yhe store or no? Someone update me please.
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Mods, please edit title to reflect that there is a summary link in the OP

endresults said:
Yeah, I know my first reaction when being attacked by a 6'4" 300lb man is to make sure I don't hurt him. Completely unjustified, got it.
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This is the part where I tell you to stop posting.
 
TheOMan said:
This is true, I can see that happening. Of course, earlier someone was saying that one of the witnesses said the car door slammed back on the cops head which could also explain the bruising. Hopefully a medical professional and the autopsy can piece together what actually happened during the altercation.

Either way, AFTER that, if he shot him in the back, then shot him again while his hands were up facing him, drove away, and left him in the street for hours, none of that is justified, and should not matter when justice is served.
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That's what I don't get about people using that tape as a potential justification of the shooting. Even if it does end up being confirmed there was a scuffle (if there was, it must've been minor), how does one do the mental gymnastics necessary to believe he deserved to be gunned down like that?
 
GQman2121 said:
Holy shit, if that ends up not being Mike Brown in that convenience store footage....
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That would be petty "holy shit," considering that pretty much everyone with any actual information about it has either confirmed it is Mike or not denied it was him.

But again, even if the internet master detectives are wrong, and Mike was the one in the video, that's still no reason to shoot him. Not that that even enters the picture since Officer Shooter McGunsalot wasn't even aware Mike might have been a suspect.
 
alr1ght said:
The stills make it seem a hell of a lot worse than it was.

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I dunno, that little guy (gal?) looked awfully scared to me.

Officer didn't know about the robbery though, so the only reason to bring it up in the context of the shooting is character assassination.
 
MorisUkunRasik said:
I almost doubt the character assassination being intentional, he truly may be so stupid that he just put the info out there without thinking about how it would look cause he's a moron.

Either way he needs to be removed.
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And police often release those robbery videos to local news outlets when these things happen. It's a staple of television news. I have to question the timing of releasing the tape.
 
Weird initial altercation at the store. It looked like he tried to pay. Kinda wonder if the cashier just asked for ID and he didn't have it on him and got irritated. I've had that happen to me before and felt like just walking out.

Just seems like a weird plan to steal something in that manner and then just slowly walk home. I dunno.

Regardless, the kid didn't deserve to be gunned down for trying to flee.
 
Another reason to leave Johnson out of any crime charges, you can see that it appears he actually puts whatever Brown handed him back on the counter. He may have wanted little to do with walking out with items. He leaves with nothing in his hands.
 
endresults said:
A jury of his peers agreed, too. How do you like them apples?
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Intriguing - you don't understand why that happened there. You parade your ignorance around as if it makes you better than everyone else. You make assumptions against the black people in these cases without ever really knowing what's happening.

That you're so blatant is refreshing, though. Tell me - what's your endgame here?
 
endresults said:
Punching a cop is ok then?
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I'll bite. No, it's not okay to punch a cop. Aggravated assault on a police officer in Missouri at the level reported is 3rd Degree Assault which is a Class C misdemeanor. It carries with it 15 days in jail and a $500 fine.

Do you honestly feel that punching a cop warrants an immediate death sentence without trial/judgment? Maybe you can save everyone some time by directly blaming the victim instead.
 
BruiserBear said:
I don't believe any rational people will be convinced this young man deserved to die due to his theft from a convenience store. There will always be stupid people who think otherwise, or are racist, or whatever.

But you can't expect the police to just pretend that incident didn't occur. It had to come out as it's part of the story of that day, and hopefully we get a fully accounting of that officer's actions that day as well. I believe we will.
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Rational people don't rule public perception, which is overall what is needed to fix our justice system. If cooler heads prevaliled, we wouldn't have the gun problems in our country, the political divide, war mongering, etc. You can believe what you want, but the rest of us are affected by the realities of those beliefs turned into legislation, or lack there of.
 
Volimar said:
Officer didn't know about the robbery though, so the only reason to bring it up in the context of the shooting is character assassination.
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The only thing I can see it doing is casting doubts on the testimony of the friend who was with Brown. But even then, that would only be the initial moments of the altercation, because you have eyewitnesses to the events immediately proceeding that.
 
Wait, so the cops can give the press a video they "asked" for, but the names of the cops that were attacking and arresting reporters is a mystery? Get the fuck outta here.
 
Gotchaye said:
People did call attention to how his post sounded. He doubled down with the "upstanding citizen" thing, which simply doesn't make any sense in the context of the discussion he was participating in except as tragedy-minimizing. As of his last posting which I replied to he was defending his right to say whatever he wanted as long as it was true, no matter how irrelevant it was to the conversation or how reasonable people would interpret it.

But, what are you expecting here? Nobody's ever going to cop to attempting this sort of tragedy-minimization. Probably lots of it isn't even conscious - it's not like trolling. There's just this feeling that it's important to distinguish this case from paradigmatic tragic cases, without a whole lot of reflection as to the moral basis for the distinction.
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My expectation is just recognition that some people may in fact question, disagree with or be skeptical of the prevailing viewpoint of a particular facet of this story and that that isn't necessarily motivated by secret racism, a desire, conscious or otherwise, to downplay tragedy or a need to be contrarian. Maybe he perceives the use of child or an emphasis on his innocence as needless emotional ploys. I don't know that I agree, but I can sympathize with that in a way, since his age and criminal history have no bearing on whether or not this killing was justified. That's maybe even a discussion worth having, but it won't be brought up if we just attack our own assumptions.

To me, this practice of focusing on motivations without any attempt to understand first breeds an attitude whereby anyone going even slightly against the grain finds themselves the target of barely veiled accusations regarding racism, pro-police defense force and so on and so forth. I don't think it's in the best interest of civil discussions of emotional topics.
 
I think the thing with Brown is even worse that then Trayvon Martin incident.

To plays devils advocate, with the Trayvon case there was only the one witness, and it was dark. In this case, we have two eyewitnesses and it occurred in broad daylight. This seems to be a far more open and shut case than the Trayvon Martin case.
 
Volimar said:
I dunno, that little guy (gal?) looked awfully scared to me.

Officer didn't know about the robbery though, so the only reason to bring it up in the context of the shooting is character assassination.
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Well, it gave more reason for Mike to actually attack the officer. It's still a very hard tale to swallow, but it is more plausible after the reveal.
 
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