Ferguson: Police Kill 18yo Black Male; Fire Gas/Rubber Bullets Into Protesting Crowds

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Steve Youngblood said:
Right. I agree. The notion that this seemed like a good idea seems bizarre and unlikely. But, that's the narrative that we were hearing through the grapevine as the Wilson's version of events and in that tavernkeepers video (or whatever it was). Again, I want to stress that this isn't a devil's advocate post. I don't see that this helps that argument (aside from showing that he wasn't shot in the back even if he was shot at while fleeing). But I also don't see that it conclusively puts that argument to bed.

Basically, I just kind of feel like even with this new bit of evidence, we're still exactly where we were before.
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Right. The lack of bullet wounds from the back doesn't contradict any testimony. Some of the wounds are consistent with a surrendering suspect, but again, nothing conclusive. All we know definitively is that he wasn't shot from very close range, which I don't think was ever suggested by anyone including the officer's friend.
 
David H Wong said:
Yes, suggesting the posters in this thread don't have extensive experience performing autopsies is playing devil's advocate.

If the roles were reversed and some poster was using that drawing to declare a black shooter guilty, you'd be calling him a nazi.

So, how about we wait until we have all of the information?
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You know, you're free to do a photoshop if it pleases you. No one is going to call you a nazi.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
Thanks, and I wonder how far his head was tilted forward, perhaps as if charging?

I really wish there was video of this shit.
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As Baden says, it's possible. Again, doesn't make much sense with the arm position. Surrendering story seems more likely given the evidence we have so far. But hey, we're not CSIs.
 
FunkyMunkey said:
The person literally photoshopped his arms up from the autopsy report, that's it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html
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To imply that's the position he was in when he was shot, which not even the person who did the autopsy was willing to say. Come on, don't get silly. It doesn't help the cause.

If Brown was denied due process, you don't right that wrong by denying it to the shooter. All we have is a tragedy and conflicting witness testimony about what happened.
 
Angelus Errare said:
Nah, Mike Brown let out a vicious howl and charged toward brave Officer Wilson. Brown's speed was unnatural! Officer Wilson knew what he had to do despite not wanting to do it. A single tear rolled down Wilson's and he pulled the trigger. The shot rang out hitting Brown in the head; but Brown did not fall. "Thi–this isn't possible!" shouted Wilson and he fired another round into Mike's head; this one felled the raging giant. As he fell fumes from the cigarillos filled the air and a ghostly face appeared....it was Obama!

"Chuck Norris was right!" stated Officer Wilson in fear, "You are the dark lord, how dare you make me take this young man's life unjustly!" The apparition branished a meancing smile then spoke. "Change...change will come" before dissipating. Officer Wilson rushed over to Browns body's praying by some miracle Brown would still be alive.

Brown was indeed alive, but only just barely. He grabbed Officer Wilson's shirt and looked into his eyes. "Thank you for releasing me" he muttered "The world will not understand but you are a hero" his grip lessened on the shirt and his eyes glazed over...Mike Brown was dead.
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Sounds like Mike Brown did an Aggressive Stare than an Aggressive Stance and then finally followed it up with an Aggressive step....No white man can survive that kind of Combo...Officer Wilson is lucky to be alive.
 
bishoptl said:
Children can and should be allowed to attend a peaceful protest. The police broke the curfew that *they* set by nearly 3 hours, by shooting tear gas into the peaceful crowd. This isn't up for discussion.
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I don't think a child should be out there. Not after all these previous nights. That's just bad parenting IMO. I'd leave my child safer at home with someone.
 
Boke1879 said:
There would be no way those shots could hit INSIDE his arms from a distance unless he had his hands up.
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Just because the entry and exit wounds were marked does not mean the path the bullet traveled was normal to the marking. It would be perfectly possible to graze the interior portion of the arm without him raising his arms.
 
No wonder foreign press is sending war correspondents. It's pretty much a war zone.

- Target Command Centre
- Freedom of Press still in jeopardy
- Police shooting indiscriminantly at people, causing injuries to all kinds of people and in the public, shoot first, think later
- Civil unrest
 
bishoptl said:
Children can and should be allowed to attend a peaceful protest. The police broke the curfew that *they* set by nearly 3 hours, by shooting tear gas into the peaceful crowd. This isn't up for discussion.
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Peaceful? There were shots fired...
I sure as hell wouldn't let my child anywhere near this mess.
 
David H Wong said:
The guy who did the fucking autopsy said it didn't provide enough information to reconstruct the shooting, but the posters in this thread think they can do it based on the NYT article about the autopsy.

Whatever. Write whatever story feeds your outrage the most.
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From the article:

Dr. Baden said that while Mr. Brown was shot at least six times, only three bullets were recovered from his body. But he has not yet seen the X-rays showing where the bullets were found, which would clarify the autopsy results. Nor has he had access to witness and police statements.
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People are basing their idea on what happened based on a combination of the autopsy and what they've heard from multiple independent witness statements, which Baden did not reportedly have at the time. I agree that we can't know with 100% clarity what happened on the day - but we can put forward our views on what is the most likely scenario given all the information we have.

Edit: Whoa, didn't even see all those other posts. O_O That's what I get for not refreshing before posting!
 
Nappuccino said:
Is he the real David Wong? If so this is kinda tarnishing my appreciation of his work.
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I have no idea.

David H Wong said:
All we have is a tragedy and conflicting witness testimony about what happened.
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I'll let everybody else deal with the rest of the stuff you're saying, but all publicly released witness testimony matches/is corroborated. It's about 4(5?) witnesses so far. The only differing opinion seems to be the police officer's account, which we don't have yet.

Fake Edit: Or apparently not. You really could've relaxed a bit, that was probably your doom.

Brolic Gaoler said:
You act like it doesn't happen. If you're going to spear someone, you don't run head up facing them,and if tackling someone it's the same.
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You don't tuck your head until you're in very close proximity to someone when you do that, though.
 
I'm guessing if the shots on the insides of his arms were from when he was running away, the autopsy would have figured that out, no?
 
SamuelSupreme said:
Sounds like Mike Brown did an Aggressive Stare than an Aggressive Stance and then finally followed it up with an Aggressive step....No white man can survive that kind of Combo...Officer Wilson is lucky to be alive.
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I know this is a tense situation, but this made me lol hard.
 
J1SSL3R said:
Wait so witnesses claimed he was turned away from the police, but the autopsy shows that he was shot from the front?
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Bullets were found in neighboring properties.

It makes sense that he was running, the bullets missed, and he turned around with hands up going WTF is this.

I wonder if location of hits on arms indicate that they were raised.

Cat said:
@akjohnson1922 (Boston Globe reporter)
Cop just told photog to "back the fuck up or ill shot."
https://twitter.com/akjohnson1922/status/501200586750951424
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Why hasnt the entire police department been arrested?



Edit: Woops I had GAF open and am late
 
David H Wong said:
Yes, suggesting the posters in this thread don't have extensive experience performing autopsies is playing devil's advocate.

If the roles were reversed and some poster was using that drawing to declare a black shooter guilty, you'd be calling him a nazi.

So, how about we wait until we have all of the information?
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This is a noble sentiment that perhaps you can explore further in your very own thread titled "Until We Have All The Info In Ferguson", which will surely be rife with conversation.

edit: Banned. damn, didn't see that.
 
J1SSL3R said:
I don't think a child should be out there. Not after all these previous nights. That's just bad parenting IMO. I'd leave my child safer at home with someone.
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I do agree that children should probably be at home in a volatile situation, like the one on Ferguson. But, I also appreciate that some parents would want their children to witness the events unfolding. This is reality and exposing your children to something like a peaceful protest for the plight of their people. I can respect that. It's very powerful.
 
Sorry if my shoddy photoshop offended anyone. I didn't mean it as my opinion on the autopsy and it of course does not have any science behind it. It was just continuing on the "Hands up, don't shoot" phrasing of this incident.

:<
 
David H Wong said:
Now do one where he's charging at the police officer. Then do one where he's on the ground, pleading for his life. Why not? We're pulling all of these out of our asses, might as well cover every situation.
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How does one charge an officer in a manner that allows for him to be hit on the inside arm multiple times?

How ridiculous of a scenario is the officer going to put forth to get out of those shots?

David H Wong said:
To imply that's the position he was in when he was shot, which not even the person who did the autopsy was willing to say. Come on, don't get silly. It doesn't help the cause.

If Brown was denied due process, you don't right that wrong by denying it to the shooter. All we have is a tragedy and conflicting witness testimony about what happened.
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I see that he's been banned but I want to respond anyways just to get the point out there for others.

If Mike Brown (Or anyone else) has been denied due process....that individual was denied due process by the state....not gaf posters.

We aren't a court of law and we can speculate as much as we want.

And that goes for public opinion on these matters in general. Beyond a Reasonable Doubt = A TRIAL standard.
 
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