Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue
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Schattenjäger
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Because it's implied because of the context of the discussion they are having ..why would any cocaine dealer be crossing the border? He's referring to the cartel dealers transporting in bulk
I'm gonna stop the back and forth on this o'reilly segment now because I don't think it belongs in this thread .. You can have the final say
Schattenjäger
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This really offers nothing to the discussion.. Another poster even claimed he was being humorous
Clearly not racist.. Just humorous!!
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Right on, I hear what you're saying. And I do think that O'Riley probably would have said the same thing if his guest was white. He was trying to point out the oddness of his thought experiment because clearly the guy he was talking to ISN'T a cocaine dealer.
The insensitivity of the situation should have given O'Riley pause however. The implication is that, as has been pointed out, even if you become the 'model minority' you're still seen as a criminal thug and essentially calling a black academic a cocaine dealer is, whether he intended it or not, a reinforcing dog-whistle that had plenty of people watching who were thinking the same thing nodding their heads in agreement. Humorous intent, but horrible implication.
GeekyDad
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Saddens me that a Columbia Univ. professor would waste his time talking publicly to that prick.
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
Fair enough
methane47
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this.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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For anybody that wants to read a bit more about the model minority stereotype, read this
btw, its very interesting that first result I get in google's auto-complete for "asian mod" is "asian model minority" and not "Asian Model".
Post of the day.
Nappuccino
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I'm glad that the interviewer kept it going until it they had some resolution, but I think Talib flew off the handle a bit too quickly, even if he was trying to make some really good points.
Random Painted HIghway
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His relationships with the media such as this predate his Columbia position and are a large reason he is something more than just a professor.
BeatResetsTheWorld
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Ugh, this thread is getting to me...especially all these posters claiming to be "unbiased" or "neutral". You guys realize when you argue for unbiasness for a point that has evidence leaning in one direction, that makes you biased.
When we have multiple unrelated EYEwtinesses with the same story versus a number of people who only heard it through hearsay, from the shooter, and you state nonsense like "It's hard to say which side to trust more" that's not being impartial, no matter what you like to tell yourself
When we have multiple unrelated EYEwtinesses with the same story versus a number of people who only heard it through hearsay, from the shooter, and you state nonsense like "It's hard to say which side to trust more" that's not being impartial, no matter what you like to tell yourself
My first time posting on this, but here are my 2 cents. I still have an open mind and would like to see all evidence once the investigation is complete.
After reading a lot about this, my gut has me leaning toward that the cop was justified in shooting Mike Brown.It may be misplaced belief that a cop would not shoot someone for no reason at all. In my opinion there are 2 possible scenarios.
A. The cop stopped had words and a struggle, Mike got away, ran, cop fired shots, Mike stops turns around raises his hands and the cop shoots and kills him anyway for no reason at all.
B. The cop stopped had words and a struggle which includes Mike punching him and trying to take the cops gun. Mike backs off and runs, stops and turns around and starts running at the cop, cop feels threatened and shoots Mike.
So of those two possible scenarios, which one seems more likely to happen? Maybe I like to think that no one, let alone a cop, could just kill someone in cold blood. I've met many jerk cops in my life but never would think that any of them were capable of cold blooded murder. Maybe it is my naivety.
The witnesses are pretty damning against the cop, but like others have said, this happened in a matter of seconds. People witnessing something happening so fast can leave out some details or even add in details that didn't happen.
Like I said earlier, this is my gut feeling, doesn't mean it is correct. I still would like to see all forensic evidence once the investigation is complete and see if it falls in line with the witnesses or the cops version of what happened.
After reading a lot about this, my gut has me leaning toward that the cop was justified in shooting Mike Brown.It may be misplaced belief that a cop would not shoot someone for no reason at all. In my opinion there are 2 possible scenarios.
A. The cop stopped had words and a struggle, Mike got away, ran, cop fired shots, Mike stops turns around raises his hands and the cop shoots and kills him anyway for no reason at all.
B. The cop stopped had words and a struggle which includes Mike punching him and trying to take the cops gun. Mike backs off and runs, stops and turns around and starts running at the cop, cop feels threatened and shoots Mike.
So of those two possible scenarios, which one seems more likely to happen? Maybe I like to think that no one, let alone a cop, could just kill someone in cold blood. I've met many jerk cops in my life but never would think that any of them were capable of cold blooded murder. Maybe it is my naivety.
The witnesses are pretty damning against the cop, but like others have said, this happened in a matter of seconds. People witnessing something happening so fast can leave out some details or even add in details that didn't happen.
Like I said earlier, this is my gut feeling, doesn't mean it is correct. I still would like to see all forensic evidence once the investigation is complete and see if it falls in line with the witnesses or the cops version of what happened.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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If you think that a cop is incapable of killing someone for petty or nonexistant reasons you haven't been paying enough attention.
Edit: And yes, it is your naivety, we had a thread pop up yesterday about two cops that have been in service for 24 years killing their daughter's boyfriend without any provocation.
Edit: And yes, it is your naivety, we had a thread pop up yesterday about two cops that have been in service for 24 years killing their daughter's boyfriend without any provocation.
methane47
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Talib made some great points putting CNN on blast.. But jeez Don Lemon did a great job handling the situation.
Ya, you seem well intentioned tbro777, but your entire premise is based on the idea that cops are somehow above cold-blooded murder.
Lets look at it this way. We have been given proof just the other day that police officers, just like everyone else, are capable of murder. Two officers from OK City shot and killed a teenager (while they were off-duty) for no other reason than he was dating their daughter. So your premise is already impossible to accept.
So we have to accept that a cop is capable of murder in the first degree. This situation doesn't even have to escalate to a struggle between Mike and Wilson at that point because Wilson, conceivably, was capable of just shooting him dead from his car. However we know that there was a struggle or confrontation of some kind and a normal human reaction to confrontation is escalation of violence. That escalation involved an armed police officer and an unarmed kid. So as the situation gets worse it's obvious what would happen next.
That, of course, is a nice theory that holds no water unless there is some kind of evidence to prove it out. In this case we happen to have multiple eyewitnesses who have described what amounts to a murder done in anger.
BronsonLee
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I was going to bring that up but it felt unrelated. It also made me feel like dirt.
Nothing could surprise me anymore, really.
I don't know if this has been posted but:
www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-b...on-police-never-filed-incident-report-n186431
So not only did the police leave Michael's corpse for everyone to see for several hours, without calling for medical attention, they also didn't bother to write an incident report.
www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-b...on-police-never-filed-incident-report-n186431
So not only did the police leave Michael's corpse for everyone to see for several hours, without calling for medical attention, they also didn't bother to write an incident report.
BronsonLee
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If McCulloch not only can't find it, but says so, I don't see any way he doesn't blow them the fuck out/get an indictment. And then everyone will just roll along on their merry way, after gone pretty hard in the paint on him RE: his dad being killed and family being cops
Corronchilejano
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Don't forget: The woman that was supposedly shot in a drive-by incident recovered only to find out that the five black men that were being searched by the police weren't the ones who shot her (they actually helped her), that cops had come to the hospital to look for the bullet (and never took her testimony for what had happened, ever) and had no report on the incident at all.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Phuck America. I'm seriously planning on moving out of this country. It doesn't deserve me.
They spent so much on equipping their police, they didn't have enough money to hire a Photoshop expert.
I'm still waiting for CNN or MSNBC to cover it.
methane47
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wat? What is this story you are talking about?
More_Badass
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Is there a thread for this? It really deserves more attention
I know it happens, I never said it didn't. I did read that. It's horrible and I hope those 2 spend the rest of their lives in prison or executed.
In the Mike Brown case, again, I'm just giving my opinion, it doesn't mean I am right. I could very well be wrong but then again so could everyone who is saying it is murder.
Corronchilejano
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It was in the previous thread for this but it never got its own. I'll search for it and see if there's a follow up.
EDIT: owned by kehs
It doesn't seem like you're much interested in discussion though. People provided a pretty concise reason for why your 'opinion' is rooted in inaccurate information but you don't really have anything to say besides 'I still think it's justified'.
So if you accept that cops are capable of cold-blooded murder, then what makes Wilson incapable of rage induced murder?
Of course Wilson is capable of murder, everyone is capable of murder
On the flip side, what makes you think Mike Brown wasn't capable of assaulting the cop?
Also I never said I think it is justified, it's that I'm leaning towards it. That doesn't mean my mind is made up.
Eyewitnesses?
BronsonLee
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methane47
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LOL this is ridiculous.. I didn't understand what you guys were saying but this has to be a trap. Police must have done this JUST so that regular people can come up with conspiracies about how the police shot her and covered it up.. just so they can later on release evidence showing it was Mike Brown who shot her.
Must be. Not falling for this. I'm already heated up enough over all the stuff going on.
No sign of injury on Wilson in a video shot immediately after the confrontation?
Saint Gregory
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I've been reading so much crazy stuff the last few weeks online but it really does seem like a lot of people think a person's profession somehow raises them above common human nature.
Anyone is capable of snapping and in a moment of anger or fear doing something that they would normally do. When you add firearms and a lack of general oversight to these powerful emotions it only raises the possibility that you'll act badly.
It's kind of hard to support an argument that the police in these case are justified and are making quick judgment decision to protect their lives when we have data to show that when they are being monitored reports of excessive force and police brutality plummet.
Why is it exactly that while we have large numbers of police officers with dash cameras and body cameras we don't have any footage of any justified shootings of unarmed men? Considering the frequency that police are reporting men reaching for their weapons and being forced to shoot you'd think that they would have captured one of these events on camera by now.
Anyone is capable of snapping and in a moment of anger or fear doing something that they would normally do. When you add firearms and a lack of general oversight to these powerful emotions it only raises the possibility that you'll act badly.
It's kind of hard to support an argument that the police in these case are justified and are making quick judgment decision to protect their lives when we have data to show that when they are being monitored reports of excessive force and police brutality plummet.
Why is it exactly that while we have large numbers of police officers with dash cameras and body cameras we don't have any footage of any justified shootings of unarmed men? Considering the frequency that police are reporting men reaching for their weapons and being forced to shoot you'd think that they would have captured one of these events on camera by now.
There was on video of the guy in the background who says Mike Brown came back at the cop, so there are some conflicting stories there.
Also, you talking about that blurred video shot so far away you can't even tell that the cop is Wilson. If you hadn't seen Wilson's picture you wouldn't be able to id him as the person in the video
Corronchilejano
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There's one conflicting report from someone we don't know. We don't even know if he was really even there for the shooting, or if he thinks that's what happened. It's 6 people vs the one guy who may not be a genuine witness.
Corronchilejano
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Also there're the two unidentified guys talking about the incident where you can barely understand what they're saying.
More_Badass
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Thread about Aaten-White:
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=880334
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=880334
There is a video of a guy in the background who says 'he' kept on coming. There's unfortunately no context to the conversation and the person hasn't come forward to explain the context so it means literally nothing. It's a post hoc rationalization that was only 'discovered' after Wilson claimed that Brown rushed back at him.
And yes, while the video is blurry, it clearly is Wilson in it and his face shows no signs of obvious trauma. At least nothing that would justify the killing of anyone. The video itself wasn't released until after Wilson was ID officially by the cops because the woman filming it didn't want his identity released pre-maturely.
I edited to make more sense. That's who I was referring to.
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