Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue

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FiggyCal said:
There's one conflicting report from someone we don't know. We don't even know if he was really even there for the shooting, or if he thinks that's what happened. It's 6 people vs the one guy who may not be a genuine witness.
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I know, I said the witnesses are damning to the cops story but I'm still willing to wait and see if all the evidence falls in line with the witnesses. If it does then I agree lock this guy up for the rest of his life. Like I said I'm leaning, I'm not 100% convinced the cop is in the right here.


You have to admit, you can't see any detail on the guys face to say there is or isn't any injuries or swelling.
 
My grandma says she wants me to take her shopping for canned goods and supplies because of the impending race war that's sure to hit South Florida soon. She does nothing but listen to right wing radio, so I suppose they're going with the "watch out for black people" rhetoric.
 
tbro777 said:
I know, I said the witnesses are damning to the cops story but I'm still willing to wait and see if all the evidence falls in line with the witnesses. If it does then I agree lock this guy up for the rest of his life. Like I said I'm leaning, I'm not 100% convinced the cop is in the right here.


You have to admit, you can't see any detail on the guys face to say there is or isn't any injuries or swelling.
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I'm passed humoring the Ferguson police. Remember: the extent of his injuries have gone from orbital fracture to swelling on the side of his face. When asked on which side the swelling is on, the chief said he couldn't comment. I don't believe a word of their defense. The chief should be ashamed of himself and resign.
 
BeatResetsTheWorld said:
Ugh, this thread is getting to me...especially all these posters claiming to be "unbiased" or "neutral". You guys realize when you argue for unbiasness for a point that has evidence leaning in one direction, that makes you biased.

When we have multiple unrelated EYEwtinesses with the same story versus a number of people who only heard it through hearsay, from the shooter, and you state nonsense like "It's hard to say which side to trust more" that's not being impartial, no matter what you like to tell yourself
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well you know... hwne you have 4 or 5 eyewitnesses all saying they saw the same thing you can have whats called a group illusion...

...i was going to pretend but then this guy posted right below you.

tbro777 said:
My first time posting on this, but here are my 2 cents. I still have an open mind and would like to see all evidence once the investigation is complete.

After reading a lot about this, my gut has me leaning toward that the cop was justified in shooting Mike Brown.It may be misplaced belief that a cop would not shoot someone for no reason at all. In my opinion there are 2 possible scenarios.

A. The cop stopped had words and a struggle, Mike got away, ran, cop fired shots, Mike stops turns around raises his hands and the cop shoots and kills him anyway for no reason at all.

B. The cop stopped had words and a struggle which includes Mike punching him and trying to take the cops gun. Mike backs off and runs, stops and turns around and starts running at the cop, cop feels threatened and shoots Mike.

So of those two possible scenarios, which one seems more likely to happen? Maybe I like to think that no one, let alone a cop, could just kill someone in cold blood. I've met many jerk cops in my life but never would think that any of them were capable of cold blooded murder. Maybe it is my naivety.

The witnesses are pretty damning against the cop, but like others have said, this happened in a matter of seconds. People witnessing something happening so fast can leave out some details or even add in details that didn't happen.

Like I said earlier, this is my gut feeling, doesn't mean it is correct. I still would like to see all forensic evidence once the investigation is complete and see if it falls in line with the witnesses or the cops version of what happened.
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mattiewheels said:
My grandma says she wants me to take her shopping for canned goods and supplies because of the impending race war that's sure to hit South Florida soon. She does nothing but listen to right wing radio, so I suppose they're going with the "watch out for black people" rhetoric.
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ah man, so true. Last year during the Zimmerman trial, i mean Trayvon Martin trial, a middle aged white guy was wanting to bet everyone that "the blacks" would riot if Zimmerman was found not guilty. He made me lose my shit at work because he was using all the FOX news crap "trayvon had skittles and iced tea! dude was going to make purple drank!"
 
FiggyCal said:
I'm passed humoring the Ferguson police. Remember: the extent of his injuries have gone from orbital fracture to swelling on the side of his face. When asked on which side the swelling is on, the chief said he couldn't comment. I don't believe a word of their defense. The chief should be ashamed of himself and resign.
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Agreed, the chief's handling of this has been terrible. Any and all evidence they have, including the police report, photos of Wilson injuries(if there are any) and the county's autopsy report should be shared with the public. He definitely should step down. With that said you can't equate the chief's actions (or inaction) to Wilson being guilty.
 
FiggyCal said:
I'm passed humoring the Ferguson police. Remember: the extent of his injuries have gone from orbital fracture to swelling on the side of his face. When asked on which side the swelling is on, the chief said he couldn't comment. I don't believe a word of their defense. The chief should be ashamed of himself and resign.
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The only time the police department has attempted to be transparent in this case is when the info works in their favor. Even when they were finally forced to reveal the name of the officer, they paired the announcement with the release of a police report and video of a robbery that the DoJ suggested them not to release because it was unrelated to the actual shooting. These guys can not be trusted to do an unbiased investigation of something related to one of their own men. Its the reason why the FBI had to come over and conduct their own investigation.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
When did I say probably? And my post was to another poster in regards to "if they existed, we would see them already."
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Replace "probably" with "possibly" in my post and my point still stands. You could say brown possibly planned to punch Wilson in the face and martyr himself since that's "possible." It isn't based on any logic or evidence though, so there's no point in mentioning it. By mentioning that "possibility," you are suggesting that it should be considered, no matter how asinine or without good reason it may be to consider.

What I should've said to begin with is that all of your posts I've seen have been insufferably "neutral" in that you scramble to write contrarian "counterpoints" to speculation or summations that are actually based on facts, evidence and similar past situations.

Saying they "possibly" aren't ready to release evidence of injuries suggests they can possibly have an honest reason not to release it. Saying it's "possible" that they're not yet ready, then not providing any reasoning or reference to legitimate police protocol makes your post — and all those like it — look like purely like law enforcement-apologist. rhetoric. I don't like making assumptions of people based on what they argue in favor of, but I would be surprised if you're not a cop, or in some branch of law enforcement. Don't know why else someone would be inclined to play devil's advocate to this degree.
 
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God, I can't stand conservatives. I was chatting with a "friend" about this and he goes on about the rioting and looting, and of course the riots needed to put it down with force, how people can't give into the mob mentality and they need to let the law do its job, how it's all Sharpton's and Obama's and all the race baiters' faults for the situation getting out of hand

"But...the protests were mostly peaceful"

"The people were rioting, what do you expect to the police to do? Talk nicely to them?"

I gave up there
 
akira28 said:
So far the officer's past has been completely left out. Or at least I haven't seen anything beyond his years of service and the fact that he was commended once.
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That's because Ferguson had those five fucking days of not releasing his name to completely wipe his internet persona. Or does no one else find it unusual that we have no pics of this dude and that a 28 year old somehow has absolutely no social media presence?
 
OMG I thought it was a joke until I clicked the link.

They're like Cobra Command levels of cartoonishly evil and incompetent.
 
commedieu said:
come the fuck on.. and people still play the "wait till the facts come out.." card? The Ferguson PD are a problem. That is a fact.
with all this bullshit, the civil rights violations, everything. You still have people leaning towards not holding them 100% responsible for all of this.
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How do you even begin to fix this. Fire everyone? This is such a fucked, corrupt situation. Who has the power to do anything in this situation?
 
commedieu said:
come the fuck on.. and people still play the "wait till the facts come out.." card? The Ferguson PD are a problem. That is a fact.
with all this bullshit, the civil rights violations, everything. You still have people leaning towards not holding them 100% responsible for all of this.
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Clearly, with this report, the facts are in.

Nothing happened on that afternoon.

Case dismissed.
 
jett said:
How do you even begin to fix this. Fire everyone? This is such a fucked, corrupt situation. Who has the power to do anything in this situation?
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Civil right lawsuits.
Firings.
More diverse officers.
Mandatory Cameras (Nation wide)

The cameras will solve 100% of our police problems in the USA. If there is a camera, and a cloud storage. We won't have to "wait for all the facts" which means, wait for an unlikely story to be told by an official. Rialto PD in california should be the model.

Police are government servants tasked with the ability to kill civilians. They need to be monitored whenever they are working. Audio and Video. Or, take the authority to use lethal force away, and only have special teams when needed.
 
commedieu said:
come the fuck on.. and people still play the "wait till the facts come out.." card? The Ferguson PD are a problem. That is a fact.
with all this bullshit, the civil rights violations, everything. You still have people leaning towards not holding them 100% responsible for all of this.
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And they'll be back to defend them too. No matter how bad the PD is. No matter what they do. They cannot and will not let their mind entertain the thought of these people actually being hypocrites and criminals.
 
Kinsei said:
I can't believe people this incompetent are responsible for protecting others.

Am I naive for thinking that this will cause some major changes in the America's police force?
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Maybe at any other point in the last 40 years. But today, with this politically polarized and anemic country. Probably not.
 
nilbog21 said:
holy shit, this is completely irrelevant but have you guys seen this video?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=645131908831700

I must be fucked up in the head but that is some sweet justice porn
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This isn't any sort of justice. This is chaos. No one wants other human beings hurt. People want other human beings to stop shooting them to death because they look like a stereotype in someones mind. There isn't a us vs them situation. The police are out of control, and need to be legally dealt with.

Im not excited to see this. Has no purpose in this thread.

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This is a lame ass attempt to get high fives from people because there is some impression that everyone wants all cops dead. My dad was a cop. Same shit the chicago folks did to stir up nonsense at the protest.
 
commedieu said:
Civil right lawsuits.
Firings.
More diverse officers.
Mandatory Cameras (Nation wide)

The cameras will solve 100% of our police problems in the USA. If there is a camera, and a cloud storage. We won't have to "wait for all the facts" which means, wait for an unlikely story to be told by an official. Rialto PD in california should be the model.
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Noooo they won't. See the Albuquerque police shooting of the homeless man. Body cameras are only going to result in more POV snuff films.
 
Ferguson PD act with impunity because the prosecutor in that area sides blindly with them. There are no checks, no balance.

Not all PDs are like that, but Ferguson PD is a cancer in law enforcement.
 
commedieu said:
This isn't any sort of justice. This is chaos. No one wants other human beings hurt. People want other human beings to stop shooting them to death because they look like a stereotype in someones mind. There isn't a us vs them situation. The police are out of control, and need to be legally dealt with.

Im not excited to see this. Has no purpose in this thread.

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This is a lame ass attempt to get high fives from people because there is some impression that everyone wants all cops dead. My dad was a cop. Same shit the chicago folks did to stir up nonsense at the protest.
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Americans make me laugh. You think you can solve things by sitting in your seat and watching cops abuse their power. The justice system will take care of it guys.. stay in your seats, everyone, please... let that guy being held down by 3 dudes get repeatedly get beat on the head with a baton... what the fuck is wrong with you? the guy on the soccer team who initiated the drop kick has a LOT to lose doing that to group of presumably corrupt police.. guy is a leader and a hero IMO

ofc you need to help the guy but not beat the cops until unconscious...
 
kame-sennin said:
Noooo they won't. See the Albuquerque police shooting of the homeless man. Body cameras are only going to result in more POV snuff films.
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Well New Mexico PD is probably the only PD worse than ferguson at this point. Is being investigated by the justice department. NM shoots more people than any police department in the Nation. They also "lost" the footage for the 14 year old girl they shot. Which is why I say cloud storage is needed.

I'd rather have the POV snuff films, than the officers sworn statement that the homeless guy came right at him. The FBI is still investigating, and one of the officers was debadgged/degunned.

nilbog21 said:
Americans make me laugh. You think you can solve things by sitting in your seat and watching cops abuse their power. The justice system will take care of it guys.. stay in your seats, everyone, please... let that guy being held down by 3 dudes get repeatedly get beat on the head with a baton... what the fuck is wrong with you? the guy on the soccer team who initiated the drop kick has a LOT to lose doing that to group of presumably corrupt police.. guy is a leader and a hero IMO

ofc you need to help the guy but not beat the cops until unconscious...
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I didn't say anything about sitting in a seat and watching police abuse power. I said that police need to be dealt with via lawful means. Not retaliation vs escalating retaliation. Its great that they came down to help the guy. The point of it being posted in here with "justice huh guys!!!" Isn't the justice that is best for peace between civilians and the police department, and the current situation in America. Police have no legal responsibility to do their job honestly in America.
 
It worth noting that the 12:43 dispatch recorded here is almost 45 minutes after the shooting, and it took them an hour and a half to arrive on the scene...
 
nilbog21 said:
Americans make me laugh. You think you can solve things by sitting in your seat and watching cops abuse their power. The justice system will take care of it guys.. stay in your seats.. let that guy being held down by 3 dudes get repeatedly get beat on the head with a baton... what the fuck is wrong with you? the guy on the soccer team who initiated the drop kick has a LOT to lose doing that to police.. guy is a leader and a hero IMO

ofc you need to help the guy but not beat the cops until unconscious...
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You will never convince Americans of this. You should know that we're taught a completely falsified history based on the myth that our noble justice system always does the right thing in the end. And, the American system of justice is perfectly defined to reinforce that hope while at the same time, staunchly reinforcing the status quo. Americans will never stand up and defend themselves because they are under the delusion that some court somewhere will eventually come to their rescue.

commedieu said:
Well New Mexico PD is probably the only PD worse than ferguson at this point. Is being investigated by the justice department. NM shoots more people than any police department in the Nation. They also "lost" the footage for the 14 year old girl they shot. Which is why I say cloud storage is needed.

I'd rather have the POV snuff films, than the officers sworn statement that the homeless guy came right at him. The FBI is still investigating, and one of the officers was debadgged/degunned.
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My main point is that we have almost a century worth of cases that shows that police won't be prosecuted for murder even when there is overwhelming evidence. There may be a few exceptions, but the overwhelming majority of killers go free. Video evidence isn't going to change that much.
 
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