Gordon Shumway
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It's been a while..have they arrested the corpse yet for stealing those cigars?
Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue
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Thank you for this. I couldn't find myself to do it, but I appreciate you for doing this.
Surprisingly the margin isn't that big until you get into the question about whether or not black people need more money. Money won't solve various problems but it's big differences like this that pretty much reveal why black people are more aligned with the democratic party. There is more of a willingness to help and be brotherly. The GOP's policies stink but as I said not just for black people.
They really lack a lot of compassion for their fellow man because of differing religious, orientation or ethnic background and their attitudes towards women even when everything else is aligned to their tastes can be pretty disgusting.
Saint Gregory
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Out of morbid curiosity which insightful race related topics were you attempting to discuss? The plight of maligned conservatives in this cruel minority dominated world?
People may be using this thread to vent their frustrations about other race related topics and you're not going to find many people arguing with them because race appears to be a central issue to why someone who was unarmed was seen to be a threat that required that he be killed as opposed to being arrested. The fact that this thread and the last one has been taken over by debate about what crime Mike Brown did or did not commit and who's done worse to whom only goes to emphasize the fact that his life was seen to have lesser value than another person who hadn't committed any crimes. As someone more eloquently stated in the last thread the lives of black people aren't seen as a right, they're seen as a privilege and Mike Brown gave up that privilege in the eyes of many by living up to their stereotypes.
Had it not been that video it would have probably been something else as there's always something else that justifies why you're dead when you're black. If you want to pretend as others have that's not the reality of this situation and the real problem is that we don't give enough consideration to the feelings of those who prefer to marginalizes these issues and play the victim then please go right ahead.
Chie Satonaka
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The only people I've seen discussing it are President Obama, Claire McKaskill (sp?) And Rand Paul.
It's actually kind of surprising how quite people are about it. No major celebrity musings, no politicians jumping on top of it, nothing. You'd think this would be a much bigger deal, and yet...
benjipwns
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There were a good number of celebrities doing the hands up thing. But that was back before the "riots" and then the facts about how Michael Brown was throwing cars and charging at full speed literally as a freight train at Peace Warrior Wilson.
Brolic Gaoler
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Most are waiting for more evidence before taking a side. And rightfully so, the fallout would be terrible if they were on the wrong side of this.
Chie Satonaka
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I see. I must have missed the celeb stuff.
Also, to be fair, if Juggernaut was charging at me, I'd unload my entire clip iinto him too. I'm not sure how the bullet even stopped him if he was in his full armor. It must have been a holy bullet blessed by the one above all himself.
*sigh*
but can you answer the question tho?
NYCmetsfan
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Nappuccino
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If he feared for his life, shooting another person still is not an easy thing. On top of that, if this was a "proper shooting," being villainized by so many could not be an easy thing to deal with. He'd be emotionally distraught and suffering the onslaught of criticism for "doing the right thing"--not to mention his family getting in the crossfire.
That said, if it was a "proper shooting" it would probably also be a lot easier to prove and they'd have actually done the paper work.
googleplex
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Or you can follow the conversation and try to keep up. I equated people who still call themselves Republicans but want to somhow distance themselves from the racists sexist, homophobia Republican leadership.
I said that like being a member of the KKK Because you like their picnics and barbecues.
If you don't want to be called a pig don't play in the mud with them.
Try and keep up.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Police.
Shooting blacks.
Half are just ignorant of racial politics, half are just plain racist. Then there's a mix of the two.
benjipwns
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What they view as an attack on the rule of law and their "law-abiding" culture. Brown was a criminal, Wilson is arm of the law, that's all they need to know. Thugs get what's coming to them.
The same type of confusion shows its head in the refusal to separate foreign policy from the soldiers who are called upon to enforce it.
It's opposition to a feared chaos that's not actually waiting in the wings. Brown was a force of chaos against "us" while Wilson is a force of order protecting "us" from lawlessness.
If only we had a group of persons trained to collect evidence, analyze it, and release that information to the public. We could give them badges and uniforms and it'd just be dandy.
benjipwns
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That's crazy, it'll never work, what's next a phone where you can just push buttons? Get out of here with this sci-fi fantasy bullshit.
Nappuccino
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They only collect evidence in Ferguson once a month, on a Thursday.
HP_Wuvcraft
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The Evidence Man comes in his big truck early, so you best put all your evidence out at night the following day.
Remember the end of Die Hard where the feel good ending is that the cop gets over his fear of killing and shoots the bad guy dead? On Christmas?
Because they have an excuse to celebrate a dead black person, and white people don't get many of those anymore.
You can say that I'm seeing racism where it doesn't exist, but if that's a black cop shooting a white kid, that cop doesn't have a job, let alone protestors going on national media trying to say how much they support him.
Isn't that the onus of a cop? being distraught over your actions.
It's fucking disgusting that it's essentially the rational for this behaviour.
Damn I love you benji when you're not being sarcastic.
I was thinking we could organize a body of people who willingly wanted to serve and protect all of our civilians in exchange for honor and wages. It's a crazy idea, I know, but since they'd be serving the people they'd also be accountable to them, and representative of them.
Just a pipe dream, really. But since we're fantasizing anyway, I'd like to think we'd also require they be trained only on how to subdue offenders so that they could face the justice of the people these servants were supposed to be serving and protecting.
They wouldn't be the law or justice. They'd just serve and protect the people, who would, in theory, dictate what laws and justice they wanted.
But that's a whole nother pipe dream.
And only for an hour after lunch.
Good guys stopped the bad guys, Amen.
@Rebelutionary_Z said:
Rebelutionary Z has been anti mainstream media in his streams/twitter the last few days. It's rather arrogant of him of doing this. While he did expose OfficerGoFuckYourself through his stream, it wouldn't have garnered the attention on a wide scale without CNN putting this officer on full blast. This then led to other media (HuffPo, WaPo, etc) exposing other officers. It's annoying how he gloats his video to the residents of Ferguson.
He also frequently denounces VICE, whom I believe provided good coverage of the events in Ferguson. Large media outlets like CNN do have their flaws but what he doesn't understand is that CNN and the likes have to cover a broad range of issues so they're not able to have their eyes extensively on Ferguson 24/7. While most media outlets left, CNN did stay in the area. I know for sure Don Lemon, Jake Tapper, and a producer are still there and probably won't leave for quite some time.
Holy shit, McNaughton actually inspired someone? Haha, oh wow.
Is TR clapping there in the background? Cuz I bet he would. TR'd probably wonder why America hadn't conquered the world more directly at this point.
It's a shame that the story ends for a whole lot of people at this point.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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This is the same country where a guy can get called a hero after killing a kid he was specifically told not to follow
Chie Satonaka
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It's really important to remember that this happened. George might be bankrupt, but he's still out there doing something, and he still has allies.
@ryanjreilly said:
Dewan replied that he is a U.S. citizen, too. Then one protester told him to learn to speak English.
"I am speaking English," Dewan said.
"I am speaking English do you understand that?! Stupid jack***, do you understand that?!" a protester yelled at Dewan.
http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2014/08/25/off
HP_Wuvcraft
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It's so sad that to some asshole, "English" means "no accent".
EDIT: And his accent wasn't even that pronounced. Jesus.
As for the woman chanting "I am Darren Wilson!", what the fuck does that even mean? That you should have the right to kill people?
benjipwns
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I think the racist explanation is too simple. Most of these people would make similar statements about lower class white criminals, drug dealers, meth heads, etc.
Where race comes in is the ease in which it helps to define "the other" even more than simply between order and crime. And it provides the pro-Wilson side to also go after victim status. In the case of their argument that "race-baiters" are fanning the flames and unjustly pushing for prosecuting a police officer.
It's less that Brown is black and more that they view themselves as upstanding lawful citizens, not criminals who get into positions to be shot by police. To see people "defending" this is undermining society and the rule of law.
Now, the counter perspective is that the "defenders" or "race-baiters" are coming from their own experience and familiarity with these types of events. Since the pro-Wilson side doesn't, they remain ignorant of the fact that it happens to "their people" as well or find ways to justify those as "exceptions" to their lawful culture and continue to oppose what they view as an organized opposition culture determined to overthrow the law in favor of criminals. (See kvetching about the ACLU, defense attorneys in general, the tone of every police show WHERE THE BAD GUY HIDES BEHIND THE LAW, etc.)
When that "culture" is predominantly of another race then they think that's a call for the pass of black criminals only which is even worse because that's a race-based exemption.
Basically, the only reason they even take notice of these events is because of the "race-baiters" since they ignore every instance of "their" criminal class as exceptions by individual actors. That way they can live in blissful denial, and people bringing it up runs counter to that. So they hate the messenger a lot.
Race just makes it all worse and more heated.
This is not to say that police departments and governments and individuals don't have problems dealing with racial issues, just that they're often tacked on top and/or used as justifications for their already terrible acts. (Nor is this to say there aren't racists who just want to see darkies exterminated, but they're much more principled and consistent in terms of their visible displays of support.)
HP_Wuvcraft
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No, yeah, that's kind of why I said half were just ignorant of racial politics. I agree with you.
Bam Bam Baklava
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CNN has audio of the actual shooting. Seems like you can hear some shots, a pause, then more shots.
everyday math
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That audio is chilling
ryutaro's mama
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Where is the video?!?!
benjipwns
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Just "ignorant" works too. I mean, these types of shootings and police abuses are happening near constantly and often to whites/hispanics. But it's almost never national news, rarely even local news, in part because it's easy to write off as an exception. Kelly Thomas should have received this type of attention. Hell, David Eckhart probably should have.
When you can define the victim as "black" or something not inherently negative like merely "accused criminal" or "homeless" you grab a lot more attention. I think Brown's age also strongly contributed to this one getting traction, and why there was so much "HE'S REALLY 18" crap. (Similar to the "THAT'S A YOUNGER TRAYVON" photo thing.)
So the race angle has both a benefit to it and a negative side. Especially when in the end nothing is done just like in the cases that don't get national attention or allow for "national conversations" on issues that shouldn't need catalysts to be discussed.
Again, not to say there aren't any racial components to this (and especially the militarization of police and the war on drugs that started it) or that America or humanity doesn't have some serious race issues or so on. Just that there's a curious almost willful ignorance of these type of occurrences and that focusing on race helps shatter the bubble but also seems to raise these greater backlashes because there's an underlying notion that you can't wave it away as an exception.
everyday math
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He was in a chat and he inadvertently caught the audio.
Bam Bam Baklava
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There's no video. Just audio.
ryutaro's mama
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I find it absolutely amazing that no one has video of the incident.
benjipwns
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CNN segment with audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiL-E5WAaUU
If the police wasn't so inept, we would of at least had a perspective from a dashcam. Then again, that video could of been non existent perhaps due to a 'technical issue' because you know...
MorisUkunRasik
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I thought you were fucking with me at first. That shit is eerie.
One of the witnesses was trying to take footage but once the bullets started flying she hid to stay safe, from what I remember. The guy who tweeted stuff would have been too caught off guard by it.
It escalated very quickly from all accounts.
That pause in the shots is just ... i don't have the words for it, knowing how it likely went down.
Sounds like 10 shots. The audio over it is really jarring though.
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