Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue

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Did the officer ever once think of the fucking neighborhood around him. Goodness 11 shots could've killed more people.

Never mind dumb statement. Of course he had no thought on shooting his weapon.
 
Sounds like Wilson unloaded the full clip on Brown and that 3 second pause between bursts seems odd if he's saying Wilson was charging at him that entire time.
 
everyday math said:
Did the officer ever once think of the fucking neighborhood around him. Goodness 11 shots could've killed more people.

Never mind dumb statement. Of course he had no thought on shooting his weapon.
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Remember that "shooting" a couple years back in NYC where the gunman didn't even fire a shot or something but the cops hit like fifteen bystanders shooting at him.
 
sphagnum said:
One of the witnesses was trying to take footage but once the bullets started flying she hid to stay safe, from what I remember. The guy who tweeted stuff would have been too caught off guard by it.
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There's the other guy who saw what was going on through a window then went to get a camera out. By the time he came back, Brown was already shot and then saw the officer shoot the final bullets. Somehow, the witness still didn't capture a video during the final moment.
 
That pause is something, seemed to last an eternity. Quite a nice piece of evidence. Very chilling. Apparently the first six shots weren't enough to put him down so wilson had to fire off four more. damn.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
Holy shit, that sounded like 14-15 shots. I didn't hear really any pause from the first shot (which supposedly happened when Mike reached for the gun)

It's pretty hard to believe someone is gonna turn around and charge you after you've already fired 6-7 shots at them as they ran off.

Didn't see this segment,but is his audio verified?
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Sounds like 10 to me. The pause could be when he turned around. But, it's really hard to see the charging point.
 
Fiction said:
That audio is chilling. I wonder if the 'official story' is going to change again now?
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Brown let out a mighty roar prior to the audio starting. Wilson fearing for his american life fired but this only made Brown angry and he deployed his invisibility power. Wilson then trusted his instincts and let out several more rounds randomly luckily it was enough to stop Brown seconds before his meter was fully charged, saving Wilson and thousands of others.
 
"Your client, having a 'video chat' with a friend, just doing normal, whatever you do..."

Like the dancing around what the guy's saying lol
 
turtle553 said:
11/15 capacity. 6 while running away, stops for 2 seconds, and then 1 shot, half second, 4 more.
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sounded like 11 or 12 to me. Assumed it had a 12 round capacity, thanks for the info.

Random Painted HIghway said:
That pause is something, seemed to last an eternity. Quite a nice piece of evidence. Very chilling. Apparently the first six shots weren't enough to put him down so wilson had to fire off four more. damn.
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This really opens up the possibility that the wound to Brown's arm was suffered while his back was to the officer. Since Brown was hit six times, this probably means he got hit twice while running then turned around and got 4 more....yeesh
 
The fact that her client is apparently Smoove B is almost surreal given the content. But that is incredible audio.
 
abuC said:
Daren Wilson needs to be charged already, it's painfully obvious he murdered Mike.
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I don't know. I'm as much in favor of Mike Brown as any rational person would be . . . but i don't feel like this audio is totally conclusive to the events. There's a lot of wiggle room they have left.
 
benjipwns said:
Remember that "shooting" a couple years back in NYC where the gunman didn't even fire a shot or something but the cops hit like fifteen bystanders shooting at him.
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I'm pretty sure they killed 3 and hit like 12 others. I remember how embarassed the NYPD was when the headlines changed from "Gunman kills 3 injures several others" to "Police officers kill 3 injure several others while shooting at gunman".
 
FunkyMunkey said:
If that audio is real, it seems it might be hard to defend that use of force. I'm sure some will find a way, though.
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That's the main thing. If it's real.

If it is real, it's pretty damning IMO and the only defense is gonna be how much of an ass beating Wilson actually took before shooting. And even then, defending the shots after the pause, unless they can prove mike really did charge him after being shot at 6 times from behind.
 
Nappuccino said:
I don't know. I'm as much in favor of Mike Brown as any rational person would be . . . but i don't feel like this audio is totally conclusive to the events. There's a lot of wiggle room they have left.
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Well, you can definitely see the defense framing the pause as Wilson giving Brown the opportunity to stop, then being forced to resume firing as Brown was moving towards him. That seems pretty batshit insane. We know he wasn't high on pcp or bath salts, we don't know if he had psychiatric issues, but it seems from all the digging into Brown that he didn't, at least not to the point of attacking an officer who has already fired (and connected!) with shots.
 
Oh jeez, that audio is chilling.

I heard four shots after that pause in the middle. The autopsy showed Mike had been shot six times...so he'd already been shot twice before that pause? (I'm assuming that's when he turned around or was starting to turn around if he was hit from the front.) :(
 
Nappuccino said:
I don't know. I'm as much in favor of Mike Brown as any rational person would be . . . but i don't feel like this audio is totally conclusive to the events. There's a lot of wiggle room they have left.
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That nearly 3 second pause in between firings should be to be very difficult to explain. I can't imagine how Wilson could explain that and still be justified. If the first shot was after the charge started, how did the charge take so long and last through so many bullets? If the first shot was in a close range struggle, how did Brown run away and charge back in such a short amount of time?

For the charge story to still work, you almost have to admit you were firing at him from behind to begin with, and the charge happened in the 3 second lull in shooting, or you straight up dismiss the evidence as falsified. I really don't know any other explanation to fit Wilson's story.
 
abuC said:
The pause is pretty damning.
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Like the poster below, it's enough pause that they could argue "Brown had his chance to stop, but didn't and charged the officer instead."


thepotatoman said:
For the charge story to still work, you almost have to admit you were firing at him from behind to begin with, and the charge happened in the 3 second lull in shooting, or you straight up dismiss the evidence as falsified. I really don't know any other explanation to fit Wilson's story.
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I guess I assumed that would be their only real defense. Not that it's /that/ much better for the officer, but if he was badly beaten and thought Brown was a danger to others, I guess they could make the case that those shots from behind were justified. A lot still depends on other evidence is all I'm saying.
 
commedieu said:
Who said I'm talking about Broly......

But.. good advice is good advice. These threads always have people, who have nothing else to say outside of wanting to referee the discussion. You have people who want to be pedantic and scan the thread for anyone who is generalizing. You have all sorts of people that want to talk about all things other than the fact that the Ferguson police department is 100% out of control (OOOH Wait, can't say 100% someone will come in and ask me for concrete data!?)

The fact of the matter is Ferguson has fucked up largely, their PD has a history of fucking over black people. And with that, no one can give this PD the benefit of the doubt. Thats the fact of the matter. People behind their keyboards will tactfully post all around what would get them banned, but its always enough to derail for 10 pages because they didn't bother to even look up the fucking OP/Story/Information.

They are always corrected, and yet, still have the same ridiculous bias. These are the people that don't have the temerity to admit "well shit, this one is different." And are doubling down on the same old bullshit we see whenever a black person is shot to death. Its the same tired arguments, questioning the victim, without ever daring questioning the PD.

Semantics win the day, and don't dare generalize else you're someone who no one should even bother speaking to, as you're now just accusing everyone of racism that wants the police department to be held responsible.

Its bullshit. I don't get why it gets a pass, when its the same bullshit, every fucking thread. Same bullshit game of bending over backwards to give the PD the benefit of the doubt, even when the PD has proven inept (Ferguson) you still have people here giving the PD the benefit of the doubt in the form of "the facts aren't all in, and signed by Obama/CIA/NSA to signify there is problem in Ferguson, and the PD." So this bullshit will continue every single fucking time this happens.

Its upsetting, because you know exactly what the mindset is. I do too. As well as everyone else. Seeing these cute little games played out in these threads of suggestions, opposing opinions that often cite White Supremacist Material, only to be corrected, and ignored because "Well, the officers are probably telling the truth so, who cares what i've been posting for the past 10 pages."

There is no way of winning this argument. We have a situation in this country where people like those are going to reserve judgement until the earth freezes over, and sausage mc muffins take over, even then.. still.. they will side with LEO of the McMuffin because of a bias, since they work in an unrelated form of LEO, but still have to pretend that they are part of the club, and its us vs civilians when it comes to civil rights.

Its always the "Well, those select few who are responsible should be held accountable!" Thats the problem, these people have 0 accountability outside of people saying "they should be!!!!" Thankfully, as I mentioned earlier. The national bar association is suing Ferguson for their botched bullshit paperwork. And more will follow. The Police were taken out of the situation, because they were just escalating it. As anyone worth note has affirmed. Including our most important members of the media.

No, people won't be able to hold the commanding body of the Ferguson pd responsible, and have to double down on the bullshit blue line of "well... there has to be some magical reason that while all we know isn't true in this isolated instance of enforcement." I'd love to see these people give out 5 Star credit approvals to people with horrible credit, because history seems to have absolutely fuck all to do with present day.
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Amazing post right here. All truth.
 
Random Painted HIghway said:
Well, you can definitely see the defense framing the pause as Wilson giving Brown the opportunity to stop, then being forced to resume firing as Brown was moving towards him. That seems pretty batshit insane. We know he wasn't high on pcp or bath salts, we don't know if he had psychiatric issues, but it seems from all the digging into Brown that he didn't, at least not to the point of attacking an officer who has already fired (and connected!) with shots.
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The thing is the pause was brief. It doesn't seem like theres enough time for someone to be running towards the cop then getting shot for self defense.
 
MorisUkunRasik said:
Wilson's testimony said that all shots were fired while Brown faced him correct?
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Yes, and the evidence does support him.

I guessing though that his first few shots missed. That stopped Brown in his tracks and he turned around.

This audio would seem to confirm that more than 7 shots (6 that hit brown and one during the struggle in the car) were fired though.
 
DrForester said:
Yes, and the evidence does support him.

I guessing though that his first few shots missed. That stopped Brown in his tracks and he turned around.

This audio would seem to confirm that more than 7 shots (6 that hit brown and one during the struggle in the car) were fired though.
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I believe the examiner said after the autopsy that some of those wounds could have occurred from being shot from behind.

Also, I don't believe we've actually got Wilson's story yet, just a bunch of people supposedly speaking for him. I may have missed it though.
 
abuC said:
The witnesses say that's not the case though.
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I realize that. But right now I'd feel most comfortable listening to the evidence . . . assuming it was collected properly. I basically just trying to not get my hopes too high if this all turns into a wash.
 
Brolic Gaoler said:
I believe the examiner said after the autopsy that some of those wounds could have occurred from being shot from behind.

Also, I don't believe we've actually got Wilson's story yet, just a bunch of people supposedly speaking for him. I may have missed it though.
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Here it is again:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1408/18/ath.01.html

And as the attorneys were saying, there was a witness statement that said that he was walking away and the gun goes off and he kind of jerks. So the question asked to us was could that wound occurred from him walking away and then he turns around?

It's consistent with that. However, understand too that, while the shot could have come from the back, because if I'm standing here walking along and get shot from that direction, you see when I pull my arm up, it's in that same general area. The arm is a very mobile part of your body, so it also could have occurred when he was putting his hands up. So I put my hands up and you see where that wound is at. It could have happened if he put his arms across in a defensive manner. We don't know and we still have to look at other aspects of this investigation before we can really start piecing things together. Dr. Baden.
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