Absolutely.
Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue
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thepotatoman
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It means that something needs to explain that 3 second pause in between shots. The most likely explanation is that Brown was being fired at from behind, there was a pause in shooting as Brown stopped to turn around, and then there was 5 more shots with him either surrendering or charging depending on which side you believe.
It still seems ridiculous to believe Brown would be brave enough to charge a guy that's already shot at him a bunch, but it's the least ridiculous defense Wilson has of all other possible explanations of that 3 second pause.
Audio is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiL-E5WAaUU
Call me crazy, but I don't know of ANYONE that would charge into someone after they're already shooting at them. Not unless he's the Flash, with the ability to dodge bullets. I just don't buy the charging at the officer excuse.
hillsighed
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Man, P. Diddy can not rap.
"Don't worry if I write rhymes, I write checks" and all that, I know...
And even in that situation the officer is already firing at the back of an unarmed suspect. Charges need to come and evidence needs to be detailed publicly.
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thepotatoman
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They started the grand jury process a few days ago.
Basically, the prosecutor has to convince 9 out of 12 of a Grand Jury, in this case made up of nine white people and three black people, that there's a probable cause of guilt. This happens in a completely secret trial which the defence is not allowed to be present for, unless prosecutor grants them.
The prosecutor says this grand jury process will take until October. If we get that, there would be a standard public trial to determine if he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Getting an indictment from a Grand Jury should be easy. There's a common saying in law enforcement that you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. WIth the evidence we have publically there should be no question, but there is some doubt about the prosecutor. Most think the prosecutor would be throwing away his career if he blows an indiction, and thus would never do that, but I am personally not so sure.
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thepotatoman
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In America you're allowed to shoot at a felon attempting to escape, unless there's a state law saying otherwise, which I don't believe is the case in Missouri.
It's messed up, but its how our laws are written and interpreted.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Stunningly, it appears that the video itself was only 12 seconds long according to CNN. The guy was basically recording a short response to send to the girl and it just so happened to coincide with the moment those shots were fired.
Sometimes life is more fantastical than a movie script.
We still don't know a single thing about Wilson's version.
Mammoth Jones
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Plenty of motherfuckers on reddit say racist shit.
ryutaro's mama
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ryutaro's mama
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When did Wilson's official report come out? I seem to have missed that.
Nappuccino
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I guess with all the people in that area someone had to record a bit of it, statistically speaking.
VICE News: The Man Who Live-Tweeted Michael Brown's Death
Warning: Do not read comments. A lot of VICE's subscribers are racists. Many were/are mad at them because of their continued coverage on Ferguson.
Warning: Do not read comments. A lot of VICE's subscribers are racists. Many were/are mad at them because of their continued coverage on Ferguson.
EatinOlives
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Sadly I don't think that's a trait unique to Vice's subscribers. Many white racists seem bothered and perturbed that people are talking about racism. I mean, the only time it was discussed was when they learned about MLK in the 5th grade and never had to think about it until today, so to them seeing this for the first time is something "out of the ordinary" and jeez guyz why do you talk about this so much?????
Black people throughout this ordeal have had to endure a harsh reminder that racism is alive and healthy to the point of unarmed teenagers still being gunned down in the year 2014. White racists so far bitch that they...have to hear about it a lot. Even in their silly reaction they inadvertently flaunt their cushy privilege.
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thepotatoman
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Sorry, let me rephrase. If the officer had probable cause to suspect he was a violent felon attempting to flee, him shooting would be considered justifiable use of force by law. If not the store robbery, then maybe his "swollen face"/bump on his cheek would suffice as probable cause.
Vox wrote about it here:
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/13/5994305/michael-brown-case-investigation-legal-police-kill-force-murder
The last thing i'm trying to do is make excuses for Wilson. Even if it was legal it was still a terrible thing to do. I just don't want people getting their hopes up that him firing at Brown as he was running away would suffice to put him in jail. That's why I mostly focus on the absurdity of the idea that Brown decided to charge him after being shot from behind instead of doing what all the witnesses said he did and surrendered. That's clearly illegal, and from this end theres not much reasonable doubt left as to that being the case.
That said, there's a ton of use of force policy that needs reworking, and I'd love for that conversation to happen as well.
Angelus Errare
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I don't know what I'm suppose to be reading in that image. So I'm just going to say every single last person who donated to Wilson is an asshole.
While there are people who really support Darren Wilson, most of those comments and names are pure 4chan trolls just look at some, I admit some where rly funny
Karl Tanner, Rabbi Shekelgruber just lol.
Christopher
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Who's approaching that?
EatinOlives
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I really haven't heard any compelling reasoning for actively defending Wilson on this. The "strongest" (relatively speaking) reason I've heard so far is that people are being too hasty to judge him. But thinking about it logically, you're a police officer who chose to shoot an unarmed teenager and have 1) skipped town and 2) refuse to make any statement or be seen by the public. These aren't the actions of a person who would universally get the benefit of the doubt. I mean, I'm not saying nobody's allowed to give him the benefit of the doubt, but at the very least people should have the ability to recognize why other's wouldn't. It's quite obvious why they wouldn't.
The other reason I'm seeing is that he's a police officer who risks his life every day and was just doing his job. This one's naturally far weaker, because an officer isn't risking his life by being in the presence of an unarmed teenager. I'm finding it hard to think of any way in which he would be placed in harm's way in that scenario. I'm also finding it difficult to think there's any way that shooting an unarmed teenager is in any way part of the job description of a police officer. I mean, maybe in North Korea, but on the middle of the US.
Often times I internally bounce around different perspectives when I'm thinking about controversial topics of people having differing opinions, and usually I have no problem seeing things from another person's perspective even when I don't agree with it ultimately. But in terms of support for Wilson I really fail to see any perspective that isn't A) outright ignorant of the undertones of this controversy or B) just a thin veil to express that person's inner racism.
The other reason I'm seeing is that he's a police officer who risks his life every day and was just doing his job. This one's naturally far weaker, because an officer isn't risking his life by being in the presence of an unarmed teenager. I'm finding it hard to think of any way in which he would be placed in harm's way in that scenario. I'm also finding it difficult to think there's any way that shooting an unarmed teenager is in any way part of the job description of a police officer. I mean, maybe in North Korea, but on the middle of the US.
Often times I internally bounce around different perspectives when I'm thinking about controversial topics of people having differing opinions, and usually I have no problem seeing things from another person's perspective even when I don't agree with it ultimately. But in terms of support for Wilson I really fail to see any perspective that isn't A) outright ignorant of the undertones of this controversy or B) just a thin veil to express that person's inner racism.
CountBlack
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Become a millionaire for killing a black person brehs.
What's the segment he's talking about at the end?
Angelus Errare
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So basically...how America was founded.
Rastafarian42
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Well actually putting us in the slavery but basically yeah. =/
Federal Lawsuit Seeks $40 Million in Damages From Ferguson Area Police
I hope this kicks those tricks in the dicks.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/28/justice/ferguson-police-lawsuit/index.html
I hope this kicks those tricks in the dicks.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/28/justice/ferguson-police-lawsuit/index.html
Anonymous idiots who think their 'jokes' are edgy behind a screen but would never look you in the eye and utter such nonsense if they were ever face to face.
The interesting thing is on the actual Vice website comments section it's pretty different maybe because people have their FB accounts linked to that things are a lot more cordial.
almost up to 450k
...I'm not sure if I can deal with this world anymore
... If people can relocate... do it. Don't hang around the madness.
CountBlack
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This the country y'all have so much pride in?almost up to 450k
...I'm not sure if I can deal with this world anymore
Less and less every day.
Zimmerman got similar (if not more) in donations, so this don't surprise me. If Officer Wilson is found guilty, that money will go directly to the Brown family (via the civil suit that will soon follow).
Even if they win the suit, doubt they get the money. Ferguson isn't going to come up with $40mil.
All that military police equipment easily costs was more than 40 million.
well it's only half a million. see? racism in America can't be that bad.
Bill O'Reilly, ever the unbiased voice of reason, states that rap music probably drove Brown to kill police.
Should have stopped listening to all that hippddy hop music then. smh
Should have stopped listening to all that hippddy hop music then. smh
CrazyIvan1978
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It might have cost significantly less, probably a few dozen thousands, because it was heavily subsidized by the federal government.
http://www.dps.mo.gov/dir/programs/cjle/dod.asp
Mammoth Jones
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Why do people like Bill shit on Rap but at the same time celebrate The Godfather, The Sopranos, Breaking Bad....etc.
Gangstament isn't endemic to rap music....
BronsonLee
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But that wouldn't fit his narrative!
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