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[Easy_D]

The New 3DS that's what.



I'm questioning how much you remember of the game myself, it might have had some bad faces but never that bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxa0ik_Icj4

It's like Shulk woke up and decided to smear on some extra vaseline for that added bit of protection against the Mechon.

The footage on the right side certainly looks captured from a Wii.

Nope.

Like I've said multiple times, if this was the 3DS' successor I'd have no problems with it.

Just wait then. If past systems are anything to go by, the next REAL successor will include all the improvements of the previos system revision. Like how 3DS had all the goodies of the DSi. Or the GBA playing Gameboy Color games.

 

[dhlt25]

the wii game always look bad up close even on dolphin. The character model in particular.

 

[Caffeine]

NEW NINTENDO 3DS - way more powerful than the old one. Trust Nintendo, an amazing looking game like this won't run on the old 3ds :^)

that pop in and pop out holy shit lmao

 

[Easy_D]

the wii game always look bad up close even on dolphin. The character model in particular.

Yeah, character textures have always looked like shit. The world looks great though, the only big difference I can see so far is the framerate.

 

[Pikma]

It's incredible to think that we basically had to beg to get Xenoblade in NA, and now there's so much Xenogoodness surrounding us it's ridiculous

Spoiler

ly good

 

[TunaLover]

I couldn`t judge the power of the sytem for just one game, it was clearly optimized to run on Wii.

 

[Stimpack]

Based purely on your reaction, you certainly seemed to be.

DS -> DSi is the best example anyone could provide for this sort of thing. Your 3DS games will continue to work on your 3DS; as will future 3DS games. However, 'New 3DS' games will only work on a 'New 3DS'. Whether it happens to be a game you actually like or not is beyond irrelevant.

If it's beyond irrelevant, then why would you even bother addressing it in the first place? This "New 3DS" business is really ridiculous.

 

[sörine]

I think the nicest thing about this is that it really shows that Nintendo's serious about pushing the Xenoblade series. Previously only Mario or Zelda ports were really used to introduce new handhelds, and franchises of that stature are good company for Xenoblade to find itself with.

 

[EulaCapra]

I'm glad Nintendo is really trusting and pushing the Xenoblade name more now and it gives the chance for others to experience it...

...but I think at the very least we would've expected a Wii U remaster.

 

[qko]

NEW NINTENDO 3DS - way more powerful than the old one. Trust Nintendo, an amazing looking game like this won't run on the old 3ds :^)

People are being unfair to compare a console game to a handheld game. I'm guessing this is where the divide happens of whether you like handheld gaming or not. People must really forget how handheld ports looked, and played inferior to their console brethren back in the day, but were still fun to play if you could look past the idea that "console version looked better".

I know Borderlands on Vita and Bioshock on iOS look graphically uglier that their console counterparts, but if I had never played the game and I owned those systems, I'm sure I'd be having fun playing these "inferior ports"

 

[wrowa]

I couldn`t judge the power of the sytem for just one game, it was clearly optimized to run on Wii.

Well, it was Nintendo that picked Xenoblade as a showcase for the power of the New 3DS. Can't really blame people for basing their opinions on what Nintendo has shown.

 

[Pro from Dover]

Even if you're okay with what Nintendo is doing, are you really incapable of understanding why people would be upset? Also "The New 3DS" is a revision. A revision!

What it says to me is that they didn't want to bother taking the time/money to invest into a new console. So instead they're trying to force people into double-dipping on the same old thing.

I do understand and, you know, kawaisou.
If that is what you hear, I understand. But of course they are bothering to take the time/money to invest into a new console, they always are. This tell me that they are doing that AND taking the time/money for a revision. A revision! As a fellow said earlier, this is a stop gap.
"Force" is a strong word if even correct. "Persuade" for sure. Unless Xenoblade has that strong of a gravity well, then ok.

 

[Nostremitus]

The New 3DS that's what.



I'm questioning how much you remember of the game myself, it might have had some bad faces but never that bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxa0ik_Icj4

It's like Shulk woke up and decided to smear on some extra vaseline for that added bit of protection against the Mechon.

How about watching the exact moment that GIF is showing on the Wii version as linked to below... I booted my game in the Wii U and have to say the 3DS version actually looks better from what I can tell.

Now that you mention it (video evidence, playlist and related videos probably fulla spoilers). I can't unsee the vanishing grass

People forget the Wii game looks like this when you're playing... (Please excuse the off screen shots, but the Wii mode doesn't let you take screengrabs.)

 

[TunaLover]

Well, it was Nintendo that picked Xenoblade as a showcase for the power of the New 3DS. Can't really blame people for basing their opinions on what Nintendo has shown.

I agree, just pointing out the architecture differences in both system at the moment to run the same code.

 

[Stimpack]

I do understand and, you know, kawaisou.
If that is what you hear, I understand. But of course they are bothering to take the time/money to invest into a new console, they always are. This tell me that they are doing that AND taking the time/money for a revision. A revision! As a fellow said earlier, this is a stop gap.
"Force" is a strong word if even correct. "Persuade" for sure. Unless Xenoblade has that strong of a gravity well, then ok.

No idea what "kawaisou" means, but you came across as a bit of a jerk, so a bit of understanding helps. Telling people "tough shit, you should have expected it" isn't a great way to respond. There's really nothing more to discuss here. Some people are alright with the new revision, and some aren't. I'm not. Hopefully this is a stop gap, as you've said.

 

[TunaLover]

How about watching the exact moment that GIF is showing on the Wii version as linked to below... I booted my game in the Wii U and have to say the 3DS version actually looks better from what I can tell.

Pixel density doesn't help on bigger displays?

 

[DNAbro]

I don't even know what this means, but whatever. Eat up whatever Nintendo feeds you. I don't care.

Um what about future titles? Gee it's so great that I may have to miss out on 3ds games or certain features just because I don't have the right 3ds. Sure is a nice feeling for a console owner to have.

This game can't run on the OG 3DS. That is why it's for the new one. You think Nintendo would cut out all those sales from the OG if they didn't have to?

 

[Pro from Dover]

No idea what "kawaisou" means, but you came across as a bit of a jerk, so a bit of understanding helps. Telling people "tough shit, you should have expected it" isn't a great way to respond. There's really nothing more to discuss here. Some people are alright with the new revision, and some aren't. I'm not. Hopefully this is a stop gap, as you've said.

That probably was jerky. For that I apologize.

 

[Glass Rebel]

I'll reserve judgement of the game until we see direct feed footage of the finished code but Nintendo really handled this reveal in the worst way possible. I'm still going to upgrade from my XL for MonHun but I wasn't impressed.

 

[Nostremitus]

Pixel density doesn't help on bigger displays?

No... blowing a low res image up on a large higher resolution screen always looks worse. My point was that the game looks the same, if not slightly better than the Wii version and being on the smaller screen only helps.

 

[nvrndr]

I think the nicest thing about this is that it really shows that Nintendo's serious about pushing the Xenoblade series. Previously only Mario or Zelda ports were really used to introduce new handhelds, and franchises of that stature are good company for Xenoblade to find itself with.

Exactly. Who would have thought that the first title announced for a new/revised system would be Xenoblade? It usually goes to Mario or Zelda, so this announcement shows Nintendo is definitely wanting to push this franchise forward.

 

[GreatestHits]

I bet original 3ds owners are salty.

PLUS i just bought a wii + xenoblade. Wow

 

[Give War A Chance]

Um what about future titles? Gee it's so great that I may have to miss out on 3ds games or certain features just because I don't have the right 3ds. Sure is a nice feeling for a console owner to have.

But isn't that kind of incorrect?

You're not missing 3DS games... you're missing a different machine's games, that happens to be compatible with DS and 3DS. If they were 3DS games, then they would work on all 3DS systems...

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post though. I can understand being a little miffed about having to buy a new piece of hardware, but that's kind of the hobby we picked, right?

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

NEW NINTENDO 3DS - way more powerful than the old one. Trust Nintendo, an amazing looking game like this won't run on the old 3ds :^)

Realize sacrifices had to be made on your small 3 man party to make a massive world full of creatures, terrain, and some unexpected surprises, for you to explore.

 

[GreatestHits]

But isn't that kind of incorrect?

You're not missing 3DS games... you're missing a different machine's games, that happens to be compatible with DS and 3DS. If they were 3DS games, then they would work on all 3DS systems...

3DS development used to be focused all on one beautiful console. Now if you own that console, you aren't getting to play their most exciting titles anymore. Their devs are now putting their blood sweat and tears into another system. It's shitty

Honestly it's hard to be mad at happenstance. What this seems to be is either a reluctance for nintendo to go all-in on this type of hardware offering back when 3DS XL launched, or an incredible short sightedness married with big internal structure changes

 

[Mory Dunz]

This game isn't for GAF members imo.

It's for all the Wii U/3DS owners who have no idea what Xenoblade is. So put Shulk in Smash, and put Xenoblade on Nintendo's only popular system atm. Then follow it up with X.
(Anyone on GAF can just get the Wii version...)

People were complaining that all those new IPs from the DS/Wii era weren't made into franchises. Well, here is how they're doing it.

 

[MagiusNecros]

IMO the "New" 3DS offers a lot of improvements I wouldn't want to pass up on. Only question I have is how would you go about transferring all your old content into the New 3DS itself.

I believe New Xenoblade is still a WIP. Was a release date given?

 

[DNAbro]

IMO the "New" 3DS offers a lot of improvements I wouldn't want to pass up on. Only question I have is how would you go about transferring all your old content into the New 3DS itself.

I believe New Xenoblade is still a WIP. Was a release date given?

the same way you do it now. Just do a system transfer.

 

[ugoo18]

No... blowing a low res image up on a large higher resolution screen always looks worse.

Not exactly sure what that's supposed to show considering that people earlier in this topic said it's unfair to judge the 3DS game by a screen capture of the Youtube video rather than a direct feed screenshot.

There's ample footage of the Wii version and direct feed screens floating around as well. The footage released by Nintendo of the 3DS version looks like a clear step down. If i had frame capture devices for my Wii or WiiU i'd gladly get direct feed screens of the Wii version.

The disagreement at least for me isn't which version looks better (The Wii version clearly looks the better of the two to me) it's the entire idea of the release.

 

[random25]

PLUS i just bought a wii + xenoblade. Wow

Well you're playing it at a bigger screen using a better controller. You're not really missing out.

 

[Give War A Chance]

3DS development used to be focused all on one beautiful console. Now if you own that console, you aren't getting to play their most exciting titles anymore. Their devs are now putting their blood sweat and tears into another system. It's shitty

Well, I think it's a real leap to say that they're putting their most exciting titles on the New 3DS, currently anyway.

They have only announced a downgraded port of a Wii game to the system... I mean, we've kind of seen this before with the DSi, I feel like.

It's a really strange idea for Nintendo... because if they release AMAZING GAME X on the N3DS... it's going to miss a boatload of potential sales because the install base is 3DS, and I think a lot of people aren't going to want to buy an iPhone 5S-style revision... but what the hell do I know... I'm no expert (clearly), haha.

I think we're going to see a ton more 3DS games and a few N3DS-only games... and probably a few of those few will actually be really great.

 

[GreatestHits]

Well you're playing it at a bigger screen using a better controller. You're not really missing out.

I hear you, but to me, this is a perfect handheld game :-/. I am happy about the game getting fleshed out, but my wallet isn't

I get what your saying but...
New camera supposedly tracks your eyes to keep the 3D effect. Not Shitty


But... you can keep old system where you don't use one of the main features anyway, or trade it in to get new improved features and enhancements that make it better and open the library a bit.

Yeah I am overreacting a little bit. It's a bittersweet thing. But new hardware + new software, cry me a fucking river, the good outweighs the bad

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

3DS development used to be focused all on one beautiful console. Now if you own that console, you aren't getting to play their most exciting titles anymore. Their devs are now putting their blood sweat and tears into another system. It's shitty

I get what your saying but...
New camera supposedly tracks your eyes to keep the 3D effect. Not Shitty


But... you can keep old system where you don't use one of the main features anyway, or trade it in to get new improved features and enhancements that make it better and open the library a bit.

 

[Nostremitus]

Not exactly sure what that's supposed to show considering that people earlier in this topic said it's unfair to judge the 3DS game by a screen capture of the Youtube video.

There's ample footage of the Wii version and direct feed screens floating around as well. The footage released by Nintendo of the 3DS version looks like a clear step down. If i had frame capture devices for my Wii or WiiU i'd gladly get direct feed screens of the Wii version.

Did you watch the exact scene from the video linked earlier running on Wii? It had the same framerate hits as the ship was flying overhead, the same grass popping in and out, and the same bad faces. There are a lot of direct feed Dolphin videos and shots on the internet, don't confuse those for what the game actually looked like on the Wii. I have the game, I know exactly what it looks like on the Wii and the 3DS video shown doesn't look like the huge step down people on here are claiming. The game has always looked like shit.

 

[MagiusNecros]

the same way you do it now. Just do a system transfer.

Sweet. Awesome. Now to wait for a date and price point.

 

[Astral Dog]

I love Xenoblade,but i already played the Wii versión, its nice that its portable,but they should have waited for the 3DS true succes or reléase an HD versión too,imo.
Kinda hoping/expecting that the new DS games are only ports

 

[Peltz]

I'm kind of shocked at all the saltiness in this thread. I own two 3DS systems and will probably pick up this one if the 3D effect is truly improved over previous models. A better CPU for Xenoblade, and 2nd analogue nub without an attachment is merely icing on the cake.

The fact that Xenoblade is getting some spotlight is also very much welcomed in my mind.

 

[zruben]

this thread has turned in one of the worst I've ever read in neogaf.

 

[Pikma]

So what if it doesn't look as good as on Wii? The ability to have Xenoblade on the go means a lot more to me as a consumer than graphical parity.

It's fucking Xenoblade, one of the best RPGs of recent years, on a handheld!

 

[Peltz]

So what if it doesn't look as good as on Wii? The ability to have Xenoblade on the go means a lot more to me as a consumer than graphical parity.

Agreed. The game feels made for a handheld.

 

[random25]

I hear you, but to me, this is a perfect handheld game :-/. I am happy about the game getting fleshed out, but my wallet isn't

Well it's a game I'll call perfect for both handheld and home consoles. There's also the option of selling

 

[ugoo18]

Did you watch the exact scene from the video linked earlier running on Wii? It had the same framerate hits as the ship was flying overhead, the same grass popping in and out, and the same bad faces. There are a lot of direct feed Dolphin videos and shots on the internet, don't confuse those for what the game actually looked like on the Wii.

I know what Xenoblade looks like, i have Xenoblade and have played Xenoblade. I also have played Xenoblade via Dolphin.

http://www.nintendo-insider.com/201...xenoblade-chronicles-screenshots-and-artwork/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKgMkAJeszc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Xc6in86rs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ2-Qu7ngts

Those are clearly not Dolphin shots.

The framerate for the 3DS version was noticeably worse than the Wii version, that's not even been a debatable thing in this. There is a clear slowdown during the mechon battle on the 3DS vs Wii video i linked. Not to mention the clear smudged look of the 3DS version.

 

[johnbone]

I'm kind of shocked at all the saltiness in this thread. I own two 3DS systems and will probably pick up this one if the 3D effect is truly improved over previous models. A better CPU for Xenoblade, and 2nd analogue nub without an attachment is merely icing on the cake.

The fact that Xenoblade is getting some spotlight is also very much welcomed in my mind.

It's just GAF being GAF.
If anybody actually paid attention to their Nintendo history, this small upgrade to their portable device with a few exclusives is entirely predictable. It's a strategy Nintendo has used successfully for 15+ years now!

 

[Nostremitus]

I know what Xenoblade looks like, i have Xenoblade and have played Xenoblade. I also have played Xenoblade via Dolphin.

http://www.nintendo-insider.com/201...xenoblade-chronicles-screenshots-and-artwork/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKgMkAJeszc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Xc6in86rs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ2-Qu7ngts

Those are clearly not Dolphin shots.

...and they clearly don't look any better than the 3DS video, especially when you factor in the screen size. Did you watch the videos you just posted? All the pop-in and framerate drops? Not to mention that you're comparing a released game to one still being finalized...

 

[Neo Child]

im down for this, especially if it's not as uber bux rare

 

[mankoto]

This image has been sitting in my 3DS SD Card since the middle of 2011. Since then it's been a dream of mine to play it on my 3DS. Sadly, it isn't the one I have now, but I'll get it regardless.

Open this up on your 3DS and bask in its 3D enabled glory.

 

[GreatestHits]

Well it's a game I'll call perfect for both handheld and home consoles. There's also the option of selling

Agreed. And yes I should sell now.

Thanks all you happy folks I'm gonna stay positive and quit crying about the fact that I've purchased three 3DS XL's in 12 months!

 

[DNAbro]

I know what Xenoblade looks like, i have Xenoblade and have played Xenoblade. I also have played Xenoblade via Dolphin.

http://www.nintendo-insider.com/201...xenoblade-chronicles-screenshots-and-artwork/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKgMkAJeszc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Xc6in86rs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ2-Qu7ngts

Those are clearly not Dolphin shots.

The framerate for the 3DS version was noticeably worse than the Wii version, that's not even been a debatable thing in this. There is a clear slowdown during the mechon battle on the 3DS vs Wii video i linked. Not to mention the clear smudged look of the 3DS version.

Well it is still in development. It won't look as good but will hopefully be stable framerate when it releases.

 

[hitsugi]

this thread has turned in one of the worst I've ever read in neogaf.

People in general are just too angry these days.

 

[AniHawk]

wait wait wait

what did i miss

what is happening