Ray Rice (football player) cut by Baltimore Ravens, suspended indefinitely by NFL
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take a look for yourself
https://twitter.com/search?q=rice from:Ravens&src=typd
https://twitter.com/search?q=rice from:Ravens&src=typd
Saint Gregory
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Actually the NFL doesn't have guaranteed contracts. Athletes usually get to keep their signing bonus money if they get cut but in cases like these where the athlete did something detrimental which lead to getting themselves cut the team can sue to get their bonus money returned.
This is by far the worst. It had around 800 retweets this morning.
They were live tweeting the press conference with Ray Rice and his wife. In hindsight they probably should not have published that tweet, but this is something she actually said the conference, not some random message the Ravens sent out.
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Steelers vs. Ravens.
I don't know who to root against.
I don't know who to root against.
valkillmore
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This is by far the worst. It had around 800 retweets this morning.
just saw this. what the fuck
This is by far the worst. It had around 800 retweets this morning.
Wow never seen this before. Fucking HELL that's messed up, they really should have not chosen that to highlight from the press conference. Victimizing the victim, yet again.
I wish Janay would never have continued with this man, because very bad image for young girls
Timing with the Revel closing six days ago (the place that this happened). They'd probably have to vet everything.
Saint Gregory
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Only the team owners can remove him from his position by I believe a 3/4 vote but congress also has oversight since the league was granted an anti-trust exemption.
OK, this makes more sense then
As someone mentioned earlier, Janay Rice actually said those very words at the press conference. The Ravens were not speaking for her.
My understanding is the Ravens still get a Salary Cap hit. 4 million this year and 10 million next year. Where is that money going then?
entremet
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Interesting. Smart in terms of legal repercussion.
Not that the situations are remotely comparable, but he has gotten away with a cover-up before. He burned all the evidence of the Patriots' cheating when they were caught video taping opposing sidelines.
We can only hope that this situation blowing up so spectacularly is enough to get him fired.
CassidyIzABeast
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Yeah the official reason they gave him a 2 game suspension was based on his wife lobbying that she was just as much to blame, he's a changed man, and all that stuff during the meeting with Goodell.
Maidenpool?
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Nowhere. It's just punishment for cutting the guy.
Hey, don't let facts get in the way of out-of-context-tweet outrage.
Saint Gregory
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Not to the player. They're most like taking a penalty for the way they structured his contract. If it's a monetary penalty and not just an enforcement of the cap then the money would go back to the NFL.
I'd bet anything that the league will quietly give them an exception of the penalty so they can sign another big player.
arts&crafts
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Well he is suspended by the NFL which I presume means he doesn`t get paid (before he was cut even)
Like, it goes in the bank of the NFL and just sits there or what? Something has to happen to that money. I guess I need someone to explain it to me like I'm 5.
Diatribe1974
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While he will recover from this one incident of being a wife beating fucktard, once a wife beater, always the potential of being one. I never understood why someone who has so much financially at risk would risk everything on being a fucking douchebag.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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Good. Fucking ridiculous it took this long
PanicFreak
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That is money that was already given to Rice. Here is how it works: Team signs player for 100 million bucks (astronomic figures here). 40 million of which is a signing bonus. The team pays that money when they sign the contract. Instead of all of that money hitting the salary cap in that one year, the team can spread it out. Therefore, the team already paid him the 14 million (probably years ago) and had allocated 4 million to this year and 10 to next.
It's just a bunch of accounting talk. There are other things that affect those numbers but that's the gist of it.
Think of it as credit.
The NFL teams have something like $123 million to spend on players in a season.
Now that the Ravens aren't responsible for Rice's salary, that credit comes off the books.
However, the Ravens are not free to use that credit elsewhere.
They have Rice's money, but they can't spend it.
They shouldn't have tweeted it.
This helps me a little thanks, I just still think there is something that needs to be done. Someone above me just posted something about how Ray Rice is NOT entitled to his salary as a vested veteren because he was suspended. While that's all great and all, are you telling me if he was active and NOT suspended and then all this came out he would still get paid? If so, that is fucking disgusting and that needs to be changed stat.
PanicFreak
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What I'm saying is that he was already paid. A contract has an upfront payment, a salary related to each year, and roster bonuses. The 14 million on the books is for upfront payment money that was allocated to each year. He will not be receiving any part of his salary or any part of any roster bonuses that were stipulated in the contract.
If he was active, he would be receiving his salary payments and his roster bonuses.
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they shouldn't owe him any money, fuck that.
It won't change, ever.
Technically, he could try to get a job with the CFL, haha.
Unlike Josh Gordon, he isn't on a team right now. A CFL team could sign him.
Saint Gregory
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They don't and if they feel like it they can sue him to get a prorated portion of the bonus money back based on how many years of the contract he played.
This is actually the first thing I thought when I saw the topic title, LOL
NFL contracts are not guaranteed. I believe they are still on the hook for signing bonuses, but those can be recovered in cases like this.
Indeed. The hypocrisy is transparent.
See this is the part I guess I'm trying to get at. There needs to be some change in the NFL that states that if you are terminated for certain reasons (domestic abuse, rape, murder, etc.....) that you immediately forfeit all money regardless of the contract. If you are cut just because you suck and can't play anymore then yes, you should still get paid what's on your contract.
What this sounds like to me is that if Rice had not been suspended, and then this video shows up today and the Ravens cut him, he would still be entitled to his 2014 Salary. And that is absolutely disgusting if that is the case.
Bo Knows GAF
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That's what makes this interesting. The video gave the NFL a chance to correct itself for only hitting him with the two game suspension. The commish even said he had dropped the ball on the issue. It kind of grandfathered him into the new rule by bringing the public new evidence of the abuse. However, the video is SO incriminating that they almost have no choice but to inflict a very, very harsh punishment just to save face from the entire situation. This way they can look back and say, "See! See! We did the right thing."
samus i am
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Yep. Pretty sickening.
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Let's take this to it's logical conclusion and nuke the entire AFC North just to be sure.
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