Australian raids twarted ISIS beheading plot, wow.

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BowieZ

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AShep said:
I'm glad you two are keeping the bastards honest while the rest of us sheeple continue to let the government pull the wool over our eyes amirite?
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I could say something equally sardonic about you and your stance. Where does that get us?
 
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Nivash

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Color me skeptical too. Don't get me wrong, it's not a conspiracy and I don't believe for a second that the Australian government had much to do with it. It's just that there have been so many arrests of people for preparing terror attacks all over the world after 9/11 and so few actual convictions that I take arrests like these with a grain of salt until it gets to trial.

I'm sure there is substance to it. Again, don't get me wrong. I'm not accusing the Australian police of making this up out of whole cloth.

My question is simply this: was this an honest case of a terror cell with proven links to ISIS with members having a well-prepared plan that was ready to go? Or was it a case of the islamist versions of neo-nazi asshats who get swastika tattoos and post on Facebook about how they should burn the local synagogue, but are actually all talk when it comes to it? The fact that they've already released 9 out of 15 of those who were arrested just fuels my skepticism further.

It's perfectly possible that what the Australian police say is true to the letter. I'd just hold off jumping on the train to Terrorville until we have more information.
 
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Hoya Destroyer said:
Scary stuff. I cant help but feel its just a matter of time before something horrible happens here in Australia.
Some angry Muslims protested earlier tonight about the raids...

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...-unjust-policing/story-fnj3rq0y-1227062988666

..yeah :(
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Screw 'em.

This isn't the type of stuff you tiptoe around, especially if you have real information. Don't hate the government, hate the barbaric extremists that are giving Muslims a bad name. If anything they should be more adamant for the world to put a stop to them. The worse things get, the worse name they are going to give Muslims around the world. That is horrible, awful, and I hate it but that is what is going to happen unless the world stops them.

Wasn't there a major report a short while back of an Australian in Iraq or Syria and they had their little 8 year old kid or younger in a bunch of pictures where they had been beheading people, and had pictures of the little kid either doing it as well and/or holding the decapitated head after the fact?

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This (other information as well about Australian citizens)...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/12/world/asia/australia-boy-severed-head-syria/index.html
 
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Bisnic

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I thought those ISIS terrorists were only in the Middle-East. That's a bit scary to think about crazies beheading random people in developped countries.
 
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Bisnic said:
I thought those ISIS terrorists were only in the Middle-East. That's a bit scary to think about crazies beheading random people in developped countries.
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ISIS followers are from all over the globe, and not all of them made it to the Middle East to join the fight.
 
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Hoya Destroyer said:
Scary stuff. I cant help but feel its just a matter of time before something horrible happens here in Australia.
Some angry Muslims protested earlier tonight about the raids...

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...-unjust-policing/story-fnj3rq0y-1227062988666

..yeah :(
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All I have to say about that is "fuck them."

They had that case a while back about the women who was asked to identify herself over a traffic stop but refused to be identified because she wouldnt remove her hijab. In court they couldnt fine her because they couldnt be sure it was actually her, in the end it resulting in a group of supporters running round like dickheads because it was a victory for the Muslim community.

If its so terrible here, please, fuck off.

We already have a number of idiots who unsurprisingly, wont show their faces whom are posing with the ISIS flag at mosques bragging about this dumb shit. Not to mention the Australian guy that took his entire family to Syria and had his sons (younger than 10) posing in front of the heads of decaptitated men while carrying AK's.
 
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Worth a read - it's important for people to keep in mind that the majority of Muslims are peaceful people, and to not let anti-Muslim sentiment rise:

I worked as a police officer with Scotland Yard for about 30 years, including as the head of international counter-terrorism intelligence at New Scotland Yard. Then I came to Australia in 2003 as the UK’s regional counter-terrorism liaison officer, and more recently joined Charles Sturt University. While I was at Scotland Yard, we had a unit that specifically dealt with Muslim community and worked on building that relationship.

But we found that the most effective form of good policing happened at an individual community level: having police officers on the ground, at local stations, involved with and knowing the Islamic community, and making sure that senior members of those community knew that should anything happen – such as an attack on a mosque – that the police would take that seriously.

It’s very important to remember, whether here in Australia or overseas – it’s only a tiny minority of the Muslim community that are ever involved in any kind of extreme action. The vast majority are decent, ordinary people, who shouldn’t be attacked, and who should feel as respected and protected as any other member of the community.

To non-Muslim Australians, I’d say that if they have a mosque or an Islamic centre in their area, they can help guard against potential backlash by keeping an eye out for their neighbours. If they see someone who looks like they might be doing the wrong thing [such as recent reports of anti-Muslim leaflets and pig bodies left at a Logan mosque, south of Brisbane], instead of ignoring it, they should get on the phone and tell the police.

And it’s really important for police to protect the Islamic community. If they don’t, there’s a risk that people will feel isolated and that’s not in Australia’s best interests.

As for Islamic State, if they or their sympathisers can arrange a situation where we see parts of the Australian community pitted against each other, then that’s exactly what they want. That’s the kind of situation that breeds more sympathy for their cause, so that disenchanted young people end up either going overseas or else taking actions in their own countries.
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https://theconversation.com/islamic-state-wants-australians-to-attack-muslims-terror-expert-31845
 
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Seriously, even imagining beheading a person, let alone some random person I don't know nothing about just because some religious leader across the world told me to is impossible to wrap my head around.

How do you even get to that mindset? You just have to be all kinds of fucked up.

I can somewhat imagine if you're completely brainwashed one on one by a radical Iman that you'd be able to accomplish an act like that, but in a different country, where life is inherently good, where you have the security of a job/money/social safety? How do you get from that to "I must brutally kill you in the worst way imaginable because you don't believe in what I believe in"? How does that happen?
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Because they are outcasts.

They don't fit in.
 
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Nivash

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Xcellere said:
ISIS followers are from all over the globe, and not all of them made it to the Middle East to join the fight.
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It should however be pointed out that ISIS is very similar to Anonymous. There isn't an initiation process or an official membership card, all you have to do is voice support and/or conduct Islamist terror acts while flying their banner and boom, you're now a member. Outside of their military units in Iraq and Syria ISIS is an idea more than an organization like say Al-Qaida that has a chain of command and actual resources to distribute to its operatives.

That's the difference. ISIS does not pose the same type of threat as Al-Qaida, it doesn't recruit you into an organization - it recruits you to an ideology. That doesn't mean that it's a smaller threat, however. You can kill Al-Qaida officers and track down their operatives because they have to communicate. You can't kill an idea, and new ISIS members will pop up spontaneously with no way of predicting who's next. On the flipside, those members will be disorganized, ill-equipped and unskilled and that will limit them to simpler acts.
 
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Nivash said:
It should however be pointed out that ISIS is very similar to Anonymous. There isn't an initiation process or an official membership card, all you have to do is voice support and/or conduct Islamist terror acts while flying their banner and boom, you're now a member. Outside of their military units in Iraq and Syria ISIS is an idea more than an organization like say Al-Qaida that has a chain of command and actual resources to distribute to its operatives.

That's the difference. ISIS does not pose the same type of threat as Al-Qaida, it doesn't recruit you into an organization - it recruits you to an ideology. That doesn't mean that it's a smaller threat, however. You can kill Al-Qaida officers and track down their operatives because they have to communicate. You can't kill an idea, and new ISIS members will pop up spontaneously with no way of predicting who's next. On the flipside, those members will be disorganized, ill-equipped and unskilled and that will limit them to simpler acts.
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Unfortunately these simpler acts include random domestic terrorism with or without beheadings. What a shitty situation.
 
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Hoya Destroyer said:
Scary stuff. I cant help but feel its just a matter of time before something horrible happens here in Australia.
Some angry Muslims protested earlier tonight about the raids...

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...-unjust-policing/story-fnj3rq0y-1227062988666

..yeah :(
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oh my the quotes. the quotes


“Tony Abbott doesn’t have a creative mind, we know that ..”
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“They tried to take the blanket off my mother...Pigs came and tried to take it off my mother as she was dressed like any woman would dress for her husband.”
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“They didn’t knock - At least have some respect ...they came in breaking the door and wanted to see (my mother) half naked”
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Freakinchair said:
Unfortunately these simpler acts include random domestic terrorism with or without beheadings. What a shitty situation.
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Unfortunately, yes. Hence my point: ISIS isn't the same as Al-Qaida, but that doesn't mean that they are less of a threat. It's basically a quantity vs quality situation. When Al-Qaida pulls off a 9/11 they kill more people than ISIS can in decades and change the world order, but there are no guarantees that they actually can pull it off. ISIS has a much higher chance of repeatedly pulling off attacks but the impact will be a heightened local sense of fear and ethnic tensions rather than something global.
 
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What the fuck is going on? This just from Norway. A bunch of losers.

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http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/terrorisme/fryktet-drap-paa-tilfeldig-familie/a/23298611/

The extremists planned to enter the house of a random family and kill the residents while recording footage. Another option was to cause casualties in public via stabbings.
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Nivash said:
It should however be pointed out that ISIS is very similar to Anonymous. There isn't an initiation process or an official membership card, all you have to do is voice support and/or conduct Islamist terror acts while flying their banner and boom, you're now a member. Outside of their military units in Iraq and Syria ISIS is an idea more than an organization like say Al-Qaida that has a chain of command and actual resources to distribute to its operatives.

That's the difference. ISIS does not pose the same type of threat as Al-Qaida, it doesn't recruit you into an organization - it recruits you to an ideology. That doesn't mean that it's a smaller threat, however. You can kill Al-Qaida officers and track down their operatives because they have to communicate. You can't kill an idea, and new ISIS members will pop up spontaneously with no way of predicting who's next. On the flipside, those members will be disorganized, ill-equipped and unskilled and that will limit them to simpler acts.
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Yeah if anything this just makes them much more of a threat than Al-Qaeda, which they sort of grew out of. Their growing numbers are insanely huge compared to terrorist organizations of the past. AQI was at a couple thousand by the end of the Bush Administration and it's probably hit 6 figures, most of that in the last 24 months. Crazy. And the inner circle is just as organized and crazy as Al-Qaeda ever was. They've pulled off attacks not as notable as September 11th but still as much destruction.
 
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Coins

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Didn't ISIS say they would be in other countries in a month and in the US in two months? I'm pretty sure they made that promise like 3 weeks ago.

Pretty scary.
 
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Downhome

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Coins said:
Didn't ISIS say they would be in other countries in a month and in the US in two months? I'm pretty sure they made that promise like 3 weeks ago.

Pretty scary.
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Yep.

I wish we knew more about the inner workings of the group. Other than the VICE vids, what are some great videos to really learn more about what we're facing here?
 
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Downhome said:
Has this been posted yet? I don't know if it's new thread worthy, or belongs in the other ISIS threads, so I'll just stick it here...

http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/18/isis-releases-new-video-of-british-hostage-4873820/

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x267gbf_john-cantlie-lend-me-your-ears_news
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The Metro said:
I know what you’re thinking. You’re thinking ‘he’s only doing this because he’s a prisoner – he’s got a gun at his head and he’s being forced to do this,” he says.
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Indeed. I'm thinking that now, and I'll still be thinking that afterwards. Because that's what is actually happening.
 
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SmokyDave said:
Indeed. I'm thinking that now, and I'll still be thinking that afterwards. Because that's what is actually happening.
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What they are going to do is have him present a series of videos, and once he has completed the job they will do yet another beheading video. I think this is even more disgusting that even the previous videos, just because of how they will build it up.
 
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"(...) Another option was to cause casualties in public via stabbings."
I can't help but laugh at that bullshit plan. It's like the first round of Counter-Strike where you couldn't afford any good weapons, so you just jumped around like an asshole with the knife and no armor.
EDIT: Sorry if that sounds macabre or insensitive. I don't mean to make light of it; it just seems so ... analogue.
 
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Terra

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Man...great that someone clears up those crazy heads. I am a pretty pacifist guy, but I would be first in line to protect our democratic society from people with this ideology.
 
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jackrubyn said:
"(...) Another option was to cause casualties in public via stabbings."
I can't help but laugh at that bullshit plan. It's like the first round of Counter-Strike where you couldn't afford any good weapons, so you just jumped around like an asshole with the knife and no armor.
EDIT: Sorry if that sounds macabre or insensitive. I don't mean to make light of it; it just seems so ... analogue.
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Well except for the recent attack along those lines at a train station in Western China which killed 20-30 people. A TEAM of nutjobs with knives = bad.
 
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When they act out like this so quickly they risk losing too many members in other countries. There are only so many people that can believe in such hogwash and seeing them get exposed like this(especially because all their plans are so stupidly barbaric and simple-minded) makes their cause look pathetic(well, even more pathetic).
 
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As a morbid curiosity, I wonder which would be a more effective means of spreading terror. Killing a group of people in a big city, or in a small town. In a big city, there would definitely be a "They could be anyone" kind of hysteria whereas if it happened in a small town it would lead to "It could happen anywhere" hysteria.
 
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Thanks.

I personally expect the evidence to be weak. And acted upon aggressively for the sake of show... but I hope to be proven wrong (so to speak).
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I don't think there's anything political about this. The security services are paranoid and paid to be paranoid and so they will naturally overreach sometimes and in the very recent past they've made some large errors doing so. (Dr Haneef, anyone?) They're supposed to err on that side of things, and they're also supposed to be reigned in by a representative government. We'll see how serious this plot was in court hopefully.
 
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the criminals should be executed
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Woah now, this a civilised country with a body of laws. Should they be found guilty in court, I'm sure a lengthy imprisonment should suffice in terms of justice.

One of the raids took place right around the corner to where I used to live (there were raids in Brisbane too, I expect due to the upcoming G20 meeting). I must have driven past that house hundreds of times. I'd be very interested in seeing just what was going on in there.

I have a few concerns about this, quite apart from the possibility of getting stabbed, beheaded or worse by someone who lives in my neighbourhood.

The first is that because no attacks were actually carried out, it might be difficult to charge them with any actual crime, especially the lower-level guys where it may not be possible to prove intent. A dude collecting knives in his house is very suspicious, frightening even, but not illegal. Some of these guys, despite every intention of carrying out murders in public, may have to walk free.

The second is whether this was an overreaction by federal police to a non-threat. I'm less concerned about this as it'll all shake out in court, but it will mean some very angry young Muslims will be feeling rather marginalised and persecuted if it all turns out to be nothing.

The third is the Australian public and the political class's reaction to this. Stuff like this is always followed by calls to crack down and be tough, the temptation being to restrict civil liberties in the name of making us safer. Foreign policy wise, we're at the US's beck and call (in the event of a real war on Australian soil, we're pretty much doomed without American help) and I'd hate to see us goose-step our way toward becoming a police state.
 
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Ventrue

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800 police officers to charge just two suspects and people here are outraged at the suggestion that this is in any way being drummed up for political purposes.
 
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Dryk

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800 police officers descending on a community and only two people charged? Bad idea
Protesting about it in public the day after? Also a bad idea

Jesus christ
 
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Dreams-Visions

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Cool that they prevented these executions, but what was the justification for such a large force? 800 people is a lot of personnel.

I'd have to imagine large portions of several cities were relatively unguarded for a long period of time, no?
 
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