Incest "a fundamental right", says German Ethics Council
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Maninthemirror
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Fyi cousin marriage is not incest but sister/brother or step sister/brother marriage is
Cameron122
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step sister? I don't think that is incest. Maybe a tough family meeting.
Paper Sparrow
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Should have been a G/A/F thread. People would have guessed wrong. 
And no, just no. Incest = Bad
And no, just no. Incest = Bad
FreeMufasa
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This shit should be illegal. Cant believe its something that even has support.
btw. They're only talking about sex between siblings
What's your argument? Should people really be thrown into jail for it?Should have been a G/A/F thread. People would have guessed wrong.
And no, just no. Incest = Bad
If two grown adults even if they're be siblings want to have sex then you are in no position to tell them no.
BladeoftheImmortal
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I got nothing wrong with incest between adults. I do think if they want that relationship, however, that having children should be barred.
It's legally incest.
The family should be free from these sorts of relationships.
We are not stuck in zoos and there are plenty of mates out there.
While it would somewhat make sense, people who have genetic defects are also allowed to procreate, so it would seem unfair to block incest couples.
Lord Thrappleper The 49th
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Whilst I could never hope to understand how they are able to do these acts, I also believe that they aren't hurting anyone else. In fact they aren't even hurting themselves. If they are adults and consenting, nobody has a right to tell them to knock that shit off.
chaobreaker
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Yeah, I wouldn't want to bring children in this world if that comes with a high chance of them being disabled. I don't know why anyone else would, though. It just feels like one of the most selfish thing to do.
Let them fuck but don't let them make babies. That's my view on incest.
Let them fuck but don't let them make babies. That's my view on incest.
If there's no blood relation it's not incest. The law should not make you throw away your common sense like this.
Alligatorjandro
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Incestv is disgusting
Cameron122
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What if your mum gets married again when you're already 28 and your step father has a 26 year old daughter?
Is there a genetic reason why some folk drift towards incest? Westermarck effect says the brain goes "hell naw" to smanging if you grow up with somebody.
"Two of the couples children are disabled"
smh
Wow. Who bears the cost for the surgeries and a lifetime of care?
in this case it's genetic sexual attraction. In other cases it might just be a matter of one fucked up sibling abusing the power differential between siblings.
I don't believe that incestuous couples should be allowed to have children, but I guess there's nothing wrong with sibling incest being legalized.
It's nearly impossible for a parent-child relationship to be anything but abusive, though. Even in instances of adoption, that should never be legal.
It's nearly impossible for a parent-child relationship to be anything but abusive, though. Even in instances of adoption, that should never be legal.
Kitsunebaby
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In a vacuum, I have no moral opposition to incest. What two consenting adults do is none of my business.
In the real world, I worry about what kind of grooming or manipulation may have occurred whenever I hear about incestuous relationships. Not enough for me to feel it should be illegal, but still distasteful and something that shouldn't be encouraged.
In the real world, I worry about what kind of grooming or manipulation may have occurred whenever I hear about incestuous relationships. Not enough for me to feel it should be illegal, but still distasteful and something that shouldn't be encouraged.
Paper Sparrow
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I can't say knowingly passing on genetic defects is something I approve of.
I have no problem with the sex itself (Adults can do what they will).
AuthenticM
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I agree with everything in the OP.
So you can screw a child that you adopt the moment they turn 16?
He was talking about the step-brother/sister comment you made, not the strawman you just threw up.
IAmRandom31
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Well no shit. There is a reason incest is illegal outside of people wanting to ruin others GREAT TIME.
Unbelievable some people in here are all " these are adults let them do whatever ". Wtf is going on these days? You can't even take a stand against something known to cause serious disabilities to children? Grow a pair holy shit.
And of course we are talking about actual incest here. Not step sister type stuff.
shinobi602
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We know there are many disabilities that are genetic in nature. Would you forbid adults with different forms of disabilities from procreating as well?
Someone of us who said Incest okay, didn't say anything about Children.
If you're going to make the choice to have sex with your siblings, be it gay or straight sex then that is something one can do. I do however believe they should take precautions so a pregnancy can't happen.
John Kowalski
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I don't have any faith on their argument that sexual identity is more important that abstract concepts. Nor do i have any faith on their assessment that family protection is an abstract concept, especially in an age where we can quantify and palpably understand the concept relatively well. I don't think incest ought to be illegal, incest is obviously not a common occurrence and i'm sure it wouldn't be hard to control with other means of influence, but the right to sexual determination... i wouldn't say it is unalienable.
googleplex
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Hmm... My concern for the health and quality of life for any children born from incest. Is at war with my concern for personal responsibility and civil liberties.
On one had consenting adults should be able to do what the fuck they want.
On the other hand it's risky to have children with blood relations.
On one had consenting adults should be able to do what the fuck they want.
On the other hand it's risky to have children with blood relations.
SneakyStephan
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They should be allowed to live their lives together how they want to.
Having children is really shitty and irresponsible towards the children though... Set them up with a significantly higher chance for genetic diseases/defects/conditions.
That I can't justify morally at all.
If they wanted kids they could have just gotten a sperm or egg donor to avoid the whole inbreeding issue that doomed 3 of their kids. Just heartbreaking.
Having children is really shitty and irresponsible towards the children though... Set them up with a significantly higher chance for genetic diseases/defects/conditions.
That I can't justify morally at all.
If they wanted kids they could have just gotten a sperm or egg donor to avoid the whole inbreeding issue that doomed 3 of their kids. Just heartbreaking.
The high chance of disabled children really is a problem, but I can't think of other instances where the government would actually forbid people having children. And again, then they should also forbid people who have a high chance of passing on genetic defects to procreate.
It's super irresponsible of the parents to do, but I don't think they should be locked up for it.
What fucking bullshit. Two HEALTHY siblings with no genetic predispositions will have greater risk of children with abnormalities. We're not talking about people who have a condition they can't control still being able to have children. The morality of the relationship taken by itself, holds no concern to me, but the issue of their children is where my hackles get raised.
kinyou said:
But, a person with a high chance of passing genetic defects will suffer from this condition regardless of their partner. In this case, the chance of passing the defects is entirely because the choice of partner.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Yeah I find this interesting as well. People who are against incest solely for this reason seem to be saying that the government has a compelling interest in ensuring that certain folks don't procreate solely for the protection of the children. So why is that limited to just cases of incest?
I think incest is gross and disgusting but if two consenting adults want to have a relationship that isn't putting anybody else in harms way then I don't see the problem. If you do want to make the argument that the government has an interest in making sure these people don't have children then thats fine - but not every relationship is held with the intent (or even the possibility) of having children in the first place.
AuthenticM
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The problem with this line of thought is that you'd have to forbid people with genetic defects from reproducing. Should we prevent people afflicted with Ectrodactyly from having kids ? How about those with diabetes ?
Consensual incest is not popular enough to warrant the government coming in and criminalizing it to protect the gene pool.
Paper Sparrow
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I would actually support prevention of certain genetic defects being passed on. I say that as a person with a genetic defect who will probably never have kids because of it.
hey_it's_that_dog
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It's not that it has support, per se, it's that all of the arguments against it can be shown to be faulty or inconsistent with previously accepted principles.
The only argument against it that holds any water is the potential for genetically unhealthy children, but as the OP mentions, the government does not regulate other couples' reproduction on the basis of their genetic risks, so it would not make sense to do so for consenting adults who happen to be related.
It's an issue where every gut feeling we have says it's wrong so it can be difficult to even entertain the philosophical arguments about it.
HalfBakedProphet
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